Hesemonni
Banned
The best bump!
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Doubtful. Neo will like he launched in March so dull production would be Oct or Nov. So needs to give PSVR some breathing room
Young Tick
Neo Member
Agree. You could say that MAYBE (look at the thread) the PS NEO has been upgraded to a stronger console than what the rumors say. Chances are quite slim, though. I know for sure that PS NEO, despite he maybe have less power than the Scorpio, gonna have great graphical fidelity
McHuj
Member
There no point to announcing it in September if it's not launching this year.
Swass
Member
No way are Sony launching this thing next year.. if you believe that then ask yourself why Sony would announce a brand new product that will undercut their current product right before the biggest sales period of the year. Also Sony has said they want to take an Apple approach to hardware, which is announce and release shortly after.. I believe the Neo is launching October/November for sure.
Aceofspades
Banned
Neo is 2.3x more powerful than PS4.
Scorpio is 3.3x more powerful than PS4.
*Based only on GPU rumored TF.
Now ask yourself why would Sony cut there own throat. So they would texpect for PSVR to fail.
Pjsprojects
Member
Great does this mean we have a picture showing the Neo? Must of missed that one.
Swass
Member
Explain why you think the Neo and PSVR can't coexist? PSVR initial shipment is already sold out.. and Neo is likely targeting a different audience or the customer with enough disposable income to purchase both.
Since when does lack of a production picture mean a product is not in production?
I think its going to look like the PS4, no new design.
CosmicQueso
Member
Thanks for bumping. The responses on the first 10 pages have been well worth reading through again.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
This would really surprise me.
ScaryShark
Banned
That'd be dumb.
thelastword
Banned
Whattttt? Do you Know that Project Morpheus was announced on March 18th 2014 at GDC? Scorpio was announced this past E3 and at that time it was 1 year and 6 months away from launching? Why can't Sony announce the NEO in September this year and launch it 6 months later? In fact, that would probably one of the quickest if not the quickest transition a piece of console hardware would go from announcement to launch. I'm not sure that you're familiar with history here.
As a matter of fact, the VR set that sony announced in 2014 is only now going to launch in October this year. NEO has not been officially announced at any press conference, all you've been hearing about it is off the record.
wapplew
Member
Because Neo is a revision not a new platform. Like past revisions, announce and release is very close.
BTW, how do I search my own post in this thread? I want to see how stupid I looked in denial phase,
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Because Andrew House. Instant gratification, Apple available now, surprised Microsoft announced Scorpio so early etc. /Broken record...
And that without the Neo upgraded games being submitted now.
duhmetree
Member
This is not a new generation of consoles and/or a new technology like PSVR. It's a beefier PS4.
It would put off a lot of consumers who were looking to buy a PS4 for the holiday season.
Andrew House has stated they were going to the 'Apple release' schedule. Reveal and release weeks later.
Sony would have a full year of sales before Scorpio hits. Which in turn leads a price reduction/valuable bundles once Scorpio hits.
Everything points to a 2016 release.
Swass
Member
If that were the case then why not just announce at E3, Gamescom, PGW, or PSX? Why create a special event right before their biggest sales season to announce a product that won't be available during said season that will undercut the sales of your product that is available? People are already putting off PS4 purchases just because the Neo exists, now imagine an actual announcement and launch date, holiday sales would tank..
Also, Sony has stated they want to take an Apple approach to launching hardware, which means schedule an event around the product, and launch it weeks to a couple months later. It is also interesting to note that this event also falls on the same day as Apple's annual iPhone event. While this method of announcement to launch didn't make sense in the past, it makes full sense for iteration consoles as you don't want to tank sales of the current product for months when you are just releasing a superior version of the same product.
The reason Microsoft announced the Scorpio so far in advance is because Sony caught them off guard with the Neo, and they had to announce early to get in front of Sony. Can you imagine Microsoft hadn't done that and only announced the S.. imagine a scenario where the S is sitting next to the Neo on store shelves for an entire year before Scorpio got announced at next E3..
THE:MILKMAN
Member
It really is very simple. Neo is a slim that has more power and Sony are releasing it like they have previously have done with "normal" slims i.e. announce/release within ~ a month.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Looks like I'll be skipping PS4 expensive AF if it ends up being 500$. I'll just wait for the PS5 2 years post release that will be a lot better instead for that price.
Slim models have never been priced at a premium though.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Do you want it to cost $700?
Swass
Member
If you do that, you might as well wait a couple more years until the PS5 Neo is released.. but why do that when a PS6 is just around the corner.. but wait then there will be a PS6 Neo is a couple years after that so...
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Sure, but that is why I suspect there will be a PlayStation meeting. To explain the mid-gen upgrade/iteration and to assure current PS4 owners they won't be forced to upgrade or be left behind. Plus Sony might have other stuff to announce we don't know about.
recklesscognition
Member
Double the size, power brick, put the VR breakout box inside the machine (I think this is going to happen btw), IDGAF, the thing is sitting on a tv console and never moving, get me that raw power Sony.
rokkerkory
Member
4.7TF machine @ $400 
duhmetree
Member
I started reading the first post thinking it was from today.
Chû Totoro
Member
nvm
dumb me
dumb me
duhmetree
Member
Some people value improved fidelity Some people want the best experience possible... Some want a 4k media machine.
If you do not value any of these things.... wait.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I wonder if the audience for this would prefer an overclocked machine with sizeable cooling solution to match resulting in a Xbox like monolith or low clock speeds but PS4 size or maybe even slightly slimmer.
Ditto jnr.
Glory Fades
Banned
Can someone explain tme why MS and Sony are releasing, and have release upgraded hardware, with a promise it will do nothing for the software?
I dont understand this generation at all.
I dont understand this generation at all.
GlamFM
Banned
Simple, they have not and they are not.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
They haven't said that. Not sure where you get this idea?
To be fair Microsoft did make done misguided statements, like Scorpio will do nothing for you if you don't have a 4K tv (which they later took back to a degree).
Sony did confirm literally nothing officially yet except that something is coming. So it is s bit early for the final judgement.
Sony did confirm literally nothing officially yet except that something is coming. So it is s bit early for the final judgement.
Yeah I agree this is a good opportunity to reveal the slim model as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I really am hoping Neo has a feature or something not expected and/or Sony reveal something else out of nowhere.
I'm ready just for Neo, though.
Glory Fades
Banned
I was referring to.
"It was also made very clear that current games would not be getting any type of performance upgrades by being played on the system"
Also Phil Spencer was asked about Xbox One S and how it will affect games currently out, and he said it won't.
I dont understand. Why are we getting more power?
"It was also made very clear that current games would not be getting any type of performance upgrades by being played on the system"
Also Phil Spencer was asked about Xbox One S and how it will affect games currently out, and he said it won't.
I dont understand. Why are we getting more power?
Did you make up a statement and then just quote it? Nobody ever said that. If they did they were misinformed.
The entire point of NEO is IQ and performance upgrades along with 4K priority in regards to media, output and HDR.
What there won't be, are games that can't be done on PS4. So every PS4NEO game will be run on PS4 and vice versa.
As for Xbox One S, its just a 4K compliant refresh of the current XB1 in a slim external casing with no power brick and UHD BR functionality.
Scorpio is their NEO competitor that won't be out till next year.
keyword is "current". Unless a developer patches an older game, it won't run any better on Neo. However from October onwards, those games will.
Hexa
Member
Why are you talking about One S. That isn't like Scorpio or Neo at all. It's basically just a slim.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
You shortened the quote:
Of course it would be ridiculous to expect devs to patch all games going back 3 years. Most big AAA games will I think, along with all games from late September on.
I don't see a problem.
IIRC digital foundry did a thing on the XBO S and there were some improvements. If there were on that pretty sure there will be some on neo.
CosmicQueso
Member
Do you think they deserve some flak for it?
<_< Which reminds me. Nobody answered my question:
How come PS4 NEO won't get performance upgrades out of the box like XB1 S?
Even without patches, games run marginally better just because the GPU was upclocked 7% on XB1S.
So why with NEO, when the CPU is upclocked to such a significant degree and the GPU is so much stronger and the bandwidth higher, does the game have to run at the exact performance metric of the original PS4?
I can understand that they need patches to take advantage of resolution and FPS and graphics increases past what the game originally supported on the base PS4(like say a locked 30fps game being patched to run at 60, or a locked 1080p game patched to run at 1880p with SMAA or whatever), but even without said patches, shouldn't games just run better by default?
I don't know how Sony could set a clock speed to make games run exactly like OG PS4 since the clock of the CPU is much higher, the bandwidth of the RAM is higher and the GPU is completely new.
Are default upgrades still on the table i wonder?
How come PS4 NEO won't get performance upgrades out of the box like XB1 S?
Even without patches, games run marginally better just because the GPU was upclocked 7% on XB1S.
So why with NEO, when the CPU is upclocked to such a significant degree and the GPU is so much stronger and the bandwidth higher, does the game have to run at the exact performance metric of the original PS4?
I can understand that they need patches to take advantage of resolution and FPS and graphics increases past what the game originally supported on the base PS4(like say a locked 30fps game being patched to run at 60, or a locked 1080p game patched to run at 1880p with SMAA or whatever), but even without said patches, shouldn't games just run better by default?
I don't know how Sony could set a clock speed to make games run exactly like OG PS4 since the clock of the CPU is much higher, the bandwidth of the RAM is higher and the GPU is completely new.
Are default upgrades still on the table i wonder?