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[Oni Jazar]

So I booted this up for the first time in months for the free space. Is there a way to autodownload all the areas at once? It would make sense as to not have to download everything if you want to go to a different area.

There will not be an option to download all areas at once. In a very short amount of time there will be enough spaces that you *don't* want to visit that would just waste bandwitdth. Think of Home as a 3D browser and think of someone asking, "hey can I download the internet all at once?"

Maybe at some point they would allow the user to queue up a number of spaces to download at once.

 

[Click]

err no, no it's not. have you even looked out one of the windows .... horrid.

the orig apartment is cool ..they should be pumping these things out every week. i mean jesus....is it a one man crew making these things now?

Actually, I think that free apartment they gave out a few months back was the best "personal space." It was big, nicely modeled, cool-looking, and came with a good amount of free furniture.

The most recent free space is terrible. To me, it looks like crap, is very small, isn't very interesting, and no free furniture. I mean, it's free, so whatever. But they could have put in a bit more effort or something.

 

[Oni Jazar]

If they would release a Blade Runner personal Home space (complete with BR soundtrack & sound effects) I would never leave.

 

[Wollan]

Whilst the moderation hurdles have been overcome our senior management (for better or worse!) are still reassessing their approach to user owned or generated content.

I lol'ed.
Thanks, for holding back finished work...

 

[Mr Jared]

So I booted this up for the first time in months for the free space. Is there a way to autodownload all the areas at once? It would make sense as to not have to download everything if you want to go to a different area.

How do I manage what I've "purchased?" I only have the Killzone2 clothes (amazon pre-order) and don't see anything like a downloaded list like in the psn store.

The best thing to do is go into the world map and queue up all the places you want to visit (set to "Download in Background") and then explore them as you go along. What I do on fresh installs is load up the Central Plaza, then set pretty much everything to download while I go to the Listen@Home area and dance and see what people are up to.

The lack of full-download seems weird at first, but Home keeps expanding, so creating all new clients nonstop each week to include the new stuff would probably be overkill.

When you enter the virtual stores, it shows what you have purchased. The other way is to go to you account management and go to services. In there it shows all your Home content you've bought over time. I supposed if you access Home from a different PS3, you'll have all the items from the get go and wont need to redownload anything.

And this is a pretty good explanation of how to manage stuff you've bought.

 

[gofreak]

It's very annoying that Home is subject to regional mangement 'input' like this.

These decisions should be global. Decision making on these things should be centralised and enforced.

Again, Sony giving too much say-so and control to too many different units rather than letting one group 'enforce' (for want of a better word) their vision and make it happen. Why all this committee-ing? Too many cooks most definitely spoil this broth.

I use the US version of Home but this grates with me badly.

 

[dfyb]

Home should be global anyway. i should be able to travel to japan home with my US avatar.

 

[kitch9]

Just give me game launching, from dedicated gamespaces for each game where I can meet like minded people with headsets and I would use Home constantly.

That should have been first IMO.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Home should be global anyway. i should be able to travel to japan home with my US avatar.

Well, you can, but the people who know how to do so are divulging their secrets on it. There is a video on YouTube about it, but it's complex to say the least, and people who have tried it say it doesn't work. It sucks that there are a select few sitting on a Goldmine in terms of sharing how to do region hop, especially when we are all a 'community'. All they do is go to Japan or EU and get all the good items, and then come to America and dance in mid-air and we're supposed to give them the attention they can't get in real life because they did some gypsy magic and region hopped. And then they act as if telling anyone is a cardinal sin, but they want to keep on shoving it in our faces that they got a Kimono or a Tornado hat. It's so flipping annoying. That's why whenever I see them, I just walk by like they don't matter.

 

[Ephemeris]

So let me get this straight... you have to pay real currency to attain certain things in Home? What the fuck?

. . .

This concept is new to you?

 

[dfyb]

Well, you can, but the people who know how to do so are divulging their secrets on it. There is a video on YouTube about it, but it's complex to say the least, and people who have tried it say it doesn't work. It sucks that there are a select few sitting on a Goldmine in terms of sharing how to do region hop, especially when we are all a 'community'. All they do is go to Japan or EU and get all the good items, and then come to America and dance in mid-air and we're supposed to give them the attention they can't get in real life because they did some gypsy magic and region hopped. And then they act as if telling anyone is a cardinal sin, but they want to keep on shoving it in our faces that they got a Kimono or a Tornado hat. It's so flipping annoying. That's why whenever I see them, I just walk by like they don't matter.

i'm fairly certain i know how they do it. haven't tried it yet though. i should be able to do it without using a workaround though. in the early beta, supposedly you could invite people from other regions to your space and it'd work -- they should at least bring that back.

 

[cakefoo]

This is the current startup process:
- Select home from the XMB
- 25 seconds of startup, progress bar
- HDD warning (user must press x to advance)
- Title screen (user must press x to advance)
- 10 seconds of logging in
- MOTD (user must press x to advance)
- 30 seconds of file update checks and space loading
- Arrival in home

It would require less effort from the user if it were arranged like this:
- Select home from the XMB
- 25 seconds of startup, progress bar, HDD warning
- 10 seconds of logging in
- 30 seconds of file updates and space loading
- Arrival in home, MOTD notification message on the lower right

This way you just have one larger, uninterrupted load, during which you could be sending/reading messages, looking at trophies, doing small chores, etc.

 

[kuYuri]

Thanks for pointing out the code in the video DMeisterJ.

 

[Cruzader]

This is the current startup process:
- Select home from the XMB
- 25 seconds of startup, progress bar
- HDD warning (user must press x to advance)
- Title screen (user must press x to advance)
- 10 seconds of logging in
- MOTD (user must press x to advance)
- 30 seconds of file update checks and space loading
- Arrival in home

It would require less effort from the user if it were arranged like this:
- Select home from the XMB
- 25 seconds of startup, progress bar, HDD warning
- 10 seconds of logging in
- 30 seconds of file updates and space loading
- Arrival in home, MOTD notification message on the lower right

This way you just have one larger, uninterrupted load, during which you could be sending/reading messages, looking at trophies, doing small chores, etc.

This x 1000.

That Jared guy should take note.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Patch 1.21 confirmed for NA this Thursday (as if we didn't know this)

http://boardsus.playstation.com/pla...hread.id=662361&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

Ok, let me clear up some rumors and erroneous information being spread:

-YES, we are also getting the 1.21 update this Thursday. We have not yet announced this in the forums or posted our notes because it was previously agreed upon with other regions to coordinate this sort of information sharing to avoid situations exactly like this one. Tedthedog is great at communicating with the EU community, but also needs to make sure he lets us know he's doing it. We've all discussed this and we're cool. But this kind of thing won't be happening again if we can help it.

-NO, picture frames won't be available yet with the 1.21 update, but YES, we are getting them. You will hear more about them very soon, we promise (hint: it's a good idea to hang out in Home during E3!)

-YES, it's true that SCEJ and SCEE will release things that we don't, and vice versa. Every region has its own business deals, developers, etc and it can be extremely difficult to get legal agreement for cross-regional deals. So if you are an SCEA Home user, it's not the best idea to be going to SCEE or SCEJ forums for your information about Home

-NO we don't condone global travel or wearing items in SCEA that users obtained through creating accounts in EU or Japan. The fact that many people have figured out how to go around this is not something that we plan to either condone or punish. That said, I can tell you that all regions agree that this needs to stop.

The bottom line is that SCEA Home is SCEA Home. You should think of it as its own entity and not be focusing on what other regions have. The same goes for SCEE and SCEJ Home. I know we gamers love our rewards and trophies and exclusive items, but you shouldn't be focusing on what other regions have and you don't to the point where you're blind to all the awesome stuff you ARE getting. Like picture frames!!!

Let's not overlook the positive here: you ARE getting the 1.21 patch on Thursday and you ARE getting picture frames. These are good things!

~Cyd

So they're not doing anything about the Region Jumpers, and the Region Jumpers won't tell anyone else how to do it. So there are always going to be people with JP and EU clothing/items, but not if you're not in that clique. Urgh.

 

[jrricky]

Has this been released yet?

 

[TTP]

Has this been released yet?

this Thursday

.

 

[RavenFox]

Damn didn't even know there was region jumping.

 

[gofreak]

This is the current startup process:
- Select home from the XMB
- 25 seconds of startup, progress bar
- HDD warning (user must press x to advance)
- Title screen (user must press x to advance)
- 10 seconds of logging in
- MOTD (user must press x to advance)
- 30 seconds of file update checks and space loading
- Arrival in home

It would require less effort from the user if it were arranged like this:
- Select home from the XMB
- 25 seconds of startup, progress bar, HDD warning
- 10 seconds of logging in
- 30 seconds of file updates and space loading
- Arrival in home, MOTD notification message on the lower right

This way you just have one larger, uninterrupted load, during which you could be sending/reading messages, looking at trophies, doing small chores, etc.

I think that startup time is even a bit optimistic.

Logging in just there, from XMB to apartment, pressing buttons to advance ASAP, it took:

1 minute and 20 seconds

Fix this Sony. Particularly if you really want people to be able to bounce into and out of Home easily from other activities. The boot-up is too long, and requires too much input from the user. When I hit Home on the XMB it should just dump me straight into my apartment, and do that (a lot) faster than currently.

 

[TTP]

I think that startup time is even a bit optimistic.

Logging in just there, from XMB to apartment, pressing buttons to advance ASAP, it took:

1 minute and 20 seconds

Fix this Sony. Particularly if you really want people to be able to bounce into and out of Home easily from other activities. The boot-up is too long, and requires too much input from the user. When I hit Home on the XMB it should just dump me straight into my apartment, and do that (a lot) faster than currently.

I have a better proposal.

Start up should simply show the World Map screen (a better version of that, cos current one sucks in so many ways) allowing me to jump straight to the space I want to check.

I hate leaving Home in, say, the Resident Evil 5 space and then having to wait for that space to load again next time I fire it up even if I don't intend to visit it.

 

[DMeisterJ]

I have a better proposal.

Start up should simply show the World Map screen (a better version of that, cos current one sucks in so many ways) allowing me to jump straight to the space I want to check.

I hate leaving Home in, say, the Resident Evil 5 space and then having to wait for that space to load again next time I fire it up even if I don't intend to visit it.

I hate that too. I wish you could do what you said, or just leave it set to always dump you in a certain space when you boot up home. And I do agree some of the 'press X' screens need to leave, and you should only have to press 'X' once. But even a lot of games require you to press x multiple times to get to the title screen.

 

[gofreak]

I hate that too. I wish you could do what you said, or just leave it set to always dump you in a certain space when you boot up home. And I do agree some of the 'press X' screens need to leave, and you should only have to press 'X' once. But even a lot of games require you to press x multiple times to get to the title screen.

Home's a service more than a game though. And as such, a 80 second startup time is waaay too long.

Maybe as Home loads it can defer loading a specific space til as late as possible, loading other things first, so while it loads those things you have the opportunity to select your start location. But if you don't select anything you start where you left off before.

If loading was very snappy I wouldn't mind a process that forces you to choose a location. But otherwise I'd just like it to be as smooth and as fast as possible.

 

[Jest]

-NO we don't condone global travel or wearing items in SCEA that users obtained through creating accounts in EU or Japan. The fact that many people have figured out how to go around this is not something that we plan to either condone or punish. That said, I can tell you that all regions agree that this needs to stop.

From the latest US PS HOME AD (Another Life):

LOL?

For those who don't know, you can only get the shirt the avatar is wearing by downloading the Namco Beta, which is exclusive to the JPN Playstation Store.

 

[TTP]

From the latest US PS HOME AD (Another Life):

LOL?

For those who don't know, you can only get the shirt the avatar is wearing by downloading the Namco Beta, which is exclusive to the JPN Playstation Store.

:lol

 

[Cruzader]

From the latest US PS HOME AD (Another Life):

LOL?

For those who don't know, you can only get the shirt the avatar is wearing by downloading the Namco Beta, which is exclusive to the JPN Playstation Store.

Yes I saw that too. btw HK version of Namco Beta Museum is the one that works in US Home...:lol :lol

 

[DMeisterJ]

From the latest US PS HOME AD (Another Life):

http://i43.tinypic.com/2roj1uo.png[IMG]

LOL?

For those who don't know, you can only get the shirt the avatar is wearing by downloading the Namco Beta, which is exclusive to the JPN Playstation Store.[/QUOTE]

Irony. Obviously.

So much double-talk goes on with the Home managers that it's amazing they're all on the same pages with how little sense they make. Earlier this week manager (or something to that nature) BuggieTechnica on the PS forums said that Picture frames were coming in 1.21 but the update wasn't coming on Thursday, and now we have Cyd saying the exact opposite, which is that 1.21 is coming Thursday, but pic frames aren't.

And now Cyd is saying that they don't Condone this, but the video from the marketing director is showing stuff form other regions. It's amazing that they actually believe what they say. It's so ass backwards.

 

[Cruzader]

Irony. Obviously.

So much double-talk goes on with the Home managers that it's amazing they're all on the same pages with how little sense they make. Earlier this week manager (or something to that nature) BuggieTechnica on the PS forums said that Picture frames were coming in 1.21 but the update wasn't coming on Thursday, and now we have Cyd saying the exact opposite, which is that 1.21 is coming Thursday, but pic frames aren't.

And now Cyd is saying that they don't Condone this, but the video from the marketing director is showing stuff form other regions. It's amazing that they actually believe what they say. It's so ass backwards.

When they had an Event on the God Father II space, I belive cyd, was wearing the japanese exclusive kimono dress or something. I know they are managers but why do that?? It just irritates alot of users. Weird thing is is that region jumpers(users w/ only 1 account) are banned in EU Home but not in the US thus more frustration.

 

[DMeisterJ]

When they had an Event on the God Father II space, I belive cyd, was wearing the japanese exclusive kimono dress or something. I know they are managers but why do that?? It just irritates alot of users. Weird thing is is that region jumpers(users w/ only 1 account) are banned in EU Home but not in the US thus more frustration.

And another case of how not any 2 of the community managers or whatever are on the same page. It's the same way TedTheDog from the EU forums spilt the beans on 1.21 before Cyd did on the US forums. There is never a straight answer from them, since no one knows what's going on. And it's part of the problem that is keeping Home back from growing more.

 

[gofreak]

Sony really needs to centralise their management of Home. Negotiate developer stuff on a global basis.

I mean I believe even their approval process is global now.

Yet when it comes to a network, they can't globalise it?

Come on. This isn't really tenable. I can somewhat understand regionalising certain commercial content (like music for example) that needs to be licensed on a per territory basis because OTHERS dictate it, but for things that are within Home, things Sony sets the licensing rules for, it should all be done on a global basis.

When it comes to features Sony develops and implements (e.g. picture frames), there's absolutely no excuse!! Are each of the regions (SCEA, SCEE, SCEJ) treated as third parties that need to individually license Home functionality now? :lol

It seems to me it's simply a product of dumb internal politics, giving each region a stake in the project, or some dumb compromise given over by the Home team in order to win support of all the regions. It's like you're working against yourself, this stupid silo mentality that Sony is supposed to be getting over. And it's hurting the consumer. SCE needs a Home czar and one team who can dictate how things are going to be, globally. End of story. I wonder if Stringer knows the low level details of how Home operates and if he's happy about it.

I can imagine it only frustrates partners too, having to go through three tiers of management (at least) in order to get their content up on Home globally.

edit - moreover, forget Stringer...I wonder what Kutaragi would make of this. Sony seemed to be making great strides in pushing forward with things like region-free games, a global one-stop-shop approval process for games and so forth..very enlightened approaches that I certainly appreciate very much..but then when it comes to their internet community, something that should be global by default, they give way too much power back to the regional offices again.

 

[Mr Jared]

So they're not doing anything about the Region Jumpers, and the Region Jumpers won't tell anyone else how to do it. So there are always going to be people with JP and EU clothing/items, but not if you're not in that clique. Urgh.

It's a pain, and I can't really talk about what's going on, but region hopping will be put to rest in the future. The trick is ending it without totally pissing everyone off. The fact of the matter is that for as bad as it is (because it's essentially violating copyrights), the people hopping regions for items are power users. They're the most dedicated to Home and it shows. So there's this catch-22 of ending it without totally crushing these people, because we like them and we love their dedication, we just wish they wouldn't jump through loopholes.

The wrong way to go about this is to actively punish those with the items. That would just spark some bizarre hybrid of witch hunts and civil war.

From the latest US PS HOME AD (Another Life):

[pic]

Or maybe you just noticed a sneak peek of something? There are lots of secrets in that video. Either way, I'm not in a panic :lol

It's amazing that they actually believe what they say. It's so ass backwards.

I believe what I say. Someone has to!

But seriously, this is why region x shouldn't announce stuff for region y and why Cyd is telling folks to look to SCEA for news on US Home. When people start crossing wires, you're bound to get mix-ups. So just to reiterate what she said..

1.21 Update this week, picture frames to come very shortly. And like I said a few pages back, when I talk about Home, I'm talking about US Home exclusively.

 

[edgefusion]

I was in the Home beta right from the beginning and I complained about the start-up process all along, I don't think it's something they're going to do anything about to be honest. I agree though that it's massively too long, ideally you should press the PS Home icon on the XMB and be in home.

 

[Oni Jazar]

- Select home from the XMB (user must press X to advance)
- 25 seconds of startup, progress bar
- HDD warning (user must press X to advance)
- Title screen (user must press X to advance)
- 10 seconds of logging in
- MOTD (user must press X to advance)

Home really needs to take out all these confirmation prompts. This bothers me more then the startup time. The message of the day should appear while the application is loading and be gone without prompt! Think about it: You have a bunch of text that a user will be reading, why not use that time to load the engine? If you missed the message you can always check via menu.

I've been meaning to write a long post about the horrible "user experience" that Home has but I've been waiting for the latest patch to see if that will improve things.

 

[DMeisterJ]

It's a pain, and I can't really talk about what's going on, but region hopping will be put to rest in the future. The trick is ending it without totally pissing everyone off. The fact of the matter is that for as bad as it is (because it's essentially violating copyrights), the people hopping regions for items are power users. They're the most dedicated to Home and it shows. So there's this catch-22 of ending it without totally crushing these people, because we like them and we love their dedication, we just wish they wouldn't jump through loopholes.

The wrong way to go about this is to actively punish those with the items. That would just spark some bizarre hybrid of witch hunts and civil war.

Meh.

How is someone more dedicated to Home than someone else if they figure out a loophole or bug or glitch to get items that other people can't get. That doesn't seem like they're dedicated to Home if they don't share that info, it seems like they're dedicated to themselves. I think the people who spend real money on virtual items in Home are the people dedicated to the service. I don't think I (or anyone) should get a Gold medal for buying some overpriced virtual items, or be able to region hop, but to allow people to do that and call it 'dedication' is dumb. The users circumvented an exploit in the system and then used it to get to other regions and violate copyright laws, and broke rules. I think people dedicated are the ones who are following the rules, and not violating copyright laws. But that's just me.

 

[Cruzader]

What pisses me more are the 'HDD warnings'. Why must I press X to continue? Every game needs to get rid of them. Biggest offender(besides Home) for me was burnout and now Zen Pinball. Its not like im gonna be removing tye damn thing while playing.

 

[gofreak]

Meh.

How is someone more dedicated to Home than someone else if they figure out a loophole or bug or glitch to get items that other people can't get. That doesn't seem like they're dedicated to Home if they don't share that info, it seems like they're dedicated to themselves. I think the people who spend real money on virtual items in Home are the people dedicated to the service. I don't think I (or anyone) should get a Gold medal for buying some overpriced virtual items, or be able to region hop, but to allow people to do that and call it 'dedication' is dumb. The users circumvented an exploit in the system and then used it to get to other regions and violate copyright laws, and broke rules. I think people dedicated are the ones who are following the rules, and not violating copyright laws. But that's just me.

I think he's saying that there's a correlation between those people and those who region-hop.

Not that they're dedicated because of their region hopping.

I appreciate them handling it gently. I think people region-hopping is just a natural expression of their appetite for an open, global network. If they have found a way to make Home global for them due to loopholes Sony made, then good on them..Sony shouldn't punish them for it. It'll be punishment enough being locked to one region again.

 

[agm2502]

A new space is coming on the 21st for the EU Home. it's a 1st party space with a mini game and leaderboard, so sounds like a different space to what the US has.

 

[Fersis]

Mr Jared is one (if not the most) optmistic and positive GAF member i ever saw.
You rock dood.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Mr Jared is one (if not the most) optmistic and positive GAF member i ever saw.
You rock dood.

Yeah, he's really positive, and rocks. Anyone that has to deal with the gaming community on a daily basis gets a +1 in my book.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Resistance 2 space coming to SCEE Home, no word on SCEA, even though Insomniac is an American company... My guess is that SCEA will partake in it too.

Resistance Space Opens in PlayStation®Home

Defend Chicago Station from Chimera attack in the new Resistance Space: it's fast, ferocious and free!

City, Date: We knew that the Chimera advanced swiftly but we didn't know it was this bad: the news just in is that the power-hungry wretches have attacked PlayStation®Home, the free, interactive space for PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3TM) users. This new area in Home features a recreation of the Chicago Railway Station level from the current PS3 hit ResistanceTM2, which sees America under siege from the Chimeran hordes. Your challenge is to fend off wave after wave of Chimeran aerial forces with a single weapon. It's not just any weapon, though: it's a four-barrelled, quick-repeating turret gun.

You can find your way to the new Resistance Space via the PlayStation®Home World Map. It pays to be swift: there's a poster in the space displaying a promotional code - and the first 3,000 users to redeem the code will get a free Resistance T-shirt for their customisable PlayStation®Home avatar.

The Resistance Space will be a gated area open only to users aged 18 or older.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3home&thread.id=664009

 

[Fersis]

R2 space yeaaaaaaaaaaah!!
And my PSN ID is EU so : HELL YEAH BITCHES!

 

[DMeisterJ]

R2 space yeaaaaaaaaaaah!!
And my PSN ID is EU so : HELL YEAH BITCHES!

I knew you'd come ini this thread smiling and whatnot.

 

[Fersis]

You know me too well my friend

 

[TTP]

R2 space yeaaaaaaaaaaah!!
And my PSN ID is EU so : HELL YEAH BITCHES!

Comes with game launching as well.

More info and vid here

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009...nce-space-unleashed-game-launching-confirmed/

 

[Fersis]

Comes with game launching as well.

More info and vid here

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009...nce-space-unleashed-game-launching-confirmed/

nom nom nom nom

 

[DMeisterJ]

Comes with game launching as well.

More info and vid here

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009...nce-space-unleashed-game-launching-confirmed/

Beat me to it. I'm glad there's more items to unlocked, and I hope that it's instanced, so that it's not 5 people tapping 'X' to death to play a frickin' game.

 

[Fersis]

Beat me to it. I'm glad there's more items to unlocked, and I hope that it's instanced, so that it's not 5 people tapping 'X' to death to play a frickin' game.

You can be sure that i will be one of those 5 people :lol

 

[Ephemeris]

Pretty sweet.

 

[TTP]

Beat me to it. I'm glad there's more items to unlocked, and I hope that it's instanced, so that it's not 5 people tapping 'X' to death to play a frickin' game.

Man that's so fucking dumb and annoying. What's even more annoying is having dozens of people and bubble machines around the "trigger point" making it impossible to even select the damn game. Siren space I'm looking at you.

 

[Cruzader]

Beat me to it. I'm glad there's more items to unlocked, and I hope that it's instanced, so that it's not 5 people tapping 'X' to death to play a frickin' game.

oh it will be a pain in the ass like Siren alright but i aint complaining.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Man that's so fucking dumb and annoying. What's even more annoying is having dozens of people and bubble machines around the "trigger point" making it impossible to even select the damn game. Siren space I'm looking at you.

Yep, exactly what I meant. There will be 20-30 people cramped around the trigger point, and then five or six bubble machines (I know you can get around them, but it's annoying nonetheless), and five slots available on the game. I decided I would just wake up really early EST to play the game and I got to play a good number of times before the space got packed. But I do really hope that this Game Space is instanced. There is only one gun, so it would make no sense having tons of people in a space for one gun. I really hope it's instanced like the Red Bull space.