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[Fake]

It used 2015 technology no?

Nvidia Tegra X1 2015.

My bad, 2015.

 

[HogIsland]

Pretty much. And with better CPU, way more RAM and DLSS it will give significantly better results than standard PS4.

More ports wille possible from PS5 (vs S1) but of course not all games will be ported.

nope, this is outlandish wishful thinking

 

[Klosshufvud]

Hope this throws some cold water on the people who expect DLSS to do major heavy lifting in this console. It's highly doubtful we are going to see 4K DLSS output on this console even in docked. We likely won't see it at all in handheld.

I have been saying for some time now that there is a huge difference between using DLSS on a stationary PC with a power budget of 500W with desktop class GPU and CPU to a 15W handheld that will have an extremely barebones CPU and GPU. DLSS isn't "free". Especially when having a low native resolution to work with, DLSS isn't the silver bullet to bad performance that it has proven on PC. I think Nintendo fans will have to accept being disappointed this gen in terms of tech.

 

[Fake]

People need to understand the profit methodology of Nintendo are a combination of great software plus a cheap hardware to manufacture.

 

[ManaByte]

The rumoured launch price is $399 with Nintendo wanting decent profits per unit since day one.

The two base models are $299. The Mario Kart 9 bundle is $349.

 

[Kilau]

Did they say if the motherboard has a dedicated chip for the Smell-O-Vision?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

People need to understand the profit methodology of Nintendo are a combination of great software plus a cheap hardware to manufacture.

Software is too sparse for my liking. Have gone years without turning my switch on

They need to start making more ambitious games

 

[pulicat]

I expected better tech than 8nm. I don't find that unreasonable.

Processing node isn't the only relevant tech on Switch 2. It doesn't surprise me it might be able to outperform other more expensive portable devices thanks to the Nvidia tech and Nintendo optimization.

 

[kevboard]

8nm in 2025 isn't cutting it. Nintendo could've taken a loss on the hardware in exchange for putting better hardware inside of the switch 2. 8nm tells us that they wanna make a profit on launch day and will essentially handicap their first party devs the entire generation because of that decision. Nintendo are a big enough corporation to cut a better deal in terms of producing the chip necessary to produce a more powerful console than asus are with the ROG ALLY X.

game consoles are in development for 5+ years.
Nintendo is limited by the tech Nvidia has ready to be used.
you can't just change the hardware last minute just because some new process node became available, especially if they can not guarantee production volumes.

the Switch 2 on a smaller node would still be the same system. the only difference would be battery draw. the target specs of the system probably have been set in stone 2 years ago.

and the simple fact that the system will probably be on par or more powerful than comparable devices that cost twice as much is the only real point of interest that the end user should care about.

 

[cormack12]

Damn, I think we all knew it would be older hardware, but we were expecting capability in there. Another generation of jaggies here we go.

With Nvidia on one side of the spectrum and Nintendo on the other, I think it's only the PS5/XS that offer any value for money.

 

[diffusionx]

I have been saying for some time now that there is a huge difference between using DLSS on a stationary PC with a power budget of 500W with desktop class GPU and CPU to a 15W handheld that will have an extremely barebones CPU and GPU. DLSS isn't "free". Especially when having a low native resolution to work with, DLSS isn't the silver bullet to bad performance that it has proven on PC. I think Nintendo fans will have to accept being disappointed this gen in terms of tech.

People seem to think DLSS is free because they turn it on and get performance improvements for seemingly nothing. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes or that engaging the DLSS routines with the GPU costs power.

I think Nintendo fans will be happy, it’s people who view DF and stuff like that who will be disappointed. As we see here.

 

[bundylove]

Bundy was right again but hey dont believe me. Ever.

 

[kazuyamishima]

The two base models are $299. The Mario Kart 9 bundle is $349.

Yeah, Nah, $399 without any game for the base model.

Processing node isn't the only relevant tech on Switch 2. It doesn't surprise me it might be able to outperform other more expensive portable devices thanks to the Nvidia tech and Nintendo optimization

Nintendo and their own secret sauce.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Nintendo has an excellent opportunity here to eat PlayStation's lunch if they could release a reasonably powerful system that could get most 3rd party support on day one.

I'm talking big games like GTA 6, Elden Ring etc. category.

It doesn't seem like they are doing it though.

Switch 2 will continue to sell well on the back of popular first-party games. But they could make it a complete package if it also got brilliant third-party support.

 

[Moses85]

 

[ReyBrujo]

There we go:



Anyone still expecting PS4 Pro performance level?

Wasn't that John himself who mentioned that via Twitter?

 

[Sebastian1295]

Software is too sparse for my liking. He gone years without turning my switch on

They need to start making more ambitious games

This is just my opinion but i agree with you. Nintendo have been spamming mario, fire emblem and zelda nonstop and have left alot of their franchises in the dust. Where's a new star fox, donkey kong, f-zero, 3d mario 'why only 1 per generation??', mario kart 'mario kart 9 should've been on the switch and not a mario kart 8 port'. Nintendo should take more risks and create more new ips and bring older franchises back with new games in the series.

 

[Skifi28]

Steam deck also came out in 2022 and was pretty good at the time. The only reason nintendo are launching a console this underpowered and going to charge a ridiculous price for it is because they know they can get away with it and they want to make as much of a profit as possible off of junk hardware. 8nm is an embarrassment in 2025 especially at the price they're going for.

The Steam deck might be old, but not much has changed in the handheld space. New handhelds that released this year are barely an improvement in the same TDP. Whatever Nintendo did, it would have been underpowered anyway. They just chose to make as much money as possible which we kinda knew anyway. Until tech has advanced enough for a Deck 2, I suspect the Switch 2 will be quite impressive as the only modern handheld using Nvidia tech.

 

[cormack12]

Software is too sparse for my liking. He gone years without turning my switch on

They need to start making more ambitious games

True they have some great IPs like XC and it would be nice to even play a Zelda game that looks like it doesn't take place on a pool table.

 

[jm89]

Nintendo want that $400 price.

 

[spons]

Wasn't that John himself who mentioned that via Twitter?

lol

 

[ReyBrujo]

Nintendo could've taken a loss on the hardware

No, they have never done that, why would they do that to keep fanboys and haters

 

[Kings Field]

Games > Specs

 

[asdasdasdbb]

8nm in 2025 isn't cutting it. Nintendo could've taken a loss on the hardware in exchange for putting better hardware inside of the switch 2. 8nm tells us that they wanna make a profit on launch day and will essentially handicap their first party devs the entire generation because of that decision. Nintendo are a big enough corporation to cut a better deal in terms of producing the chip necessary to produce a more powerful console than asus are with the ROG ALLY X.

Presumably there will be a $299 Switch 2 Lite at some point.

 

[Sebastian1295]

No, they have never done that, why would they do that to keep fanboys and haters

The gamecube was sold at a loss on launch i believe as well as the n64.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Think more along the lines of base PS4 graphics performance

 

[Woopah]

My bad, 2015.

Should very better this time as Nintendo aren't using an "off the shelf" SoC.

The two base models are $299. The Mario Kart 9 bundle is $349.

What makes you say this? Seems very optimistic.

 

[ReyBrujo]

The gamecube was sold at a loss on launch i believe as well as the n64.

I kind of remember they did take a loss on GC when they dropped it at 99 bucks but it was covering costs before that. Same with Wii U and 3DS but the plan with all their consoles was to sell them for profit and take a loss only when in dire circumstances.

 

[JackMcGunns]

who cares about Specs. i want to see GAMES

They're on the Switch One, duh

 

[Heisenberg007]

Games > Specs

Sure, true.

But the scope of said games do get limited by specs.

 

[diffusionx]

The Steam deck might be old, but not much has changed in the handheld space. New handhelds that released this year are barely an improvement in the same TDP. Whatever Nintendo did, it would have been underpowered anyway. They just chose to make as much money as possible which we kinda knew anyway. Until tech has advanced enough for a Deck 2, I suspect the Switch 2 will be quite impressive as the only modern handheld using Nvidia tech.

When it comes to handhelds, we are at this point where:

1. Only so much juice can be squeezed from these chips - there's another thread about it. These node shrinks aren't getting you what they used to. You can just jack up power in a desktop and make people buy a bigger PSU. But there are hard limits to what a handheld can do, because:
2. Battery tech is not improving. It's basically what it was a decade ago. Companies are just finding better ways to squeeze a bigger battery into the device, but that only goes so far.

it's arguable that the Steam Deck is relatively close to the practical limit of power that you can get with a (x86) handheld system, despite it being old. Sure you can go beyond that if you want 12 seconds of battery life but that is not practical.

 

[pulicat]

Yeah, Nah, $399 without any game for the base model.


Nintendo and their own secret sauce.

Zelda TOTK won best technology award in 2023 despite being a Switch game. Digital Foundry themselves complimented Nintendo for punching above its weight.

Just imagine what Nintendo capable on a system roughly 4-5 times more powerful than Switch

I'd prefer this
Pushing the system to its limit

Instead of this
Not fully utilising system power

 

[daclynk]

IS the graphics going to be worst than the switch 1.

 

[Wooxsvan]

Games > Specs

i dont play any games on my switch because of its specs so. no thx

 

[LordCBH]

PS4 runs games like RDR2 and TLOU2. Switch 2 being around that or a little stronger isn’t a problem. It’s fine.

 

[SweetTooth]

GTA6 will look impressive in this thing!

Lmao

 

[McRazzle]

8nm in 2025 isn't cutting it. Nintendo could've taken a loss on the hardware in exchange for putting better hardware inside of the switch 2. 8nm tells us that they wanna make a profit on launch day and will essentially handicap their first party devs the entire generation because of that decision. Nintendo are a big enough corporation to cut a better deal in terms of producing the chip necessary to produce a more powerful console than asus are with the ROG ALLY X.

They wouldn't take a loss if they went smaller than 8nm; it might cost them an extra $15.00 at the most.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Doubt that, the developers who did the heavy lifting on these emulators were politely asked to stop doing so by Nintendo.
There might be forks and clones but none of them have decent dev activity where it matters.

???

Ryujinx has updates almost daily.

 

[Fake]

GTA6 will look impressive in this thing!

Lmao

Like Doom 2016 lmao.

 

[JORMBO]

I loved the Switch. It is the first Nintendo consoles I've liked since SNES. It lost some of it's magic as it aged and we have seen all the handled PCs released. Steamdeck kills some of the hype for Switch 2 for me. I am expecting it to be around the Steamdeck in power or a bit worse. I will still get one on day one for Nintendo games and any RPGs I may want to have a physical copy of. I am not expecting much from it from a tech perspective though.

 

[cireza]

I'm convinced this is why they've been so heavyhanded with it recently. This thing is likely going to be emulated in no time if people aren't threatened.

Of course, it was obvious.

 

[daclynk]

OH NOOOO. NINTENDO is DOOMED. They went the same way like Wii and is going to released an under-powered system compared to the PS5/XSX. They should go 3rd party.


That reminds me what are the games that is defining this gen. Also why are PS and Xbox releasing their games on different platforms. Again?

 

[Mayar]

I don't know why everyone was so surprised, everyone who is familiar with Nintendo products knew perfectly well that everything would be like this. Nintendo has always made consoles for itself, regardless of the market, competitors, technical components. Is this a good approach? Well, who knows, we'll see this year, if they sell more than 100 million consoles again, then the plan was correct.

 

[T4keD0wN]

There we go:



Anyone still expecting PS4 Pro performance level?

HW Performance level? No and i dont care about that.

But i am calling it now, itll run majority of games at 60fps that are 30fps on PS4Pro/XB1X, crossgen at 30fps (some at 60) and more stable than old gen. Raw GPU power means nothing since itll have a low resolution screen, with upscaling and lower in-game settings on top.

720p60 requires far less power than 4k30, but at worst "lower effort" ports will go with more stable 30fps + better graphics/lower res than PS4/XB1 instead. Talking about handheld modes ofc.

 

[PeteBull]

lol

That tweet is simply saying that switch2 is weaksauce techwise but is newer tech in most polite way possible.
Kinda like rtx 4060(18may 2023) is newer tech from 2080ti(20sept 2018 official launch date) yet the older card is 21% faster on avg. 4years and 8months difference between those 2 cards.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Specs

NVIDIA AD107, 2460 MHz, 3072 Cores, 96 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2125 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[asdasdasdbb]

They wouldn't take a loss if they went smaller than 8nm; it might cost them an extra $15.00 at the most.

NV would probably want an additional like 50-100M up front if they were going to port it to like say TSMC N6. But given that you would get a decent amount more dies per wafer... the cost increase per die wouldn't be that much.

The main benefit wouldn't be performance tho... mainly better battery life and being able to ditch the fan.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

Zelda TOTK won best technology award in 2023 despite being a Switch game. Digital Foundry themselves complimented Nintendo for punching above its weight.

Just imagine what Nintendo capable on a system roughly 4-5 times more powerful than Switch

I'd prefer this
Pushing the system to its limit

Instead of this
Not fully utilising system power

That remaster looks like a steaming turd compared to Astro, also costs 60$ to boot thanks to scrooge ass Nintendo. The mushrooms in the background probably have more polygons than the metroid MC.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Wukong xss damage control.

 

[daclynk]

Zelda TOTK won best technology award in 2023 despite being a Switch game. Digital Foundry themselves complimented Nintendo for punching above its weight.

Just imagine what Nintendo capable on a system roughly 4-5 times more powerful than Switch

I'd prefer this
Pushing the system to its limit

Instead of this
Not fully utilising system power

 

[Sebastian1295]

Zelda TOTK won best technology award in 2023 despite being a Switch game. Digital Foundry themselves complimented Nintendo for punching above its weight.

Just imagine what Nintendo capable on a system roughly 4-5 times more powerful than Switch

I'd prefer this
Pushing the system to its limit

Instead of this
Not fully utilising system power