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[SF Kosmo]

My theory has long been that this system is essentially identical to the Switch Pro that was rumored two years ago.

I think initially Nintendo hoped that this system would act as a mid-gen replacement that would allow for upgraded visuals in Switch games, and that there would be a replacement down the road that wasn't a Switch 2 at all but something more different and Nintendo Weird.

But they decided to abandon the weird thing and put their weight behind the Switch Pro as their next gen solution, but this changes the consumer expectation in terms of software, so they needed to hold the system to get more software ready so it wouldn't just be a Pro upgrade.

 

[SweetTooth]

People saying "Nivida tech" this or Nvidia tech that doesn't know their history in screwing console manufacturers. They screwed MS with OG Xbox and Sony with weaker GPU.

Now they are scrapping whatever cheap tech in their old automobiles chips and enslaving Nintendo who has no power (or knowledge) whatsoever but to bend over and say yes sir.

Having said that, this might work for Nintendo since their fanbase have no standards and typically live 15 years in the past technologically.

 

[Woopah]

My theory has long been that this system is essentially identical to the Switch Pro that was rumored two years ago.

I think initially Nintendo hoped that this system would act as a mid-gen replacement that would allow for upgraded visuals in Switch games, and that there would be a replacement down the road that wasn't a Switch 2 at all but something more different and Nintendo Weird.

But they decided to abandon the weird thing and put their weight behind the Switch Pro as their next gen solution, but this changes the consumer expectation in terms of software, so they needed to hold the system to get more software ready so it wouldn't just be a Pro upgrade.

The jump between Switch and Switch 2 is far far too big to just be a "Pro". It has triple the RAM.

 

[PeteBull]

The jump between Switch and Switch 2 is far far too big to just be a "Pro". It has triple the RAM.

Yup, even in worst case scenario, so 2tf docked for switch2, that is still 5x tflop increase vs og switch, which docked was barely 1/3rd of xbox one s, add to that newer features, especially nvidia's dlss (no framegen, just regular proper dlss), and it could trade blows with 4,2tf ps4pr0 in some scenarios.
Need to see proper full specs and at least 1 non bullshot gameplay trailer to know 4sure how close it is to base ps4 or/and ps4pr0

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I was told 8mm was impossibruh and Nintendo wouldn’t cheap out….

How to accurately predict Nintendo’s hardware every time:

Think of a modest, sensible, reasonably priced solution that would be perfect for a Nintendo console. Then go down a notch or two and that’s what Nintendo will probably use.

 

[SF Kosmo]

The jump between Switch and Switch 2 is far far too big to just be a "Pro". It has triple the RAM.

Yeah I should say that I think the chipset is identical, they may have tweaked around the edges with things like RAM or battery capacity or whatever but that we're seeing a chipset that was designed for a system intended to be released two years ago and that we should set out expectations accordingly.

 

[Calverz]

People saying "Nivida tech" this or Nvidia tech that doesn't know their history in screwing console manufacturers. They screwed MS with OG Xbox and Sony with weaker GPU.

Now they are scrapping whatever cheap tech in their old automobiles chips and enslaving Nintendo who has no power (or knowledge) whatsoever but to bend over and say yes sir.

Having said that, this might work for Nintendo since their fanbase have no standards and typically live 15 years in the past technologically.

And yet they continue to be number one.

 

[FireFly]

Steam deck also came out in 2022 and was pretty good at the time. The only reason nintendo are launching a console this underpowered and going to charge a ridiculous price for it is because they know they can get away with it and they want to make as much of a profit as possible off of junk hardware. 8nm is an embarrassment in 2025 especially at the price they're going for.

Even Steam Deck 2 should be in the ballpark of where the PS4 is, if it's using the same chip as the Ally, which is what the press release indicated. So is Steam Deck 2 going to be an "embarrassment"?

My theory has long been that this system is essentially identical to the Switch Pro that was rumored two years ago.

I think initially Nintendo hoped that this system would act as a mid-gen replacement that would allow for upgraded visuals in Switch games, and that there would be a replacement down the road that wasn't a Switch 2 at all but something more different and Nintendo Weird.

But they decided to abandon the weird thing and put their weight behind the Switch Pro as their next gen solution, but this changes the consumer expectation in terms of software, so they needed to hold the system to get more software ready so it wouldn't just be a Pro upgrade.

Switch 2 will have almost 5X more bandwidth, 6X more CUDA cores, and even on 8nm will still be on a higher clocking process.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

How to accurately predict Nintendo’s hardware every time:

Think of a modest, sensible, reasonably priced solution that would be perfect for a Nintendo console. Then go down a notch or two and that’s what Nintendo will probably use.

Or, pick a last gen Sony console from 12 years ago and add slightly more power

 

[Raphael]

If this is on par with deck power wise than that's absolutely terrible. Its going to be 3 years since its release and the deck is much below PS4's graphics fidelity. Oh Nintendo.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Having said that, this might work for Nintendo since their fanbase have no standards and typically live 15 years in the past technologically.

Please gimme one fanboy. No, not so fanboy.

 

[Jesb]

The problem is you people eat up whatever Nintendo feeds you. I’m not surprised they are cheaping out again.

 

[Parazels]

Who and how calculated "equal performance" between Switch 2 and Steam Deck?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

For the first time ever I'm tempted to get a Ninty system, since SNES. And I dont even care about portability as I never play games handheld. Zero cellphone gaming for me too. I just want to sit back on my couch and play on a big screen.

All I care about is 2D Mario, 3D Mario and goofing around with Smash Bros (which I totally suck at when I play my bro's kids). And those Mario Maker kinds of games look good too.

 

[CrustyBritches]

and the simple fact that the system will probably be on par or more powerful than comparable devices that cost twice as much is the only real point of interest that the end user should care about.

Steam Deck LCD has been selling for $349 new regularly since 2023.

 

[HogIsland]

If this is on par with deck power wise than that's absolutely terrible. Its going to be 3 years since its release and the deck is much below PS4's graphics fidelity. Oh Nintendo.

it's gonna be lower than deck power by a noticeable amount

 

[IDKFA]

The Switch is a fantastic console with some incredible looking games.

The Switch 2 is more of the same, but more powerful and will be affordable.

What were people expecting? PS5 levels of performance at £399 or less? LOL. Get real!, FFS.

Wake up people. Nintendo haven't been making cutting edge hardware for decades now, but still produce some of the best games of all time.

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

People saying "Nivida tech" this or Nvidia tech that doesn't know their history in screwing console manufacturers. They screwed MS with OG Xbox and Sony with weaker GPU.

Now they are scrapping whatever cheap tech in their old automobiles chips and enslaving Nintendo who has no power (or knowledge) whatsoever but to bend over and say yes sir.

Having said that, this might work for Nintendo since their fanbase have no standards and typically live 15 years in the past technologically.

Is Nvidia really to blame for RSX??? The PS3’s development budget was cut towards the end and I’m sure Kutaragi canned the original GPU in hopes that developers would spend more time optimizing for CELL.

 

[Raphael]

The Switch is a fantastic console with some incredible looking games.

The Switch 2 is more of the same, but more powerful and will be affordable.

What were people expecting? PS5 levels of performance at £399 or less? LOL. Get real!, FFS.

Wake up people. Nintendo haven't been making cutting edge hardware for decades now, but still produce some of the best games of all time.

I wanted a PS4 power level machine. Perfectly doable at decent pricing. Instead we are getting what a 3rd of the power ?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Someone explain to me why Switch 2 didn’t come out years ago with this ancient 8nm part?

I could have played a better looking tears of the kingdom on it…

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Someone explain to me why Switch 2 didn’t come out years ago with this ancient 8nm part?

I could have played a better looking tears of the kingdom on it…

If you are talking about the Switch Pro, No room because of Crypto.

 

[SweetTooth]

And yet they continue to be number one.

N64? WiiU? Gamecube? Hell even Wii was a disappointment

SNES and Switch are their best efforts yet

 

[FireFly]

I wanted a PS4 power level machine. Perfectly doable at decent pricing. Instead we are getting what a 3rd of the power ?

Where are you getting 1/3rd of the power from? PS4 performance should be possible at 700 MHz (2.15 TF). 1/3rd of that is 233 MHz, which is well below even Switch 1 portable speeds, and shouldn't even be feasible on 8nm, due to hitting the minimum voltage.

Edit: People are talking like 8nm (which isn't even confirmed) is the end of the world, when it's only slightly less efficient that RDNA 2 on 7nm.

MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT Gaming X Review

The Radeon RX 6600 XT Gaming X is MSI's dual-fan, triple-slot flagship for AMD's new Full HD gaming champ. The card comes with an overclock out of the box and runs at great temperatures, while operating very quietly.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[IDKFA]

I wanted a PS4 power level machine. Perfectly doable at decent pricing. Instead we are getting what a 3rd of the power ?

Wait and see. It's going to have more modern tech than a PS4 and I'm sure the games will look great whatever the specs.

Look at the Switch. No where near a PS4 level machine, but has some really fantastic looking games. I'm still amazed my weak Switch Lite can run the Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal, not to mention how good some of the first party games look like Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey.

Relax. It won't be like a mini PS5 Pro, but it'll have enough under the hood to be impressive in its own right.

 

[kevboard]

Steam Deck LCD has been selling for $349 new regularly since 2023.

it will outperform the Deck.
the real comparison are Z1 Extreme handhelds like the Legion Go or Ally X. especially since those actually boost their performance when "docked", while the Deck doesn't.

and even compared to the Z1 Extreme handhelds it will have better RT acceleration and better image reconstruction.

 

[Elios83]

It's Nintendo, you just have to be reasonable to understand that with a 8nm chip, this thing will be in line with a base PS4 level device in handheld mode but with modern features like DLSS and on-paper ray tracing support.
Docked mode should be like a downgraded Series S.

 

[Xellos]

8nm is not that bad. A better node would have allowed for a bit more power with a bit better battery life. It's not a make-or-break difference and if 8nm allows Nintendo to target a lower price then it's a reasonable trade-off.

PS4 GPU is old but getting that kind of performance in a mobile SoC at mass market price is not a given even today. ROG Ally Z1 Extreme needs 20+ watts to the SoC to match or beat PS4 and costs $550. Steam Deck can match PS4 GPU at but targets 720/800p vs PS4 usually hitting 900-1080p. Granted there's PC-version overhead, but power of both devices is in PS4 ballpark. Switch 2 will be similar, but with Ampere/ARM vs RDNA/x86 and with better optimized software vs the PC handhelds. It'll probably beat PS4 in terms of graphics settings (textures, lighting), but render at lower resolutions and use upscaling to get to 1080p and beyond.

I wanted a PS4 power level machine. Perfectly doable at decent pricing. Instead we are getting what a 3rd of the power ?

Portable it's probably 1/3 to 1/2 PS4 GPU. Docked should be be near PS4 (give or take, depending on clocks). Outside of GPU power, it does have some advantages compared to PS4 (RT, upscaling) since it's a newer GPU. Also CPU should be faster, storage is faster, and it has 50% more RAM.

 

[ReyBrujo]

"Wii having PS3 power all over again!"

 

[ReBurn]

who cares about Specs. i want to see GAMES

 

[CrustyBritches]

it will outperform the Deck.
the real comparison are Z1 Extreme handhelds like the Legion Go or Ally X. especially since those actually boost their performance when "docked", while the Deck doesn't.

and even compared to the Z1 Extreme handhelds it will have better RT acceleration and better image reconstruction.

Switch runs at reduced performance in HDMI-out mode, and even further reduced performance in standard handheld mode. There's no such thing as "docked" mode. It's a misunderstanding on the part of Nintendo fans due to the ~5W limit in handheld mode. They think it's "boosting" performance to run at 10W. Deck has all that power available at any time. I've seen it pull upwards of 28W in gameplay. Ally X is probably pulling 40-50W in it's faster profiles, Nintendo isn't getting anywhere near that with 5W.

 

[Xdrive05]

Sounds like it's still in a much better posture than Switch 1 was, where this is at least a custom purpose SoC and not an off the shelf shoehorned solution to get rid of excess stock. So if it is 8nm, then it was designed to get the most out of that 8nm in the power budget that Nintendo gave Nvidia to hit. That alone is an improvement.

PS4 handheld and PS4 Pro docked still seems about right with the gen on gen improvements and real upscaling tech here, with some standout exceptions of quality PS5 ports, which is what the Switch was relative to the PS3/PS4 gens of its time.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

For the first time ever I'm tempted to get a Ninty system, since SNES. And I dont even care about portability as I never play games handheld. Zero cellphone gaming for me too. I just want to sit back on my couch and play on a big screen.

All I care about is 2D Mario, 3D Mario and goofing around with Smash Bros (which I totally suck at when I play my bro's kids). And those Mario Maker kinds of games look good too.

Yeah that’s just it. The reason I buy a Nintendo system is so I can play Nintendo games. Even if Switch 2 were 2 Switch 1s duct taped together I’d still get one so I can play Nintendo’s games.

Everything else I’ll be playing on PC/Steam Deck anyway.

 

[kevboard]

Switch runs at reduced performance in HDMI-out mode, and even further reduced performance in standard handheld mode. There's no such thing as "docked" mode. It's a misunderstanding on the part of Nintendo fans due to the ~5W limit in handheld mode. They think it's "boosting" performance to run at 10W. Deck has all that power available at any time. I've seen it pull upwards of 28W in gameplay. Ally X is probably pulling 40-50W in it's faster profiles, Nintendo isn't getting anywhere near that with 5W.

the Steam Deck runs the exact same TDP no matter if connected to a charger or not.

the Ally X has a special mode that engages when connected to a charger which increases TDP above what it can draw when running from the battery.

the Switch does the exact same thing. and none of the devices run as fast as they can, they are all limited arbitrarily by the manufacturers for one reason or the another, be it stability concerns, heat concerns or battery concerns.
you don't see the Ally X run at 5.1GHz CPU and 2.7GHz GPU speeds do you? even tho the chip can actually run at those speeds.

so your statement "There's no such thing as "docked" mode" is idiotic and objectively wrong

 

[Nvzman]

Nintendo has an excellent opportunity here to eat PlayStation's lunch if they could release a reasonably powerful system that could get most 3rd party support on day one.

I'm talking big games like GTA 6, Elden Ring etc. category.

It doesn't seem like they are doing it though.

Switch 2 will continue to sell well on the back of popular first-party games. But they could make it a complete package if it also got brilliant third-party support.

Pardon my language, but how have you not realized for like 3 gens now (Wii, Wii U, Switch) that Nintendo could not give a fucking shit about what PlayStation/Xbox does. They do their own thing, they remain uniquely Japanese and focused on games and gameplay experiences, not appealing to tech nerds.

Reading some of the reactions here show how legitimately business-illiterate and tech-illiterate some users are. Nintendo are not going to spend dumptrucks of money on a cutting-edge expensive process node with NVIDIA (the most difficult to work with vendor in the chip industry by far) of all companies. Additionally, when bleeding-edge chips like the Z1 Extreme/8840HS chips are barely producing results comparable to the PS4 with mediocre battery life, how in the hell did you think this was going to go? Nintendo was going to conjure up some mystery tech that allows for 6 hour battery life playing Mario Kart 9 at 1080p/120fps on a VRR handheld display for $299-$399 or some crazy shit like that so the """tech enthusiasts""" can enjoy the game the same as the 5 year olds who don't give a single crap?

I think the performance will definitely be a nice bump up from the original Switch (which for its time was the best Nintendo could do - "2015 CHIP OMG LMFAO" morons be damned), but its not going to compete with anything beyond PS4/Xbox One performance. And guess what? Nintendo will likely do just fine, at least they have a library that will make buying a Switch 2 desirable unlike whatever the fuck Microsoft has been doing and Sony's own library is gradually waning in anything genuinely interesting and unique. I say all this as someone who hasn't even touched their Switch in 3 years and primarily plays on a gaming PC.

 

[CrustyBritches]

the Steam Deck runs the exact same TDP no matter if connected to a charger or not.

the Ally X has a special mode that engages when connected to a charger which increases TDP above what it can draw when running from the battery.

the Switch does the exact same thing. and none of the devices run as fast as they can, they are all limited arbitrarily by the manufacturers for one reason or the another, be it stability concerns, heat concerns or battery concerns

so your statement "There's no such thing as "docked" mode" is idiotic and objectively wrong

Yeah, max TDP resulting in ~28W of power consumption. The Ally X is pulling ~40-50W. Switch is pulling 5W despite the fact that Tegra X1 can easily clock way higher, even with Switch's anemic cooling, but it's a battery life issue. They needed it like that to compensate for the crappy battery.

 

[kevboard]

Yeah, max TDP resulting in ~28W of power consumption. The Ally X is pulling ~40-50W. Switch is pulling 5W despite the fact that Tegra X1 can easily clock way higher, even with Switch's anemic cooling, but it's a battery life issue. They needed it like that to compensate for the crappy battery.

the Z1 Extreme can clock at 5.1 GHz CPU and 2.7 GHz GPU. at no point does the Ally X reach those numbers.

and the Steam Deck could also run faster without getting onto overheating issues. but Valve configured it in a way that it runs at the exact same TDP at all times to simplify the experience. which means in return that the Deck is fully optimised to run off of the battery, and absolutely not optimised in any way to allow for a performance increase when plugged in, even tho it could allow for one.

the Ally X and Switch both are configured to allow such a boost when "docked"

but either way, the Switch 1 is entirely irrelevant to this discussion in the first place.
the X1 can run at such low power draws, the T239 would probably crash if you tried. so it's completely irrelevant to talk about how much power either handheld draws. the important part is that the Switch 2 will target multiple different modes, including one where they don't have to worry about the battery life, similar to the Switch 1 and similar to the power modes of the Ally X, while the Deck is clearly not made to take advantage of being plugged in whatsoever... it's fully targeting the handheld TDP and nothing else.

 

[CrustyBritches]

but either way, the Switch 1 is entirely irrelevant to this discussion in the first place.
the X1 can run at such low power draws, the T239 would probably crash if you tried. so it's completely irrelevant to talk about how much power either handheld draws. the important part is that the Switch 2 will target multiple different modes, including one where they don't have to worry about the battery life, similar to the Switch 1 and similar to the power modes of the Ally X, while the Deck is clearly not made to take advantage of being plugged in whatsoever... it's fully targeting the handheld TDP and nothing else.

Oh I'm sure it's sooo irrelevant that it's function is the crux of your argument.

Dude, process node, power draw, cooling, and battery capacity are all major factors in it's performance. Ally X has a 80Wh battery, laptop-esque cooling, and costs $800. Switch 1 has a 16Wh battery on all models. Nintendo is cheap as fuck. They don't care about bleeding-edge performance, they have been using the withered technology approach since Wii in 2006.

 

[kevboard]

Oh I'm so sure it's sooo irrelevant that it's function is the crux of your argument.

Dude, process node, power draw, cooling, and battery capacity are all major factors in it's performance. Ally X has a 80Wh battery and laptop-esque cooling. Switch 1 has a 16Wh battery on all models. Nintendo is cheap as fuck. They don't care about bleeding-edge performance, they have been using the withered technology approach since Wii in 2006.

and what does that have to do with having multiple modes? nothing.

how is the Tegra X1 relevant to the discussion about the Switch 2? it isn't.

I don't know if you noticed, but the Switch 1 and the Switch 2 are not the same console

 

[diffusionx]

My theory has long been that this system is essentially identical to the Switch Pro that was rumored two years ago.

I think initially Nintendo hoped that this system would act as a mid-gen replacement that would allow for upgraded visuals in Switch games, and that there would be a replacement down the road that wasn't a Switch 2 at all but something more different and Nintendo Weird.

But they decided to abandon the weird thing and put their weight behind the Switch Pro as their next gen solution, but this changes the consumer expectation in terms of software, so they needed to hold the system to get more software ready so it wouldn't just be a Pro upgrade.

There is precedence for this. Nintendo was working on the Game Boy Advance in 1995 or 1996. The ARM7 chip it used was from 1994. Of course, we all know what came out in 1996 for the Game Boy and gave that hardware a 2nd life. Without Pokemon it's possible we get a GBA in 1998 and that system gets a full hardware life until 2005.

 

[CrustyBritches]

and what does that have to do with having multiple modes? nothing.

how is the Tegra X1 relevant to the discussion about the Switch 2? it isn't.

I don't know if you noticed, but the Switch 1 and the Switch 2 are not the same console

From my point of view, the primary factor is going to be power draw. What are you expecting for full system consumption in these "modes"?

 

[kevboard]

My theory has long been that this system is essentially identical to the Switch Pro that was rumored two years ago.

the Switch OLED is clearly the remnant of what the Switch Pro was supposed to be. it has better memory that had the potential to be doubled and it has an improved X1+ that could clock significantly higher while retaining the same power draw as the launch model.

if you want to see the Switch Pro, buy an OLED Switch, jailbreak it, and max out the clock speeds.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Yup, even in worst case scenario, so 2tf docked for switch2, that is still 5x tflop increase vs og switch, which docked was barely 1/3rd of xbox one s, add to that newer features, especially nvidia's dlss (no framegen, just regular proper dlss), and it could trade blows with 4,2tf ps4pr0 in some scenarios.
Need to see proper full specs and at least 1 non bullshot gameplay trailer to know 4sure how close it is to base ps4 or/and ps4pr0

That's the best case scenario. Many are expecting max 1.5tf docked. Have you read DF about DLSS? At this level it's very costly. It will likely not be used in many games.

 

[Exede]

Hope we have the Switch 2 in our hands soon, so people like DF don't get any more clicks out of pure speculation.

 

[SF Kosmo]

the Switch OLED is clearly the remnant of what the Switch Pro was supposed to be. it has better memory that had the potential to be doubled and it has an improved X1+ that could clock significantly higher while retaining the same power draw as the launch model.

if you want to see the Switch Pro, buy an OLED Switch, jailbreak it, and max out the clock speeds.

This does not at all align with the pretty extensive leaks about the Switch Pro from 2-3 years ago, which all said it was using the Tegra 239.

Nvidia Employee Comment Confirms Chip Rumoured To Be Used In 'Switch Pro' Is Real

An in-Tegra piece

www.nintendolife.com

 

[FireFly]

That's the best case scenario. Many are expecting max 1.5tf docked. Have you read DF about DLSS? At this level it's very costly. It will likely not be used in many games.

1.5 TF docked would mean a 488 MHz clock speed, so less than 1/3 of the Steam Deck's max clock on only a slightly less efficient process/architecture, and almost a 60% lower clock than the Switch 1.

And the key thing about ML reconstruction is that you can reduce the complexity of the model to limit the performance hit. That's what Intel do on PC with XeSS on 3rd party graphics cards, and it's something actually mentioned in the Nintendo DLSS patent. (Also an indie dev on Famiboards is claiming that there is a piece of yet unrevealed "information" that makes DLSS viable on the Switch 2)

 

[meech]

That tweet is simply saying that switch2 is weaksauce techwise but is newer tech in most polite way possible.
Kinda like rtx 4060(18may 2023) is newer tech from 2080ti(20sept 2018 official launch date) yet the older card is 21% faster on avg. 4years and 8months difference between those 2 cards.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Specs

NVIDIA AD107, 2460 MHz, 3072 Cores, 96 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2125 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

The difference here is that this isnt a comparison between gpus produced by the same company. Nvidia cards are clearly superior to Amd ones.

 

[kevboard]

From my point of view, the primary factor is going to be power draw. What are you expecting for full system consumption in these "modes"?

I don't know how much the T239 draws. so it's complete speculation either way.

all we know is that if it can run the GPU at 400 MHz in handheld mode, it will be more powerful than the Steam Deck.
and if it runs at anything above 1 Ghz while docked, it's more powerful than the PS4.

as a comparison point, the Switch 1 in handheld mode runs the GPU at 460 MHz.
running at at least that speed might be necessary simply for backwards compatibility to be simpler. who knows how Switch 1 games would react to a GPU clocked below what they expect, and who knows if they could magically make use of the modern architecture to overcome the discrepancy in clock speeds.
I mean maybe it can run lower without issue who knows
but why expect the new system to run significantly lower clock speeds than its predecessor?

at 460 MHz the T239 will outperform the Deck (although due to the highly variable nature of the Deck's clock speeds that depend on what the CPU does, this isn't as easy to nail down)

 

[Shaki12345]

Someone explain to me why Switch 2 didn’t come out years ago with this ancient 8nm part?

I could have played a better looking tears of the kingdom on it…

It's not about you. It's about a lot of things. To begin with; profitability.

 

[kevboard]

This does not at all align with the pretty extensive leaks about the Switch Pro from 2-3 years ago, which all said it was using the Tegra 239.

Nvidia Employee Comment Confirms Chip Rumoured To Be Used In 'Switch Pro' Is Real

An in-Tegra piece

www.nintendolife.com

read that article. the people writing this use Switch 2 and Switch Pro entirely interchangably.

the Switch Pro wouldn't have used an entirely different architecture, that doesn't make any sense.

the Switch OLED on the other hand could be turned into a Switch Pro you would expect to see, by simply replacing its 2 2GB Memory chips with 4GB ones. which they could have done due to switching to LPDDR4X from LPDDR4.

LPDDR4X also has a higher potential bandwidth.

the X1+ in combination with LPDDR4X could have been used to double the memory, increase bandwidth and clock the Switch OLED to significantly higher speeds while drawing roughly the same power as the launch model.

it's exactly what a Pro model would look like if they made one.
but they probably didn't want to muddy the waters and changed course midway through the Pro's development and salvaged what was left of the concept to make the OLED model.
the New 3DS, which did something similar, wasn't that well received and didn't get much support due to that... I mean fuck, not even Pokémon supported the New 3DS' hardware

 

[Woopah]

Yup, even in worst case scenario, so 2tf docked for switch2, that is still 5x tflop increase vs og switch, which docked was barely 1/3rd of xbox one s, add to that newer features, especially nvidia's dlss (no framegen, just regular proper dlss), and it could trade blows with 4,2tf ps4pr0 in some scenarios.
Need to see proper full specs and at least 1 non bullshot gameplay trailer to know 4sure how close it is to base ps4 or/and ps4pr0

Yes we will need to see what devs can do with it to get a real answer, rather than just looking at the known specs so far.

Yeah I should say that I think the chipset is identical, they may have tweaked around the edges with things like RAM or battery capacity or whatever but that we're seeing a chipset that was designed for a system intended to be released two years ago and that we should set out expectations accordingly.

I do think it was designed to release last year, but as a Switch 2. We're going to see lots of games release on this device that won't release on Switch, which probably wouldn't happen if it was just a Pro.

I wanted a PS4 power level machine. Perfectly doable at decent pricing. Instead we are getting what a 3rd of the power ?

You are getting a PS4 power machine (but with several advantages over it, and drawbacks terms of heat and power draw.