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PS4 Performs Worse Than PS3 As A Blu-ray & DVD Player

dmr87

Member
This might be a post for OT, but it involves the PS4 so I'll let the mods deal with it.

I'm not tech savvy enough to explain most of the stuff in this article but it's nothing that affects me personally since I mainly use the player for 1080p Blu-Ray movies, I would guess that this is something that will be solved in future updates.

Before you freak out please read the article.

  • Blu-ray Playback
Unlike the Xbox One, the PS4 happily played back our recordable Blu-ray Discs containing our custom test patterns. BD-R playback isn’t a killer issue for most people who are only watching store-bought movies on factory-pressed discs, but blocking it is such a comparatively useless anti-piracy measure that we wonder why Microsoft bothered.

In any case, we were effortlessly able to confirm top-notch, totally accurate, unadulterated playback of Blu-ray movies against several other known-good reference players. That’s a small advantage over the Xbox One’s very good Blu-ray playback, which has a small (but generally not noticeable) lightness inaccuracy in its output.

There’s no noise reduction or other unwanted processing, no loss of resolution in the luma (brightness) or obvious loss of resolution in the chroma (colour) channel, pixel cropping, chroma upsampling jaggies, or other nasties to spoil the party with 24p content, which accounts for the majority of footage on Blu-ray. With 24p content, you provide the disc, the PS4 dutifully reproduces it. This alone will be enough to make the Sony PlayStation 4 a very usable BD player for most gamers.

That’s the end of the good news, however. If you play 1080i content on the PS4, you’ll find that the system deinterlaces it, and does a poor job of it. There doesn’t seem to be any semi-advanced motion-adaptive deinterlacing on the PS4 at all, with the entire screen (and not just the moving areas) being deinterlaced with a fairly crude algorithm. Visually, that translates into fine details flickering slightly. Of course, it’s more obvious in test charts than it is in content, but the resolution is being lost either way.

Nearly all films are stored at 24p so don’t count on seeing any issues with those, but if you play a video-based concert or documentary on the machine, you’ll be getting lessened vertical resolution compared to what you’d get from a better Blu-ray player such as the PS3, or nearly any standalone player.

Don’t think about setting the output to 1080i to send 1080i discs out in their native format, either: this compounds the problem. Even with the output set to 1080i, all 1080i content is deinterlaced internally and then output. There’s no native path for 1080i Blu-ray content on the PS4 (yet?), everything goes through the sub-par 1080p conversion process.

The diagonal interpolation test (which tests for a player’s ability to smooth jaggies during interlace to progressive conversion) didn’t return good results either, with jaggies being obvious on steep angles.

Unsurprisingly with all of this in mind, there is no provision made for film mode deinterlacing (detecting the presence of film content stored in an interlaced signal). Just so it’s clear, here are the tests from the 60hz tests on the Spears & Munsil disc:



  • 2-2 (30fps inside 60i): Fail
  • 2-2-2-4: Fail
  • 2-3-2-3 PF-T (24fps inside 60i with MPEG metadata): Fail
  • 2-3-2-3 (24fps inside 60i): Fail
  • 2-3-2-3: Fail
  • 2-3-3-2: Fail
  • 3-2-3-2-2: Fail
  • 5-5: Fail
  • 6-4: Fail
  • 8-7-8-7: Fail
  • Time-adjusted: Fail
Likewise, for European users watching European content (BBC TV shows are an obvious example), it’s worth knowing that the Blu-ray format does not have provision for 25p, so all of this content is encoded at 50i, and accordingly falls foul of the PS4's lack of deinterlacing capabilities. With 1080i HD content, this is actually not a gigantic problem, and we imagine most users won’t notice owed to the high HD resolution masking the resolution loss. It’s still poorer quality than many standalone players, however.

It’s a strange decision on Sony’s part, because when first launched, the PS3 system simply output 1080i content as 1080i (natively), meaning that the other components in the user’s AV system (AV receiver or TV) would do the deinterlacing. We’d hope this is something Sony addresses with a system update – either give us good deinterlacing with film mode detection, or just output the 1080i content as pure 1080i and let another device that has the same capabilities take care of it.



  • DVD Playback
The PS4's lack of deinterlacing prowess is a much bigger problem in the standard definition realm, where there’s much more interlaced content, and where every last drop of available resolution is precious.

The good news is that progressively flagged content on DVD is fine. That means that almost every American NTSC DVD containing a film will play back without any obvious artefacts on the Sony PS4. Film content that’s been encoded as interlaced, where the studio has passed the duty of interlace-to-progressive conversion onto the consumer’s playback hardware, will display with the aforementioned jaggies, of course magnified owed to the lesser SD resolution. As with HD, there is no film mode detection at all beyond the common reading of MPEG metadata (repeat field flags).

Adding to the PlayStation 4's suitability as a DVD player – for American/Japanese-centric NTSC content – is its high quality scaling. The PS3's spatial interpolation (literally how new pixels are created to fill the HD resolution from the low-res SD source) was novel for its time, and the PS4 appears to follow much of the same lead but without quite as much a synthetic finish (diagonal edges appear slightly less smoothed over, and you’ll likely never see a hint of aliasing even if you do find one of the few DVDs that has any sharp high frequency detail in it to start with).

That’s fine for the NTSC territories, but European users will not be too surprised to hear that PAL DVDs are not optimally handled by the Sony PS4. There are several esoteric features inside the DVD spec that allow a disc and the video on it to be marked as interlaced or progressive, but the long and short of it is that none of the PAL discs we tried played back optimally even if the flags on the disc were properly set (in PAL-land, almost none of them are). There is no 2:2 cadence detection for PAL films – in this area the PS4 is beaten by the Xbox One, which does do correct film mode deinterlacing.

The bottom line: the Sony PlayStation 4 treats all standard-def DVD content except for NTSC progressively flagged DVDs as interlaced, and its deinterlacing is not good. At least, the PS4 doesn’t make the Xbox One’s mistake of outputting 50hz content as 60hz, so doesn’t create judder. Instead, its lack of film mode detection means that PAL DVD – and we imagine many of our readers do have significant DVD collections – displays with lessened vertical resolution when compared to a good standalone.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ps4-201312173519.htm
 

Hex

Banned
This has been known.
It will be fixed with updates along the way, and will improve along the way.
 

Fergie

Banned
Well it goes to show the notion that the consoles were a bit rushed. At least it will be fixed in future updates.
 

Oppo

Member
Boy that is a lot of text to say that Ps4 is currently not so great at interlaced files.

I guess it's a bit more of an issue in PAL territories but I do think this will all get patched up. Launch focus was clearly all about game support.
 

The End

Member
I'm much more peeved that 3d Blurays aren't supported yet, although realistically I'm going to have to keep my PS3 hooked up through at least the end of the year for Xillia 2 / Persona 5 / Zestiria anyway so whatever.
 

Markitron

Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Iv still got my PS3 so I dont use it. I may switch over when they give it some attention and patch in its missing features.
 
PS3 was always a great media device. I've made my peace with the fact it'll be quite a while before the PS4 is a worthwhile replacement for that functionality.
 
1080i Blu-ray's, hmm odd issue that it can't handle those properly. Hopefully they fix that with updates. Off the top of my head "The Good, the Bad, the Weird" is the one that come to mind right away.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I'm sure the PS4 blu-ray features will grow over time, PS3 didn't have everything at first.
 

gcubed

Member
Yea this has been widely reported (at least in home theater circles), it's very disappointing and the reason I need to find room to keep the ps3 around.
 
Ps4 is being designed first and foremost as a gaming machine: Cool!

Ps4 has lagging media features which need to be updated: DAMMMMN YOU SONNNYYYY!!!!
 

Metalmarc

Member
Question, when i finally get my ps4 as my tv only goes up to 1080i, would i be better off setting it to 720p for blurays etc?

I did this on my ps3 as well as i read somewhere that its better than forcing 1080p content through 1080i on the tv or something like that
 

ari

Banned
Ps4 is being designed first and foremost as a gaming machine: Cool!

Ps4 has lagging media features which need to be updated: DAMMMMN YOU SONNNYYYY!!!!
When will this narrative end? its an requirement in 2013 to have multimedia capability, especially being a gaming device. netflix is huge on ps3.
 

JP

Member
Quite simple it's not as good as the PS3 blu-ray player but for the majority of people it's unlikely to be noticed. Luckily all the issues are due to software rather than hardware much like most of the issues with the PS4. I think most of the issue are likely down to the crazy rush approaching launch and will likely be fixed by v2.0 of the software at the latest.
 

Frodo

Member
Ps4 is being designed first and foremost as a gaming machine: Cool!

Ps4 has lagging media features which need to be updated: DAMMMMN YOU SONNNYYYY!!!!

Should we just ignore it? I use my PS3 on the rare occasion I want to watch a DVD or a Blu-ray disc. I haven't upgraded to a PS4 yet and I don't have space for another console on the rack. Isn't it useful for people like me who would have to get rid of the PS3 to accommodate the PS4?
 

LQX

Member
Bought a shit ton of 3D movies for my new TV then realized the PS4 could not play them. Ugh, you would think the company that help develop the technology would at least implement it.
 

Some Nobody

Junior Member
Ps4 is being designed first and foremost as a gaming machine: Cool!

Ps4 has lagging media features which need to be updated: DAMMMMN YOU SONNNYYYY!!!!

This wouldn't bother me as much if the paywalled media functions weren't all working, as far as I know, fairly well. Sony did what I expect every business to do, though: Prioritize what will make them money first. I don't hold it against them.
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Ps4 is being designed first and foremost as a gaming machine: Cool!

Ps4 has lagging media features which need to be updated: DAMMMMN YOU SONNNYYYY!!!!

New console takes step backwards from old one. "Why" isn't something the consumer should worry about.
 

emko

Member
When will this narrative end? its an requirement in 2013 to have multimedia capability, especially being a gaming device. netflix is huge on ps3.

if they had time to do only one properly i would pick gaming over multimedia, multimedia is not why a buy a gaming console its just extra so they can just add this in updates but gaming has to be 100% day one.
 
Wat abut the xbox one? How good is it?

I haven't done any scientific testing but I prefer my Xbox One to my PS4 for Blu-Ray playback. Find the experience/interface is simply less janky. Neither are that great though.

Now I'm scared to use my Xbone's optical drive since the first one died on my after two weeks of use.
 

Oppo

Member
Is this really an issue? I've seen printer support in the ps3 but I never thought, "I need to print this screenshot off"

of course it isn't ;)

it's only an issue in the sense of: why would they even spend any time on that
 

Requiem

Member
When will this narrative end? its an requirement in 2013 to have multimedia capability, especially being a gaming device. netflix is huge on ps3.

It's definitely not a requirement but it does increase the value of the product.
 

Nags

Banned
Yup. It's pretty unfortunate.
My PS3 is still serving as my streaming media hub and BD player. Plus I watch 3D movies when available.
 

UNCMark

Banned
Ps4 is being designed first and foremost as a gaming machine: Cool!

Ps4 has lagging media features which need to be updated: DAMMMMN YOU SONNNYYYY!!!!

I don't think it was too much to expect that for things like Bluray playback the baseline be set at what PS3 currently has. It's the regression in so many areas that makes people upset, and also makes it completely evident that the PS4 was rushed.
 

JP

Member
It is a shame that it's not perfect but it is understandable.

When the PS3 launched it was also being used to launch the blu-ray format so it was essential for Sony that they got out a good quality blu-ray player on day one. If they hadn't managed that it would have been much harder for them to sell the format. With the PS4 it's just not as important to them as it was for them to get the console out when they did so there is quite a few things that could have been done better than they were at launch but they had to make choices about which things they wanted to spend time on before launch.

It shouldn't be too long before the blu-ray software is updated and the PS4 is at least as good as the PS3. I understand it's annoying for some but like some of the issues with the new Xbox, they should be sorted out pretty quickly.
 
It is idiotic that Sony would fail to recognize the most important missing piece and potential cash cow: a remote. Charge $60 - I would understand.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
PS4 Blu Ray playback should be slammed if only because of the lack of 3D Blu Ray support.

That said, the article seems to imply that the biggest issues are if you have a 1080i TV and/or are trying to play native 1080i Blu Rays, and if you live in Europe and are trying to watch DVDs. Neither of those are an issue for me so I'm happy, but I can understand that this may be really disappointing for a lot of people(as lack of 3D Blu Ray support is for me).
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
I play all the BDs on PS3. PS4 drive is really noisy for the first third of every BD movie I tried, then it becomes more and more silent as the move keeps going. I can literally hear the difference in drive noise as I skip chapters forward/back. It's like the drive is spinning faster early on in the movie. I'm still not sure if this is something I should try exchanging the machine for, so far one person here has said he didn't noticed the problem.
 
I've been using my PS3 for BDs mainly because I don't have an IR adapter for my PS4 to use my Harmony remote yet-- this is interesting though. I will say that I was able to play one of my Australian BDs (Black Robe) in my PS4 just fine but it wouldn't play in my PS3 for some reason. That's the only playback issue I've had with the PS3 so far.
 

blastprocessor

The Amiga Brotherhood
The thing l really dislike is the fact it's a separate application that needs to be loaded. It's really horrible and SLOW and l hope SONY sort this out.

I was expecting it to play BluRay instantly or at least takes seconds not what feels like minutes.
 
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