Didn't Sony say MP games couldn't have higher framerates? 45 to 60 makes a pretty big difference...
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Didn't Sony say MP games couldn't have higher framerates? 45 to 60 makes a pretty big difference...
Lister
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oooh didn't know Gamersyde had high quality vids available. gona check them out, thanks.
geordiemp
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Well, they will all target 60, although Pro will just do it comfortably and OG Ps4 may drop resolution adaptive to keep frame rates up.
So both will be 60 FPS games, just that Pro will do it more often.
Would hope so, I would hope it would be solid 60 on pro
The whole drive is encrypted, every file, which is the reason you can't simply swap it on system migration (e.g. to a Pro).
As far as Sony is concerned that's both "60 fps".
ShadowkillXNA
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Eh still doesnt seem like ps4 pro mode is mandatory for all new releases after the systems release but I could be reading it wrong. I hope it is mandatory. The faq still needs to be clearer.
n0razi
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It is 60fps for both... its just that the Pro will be able to hold 60fps 99% of the time.
Yeah i agree the FAQ should be clearer, we'll see
They mean targeting. You can't have Pro 60 and PS4 30. They aren't going to enforce dips as well, they have no way to enforce that outside of base mode.
So Dark Souls 3 for example could get a patch for locked 30 as opposed to 30 with fps drops because its still targeting the same general FPS.
BF1 still targets 60fps on PS4, but a solid 60fps on Pro ect.
93xfan
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It will, due to the CPU boost.
Kenzodielocke
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I feel like the consoles should go to DF already so they can give us some benchmarks and answer a lot of questions. I think DF and other tech sites are a better PR tool than Sony themselves right now.
Btw. is the checkerbox technique a Sony patent ?
Btw. is the checkerbox technique a Sony patent ?
Battlefield 1 is advertised as 60 FPS on the OG no? If the Pro has a stable 60fps and the OG has 45-60fps it's not really an advantage. I doubt devs would simulate framerate drops on the Pro.
I think Sony was specifically stating 30fps multiplayer games going to 60 on the Pro.
I agree fully.
Sony own a type of Checkerboard rendering patent but the tech itself can be done in many ways.
wonderful103
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Battlefield games are very cpu bound
MatrixMan.EXE
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Yes, simply because of the raw spec boost. The target framerate of 60fps won't change though, which is what was meant when it came out that framerates in multiplayer games won't be increased on the Pro.
And it seems the CPU has been up clocked to 2.1Ghz. I believe it'll have a steady 60fps.
I thought BF wasn't really a CPU bound game as much as something like a sim game etc. I thought it was a balance of both GPU and CPU with BF?
Edit: Yep. BF is a mixture of both, CPU and GPU. It's not really bound by one or the other. Just that you benefit from having a stronger CPU and GPU.
wonderful103
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You should look harder. And realize how much of a downfall the cat family CPUs are
Mr. PlayStation
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With BF1 all set to follow BF4's footsteps by running at 900p/60fps on PS4, would BF1 actually hit 1080p/60fps on Pro as EA mentioned that BF1 along with FIFA would make use of Pro
Its likely
For sure.
By extension wouldn't that be PS4 games? I thought PS4 Pro would not get any exclusive titles it's all one family. Assuming the PS5 is indeed more powerful (safe to say) they would just need to make sure the patches work.
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-the-ultimate-faq/
If it hits 900p and 45-60fps on OG why wouldn't it hit 1080p 60fps on pro? I'm aware of how blatantly shite the Jaguar CPU is but I think it's perfectly within reach.
potatohead
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I don't think we know PS5 B/C with PS4/Pro games yet.....
But I am in the same boat hoping it is. Since we're still going to be on x86 and with everything currently going on likely still an AMD APU as well.
Would be funny if some games on PS4 get updated to 4K native on PS5. I wouldn't mind that at all. It really would be "PC-like" in that sense for the upgrade.
This Verge Flowchart though on whether you should purchse the Pro...
http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/9/12852134/ps4-pro-playstation-4-sony-guide-details
Haha
http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/9/12852134/ps4-pro-playstation-4-sony-guide-details
Haha
LowParry
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That is the funniest shit I've ever seen.
Yeah. The point of building an ecosystem is to keep people in it. i think its safe to say that regardless of what comes next, as close to 100% compatible BC with PS4 and NEO titles will be a big priority for Sony.
PS3 showed them that resetting things to zero isn't viable anymore.
OdysseusVA
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journalism
In a year those players will be half the cost and by 2018 will probably retail under $100
There are no devs that are going to do that. Its too extreme an example to actually present as a scenario.
Naughty Dog can't get to 60 or even mid 45? They lock it to 30 and up the visual quality.
They were at 37 fps before they decided for UC4 that they couldn't do it
mmmhhh... there's my hopes, but i just read an interview with Masayasu Ito, who leads Sony Interactive Entertainmet Engineering Division, and he said in relation to competitive multiplayer gameplay that developers are "specifically asked not to give advantages to PS4 Pro users" and "the fine-tuning is left to the judgement of the developers. As long as the frame-rate in multiplayer is the same".
Don't you think a solid framerate could be considered a proper advantage in contrast with sony rules?
someone should be clearer among sony peeps ???
Coulomb_Barrier
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UHD players have now turned into some kind of popular entertainment gadget and the Xbox having one is some kind of uber selling point. Yeah right.
UHD is significantly more niche than blu ray was at release several years ago and back then people were saying the disc format is dying in the face of streaming. UHD disc sales are not something that is going to get popular, especially not now with streaming. It's super niche atm.
UHD is significantly more niche than blu ray was at release several years ago and back then people were saying the disc format is dying in the face of streaming. UHD disc sales are not something that is going to get popular, especially not now with streaming. It's super niche atm.
Not sure how accurate this is, but I'll say something I already wrote a few moments ago in another thread. Just because it's a minority or a niche, doesn't mean is not a big fuck you to those people. And it's impossible not to see the surprise and outrage for people who've seen and used Playstation as a power house for blu-rays and related media. Streaming in 4k (besides being shit quality wise compared to actual UHDs) is not as accessible as you might think to a lot of people.
Night Hunter
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http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/...ltra-hd-blu-ray-outpacing-early-blu-ray-sales
Actually UHD BR discs are selling at a much faster rate than BR back in the day.
What do you expect you are on a forum with people who value high end electronics. If they invest in a really nice 4k HDR tv of course they want some good native content for it. I am not surprised by the reaction by many here. They were hoping to save 399.99 of a standalone player.
ShadowkillXNA
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The framerate target will be the same on both ps4/ps4 pro. However the ps4 pro version will hit the target more frequently and with fewer and less severe drops simply because they will run on a cpu 1.3x faster than the og ps4 and a gpu 2.3x faster.
To its credit the article does mention that everyone knew the PS3 was about to launch, which likely severely dampened the first three months of BR sales, especially for players but for discs as well. It does forget that there was that little format war thing going on at the time and that HD-DVD had already launched months earlier, so many people were taking a wait-and-see position. Early BR titles reviewed poorly thanks to an early reliance on MPEG-2, and as I recall HD-DVD was selling notably better in those first few months. I don't know if UHD BR is outselling the combined HD formats.
Although the first three months of BR disc sales was only 57,000 units, total sales for that and the following three months is 1.2 million according to Wikipedia, thanks to the PS3 and holiday buying season. If the Xbox One S and holiday buying season keep UHD's pace ahead of BR, I'd be impressed. If UHD manages to top the two formats combined, then I'd be surprised.
My concern is that they would rather just sell a remastered version rather than let you play your old games. Ps4 games will require a patch to take advantage of the pro. It has already been suggested that developers could charge for this upgrade. I wish they would just come out and say if the backward compatibility will be a feature moving forward. I am sick of losing all my games every time I upgrade.
Anyone else think the launch of the ps4 pro has been terrible? They really haven't got the key points across well. The fact people o this forum have got questions suggests that sony will have a hard time selling the concept to the average Joe. I think most people wanted a performance boost as the ps4 is under powered.
Malcolm9
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It's pretty obvious what the Pro is, come out from under that rock.
Is it really? Look at the tech sites who are saying you need a 4k TV. Sony haven't got the message across that it will benefit frame rate for 1080p. Also read the posts about charging for updates, what games will benefit etc. There are a lot of questions and the main stream media have got mixed messages
The unit is two month to launching
I think their plans and tech talk is really hard to show off via YouTube streams etc. Most people who have seen it face to face have said it looks great. They did a fairly poor job of getting people hyped and explaining why people should upgrade. Even more so if you don't have a 4k setup.
Saberus
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You seem to ill informed, suggestion.. do some more reading.
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I don't have a PS4, but I'm planning on buying one mid-2017. Since I'll be continuing to use my 24" 1080p TV for the entirety of my PS4 use and it'll be my "second console" (NX likely my first), I was figuring the Slim is the best decision since it is cheaper and I'll be a fairly casual player. But given the somewhat small price gap, I'm more intrigued by the PS4P than I thought I ever would be.
My main hope is that a list of which titles are PS4P-enhanced and how they are enhanced will be maintained somewhere on the internet. That way, I could see what exactly this system does for someone like me and the games I want when it comes time to buy. As of now, it's unclear to me how many games will be benefitting and in what way. It seems that's also unclear for Sony and developers. So...I guess, just like with the n3DS, it'll be a matter of waiting and seeing what developers choose to do.
My main hope is that a list of which titles are PS4P-enhanced and how they are enhanced will be maintained somewhere on the internet. That way, I could see what exactly this system does for someone like me and the games I want when it comes time to buy. As of now, it's unclear to me how many games will be benefitting and in what way. It seems that's also unclear for Sony and developers. So...I guess, just like with the n3DS, it'll be a matter of waiting and seeing what developers choose to do.
I am not saying the are charging for updates only that several news outlets are carrying this story. So far sony haven't made a statement either way, hence the market confusion. The average consumer will not spend ages reading games forums. You seemed well informed but do you think the average consumer is well informed? All I am saying is that we have conflicting information on major news outlets which is the last thing you want for a new product launch.
Google is your friend if you don't like to read game forums. Even my 11 years old cousin knows what a Pro does.
Brad Grenz
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Corrections were sent out almost immediately by Sony. If you're still seeing articles without corrections in them you are reading very shitty news sites.
CanUKlehead
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If you don't have one and the price gap is somewhat insignificant for you, sounds like keeping an eye on the PS4P is smart.
And considering you're not planning on getting that console until way after it releases, you're in a good position to see what developers initially do, and what news or reports then might say they will end up doing in the future.
I can kind of see developers being frustrated that they have all this power, but can't push it even further as they may feel hamstrung because of the OG PS4 (same with Scorpio and OG XB1). I don't actually know that of course, and Sony and MS I'm guessing have done the research and have the go-ahead from (at least some) devs, but we'll see