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[Inuhanyou]

And it's weird because all my friends and family are so upset about this and feel jaded at Sony. No matter what analogy or articles I use, they still feel like they're getting screwed. Meanwhile I'm over here giddy at no longer having to wait 8 years for new hardware. Plus as others have said it's not like Sony is abandoning the PS4. I really don't see a negative here if this is the standard going forward.

To be fair, its not as if your getting a new gen earlier full of taking advantage of the hardware and having that huge boost of experience, its just an extension of the current device and locked to its standards and specifications while adding more performance and IQ.

This is why its not a reason to get mad over as well

 

[malboroking]

Yeah, that sounds a lot like the end of me buying a console. Thanks, but you can keep it Sony.

I should probably invest in a good pc and play the shit version of the handful of Sony exclusives on my standard ps4.

I'm glad people aren't overreacting, boy would they look silly.

 

[Prisoner]

And of course it's to boost sales, push sales of 4k TVs, push UHD Bluray and compete with the Xbox One S. No one's saying it's not aimed at pushing sales.

Then we're in agreement.

And finally as for boosting sales, well duh. That's the goal of all businesses. You can't really use that as a negative against Sony here.

I didn't say that to criticize Sony. Obviously, they are a business like any other. My point was that Neo isn't anything more than that. It wasn't conceived to give people more choice, or to make people happier; its purpose is to make money. That's all it is, which is fine.

 

[malboroking]

Thats exactly what the 32x was...it effectively doubled the genisis consoles power but was let down by a customer confusing direction and a game library which never really matured as better hardware was released by its competitors

Sony should really stick with a simple ps4 slim redesign and work on a balls to the wall ps5

The 32x required a Genesis to run. The PS4 Neo is a stand alone product. They aren't the same at all.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Then we're in agreement.



I didn't say that to criticize Sony. Obviously, they are a business like any other. My point was that Neo isn't anything more than that. It wasn't conceived to give people more choice, or to make people happier; its purpose is to make money. That's all it is, which is fine.

But it is making people happier. Newsflash all commercial products are designed to make money.

 

[TeddyShardik]

I'm glad people aren't overreacting, boy would they look silly.

What? You want to give me 500 bucks to buy it then?
I don't want this to be a thing so I'm voting with my wallet against this practice.

Boy, am I glad Sony is giving me so much choice!

 

[finalflame]

Then we're in agreement.



I didn't say that to criticize Sony. Obviously, they are a business like any other. My point was that Neo isn't anything more than that. It wasn't conceived to give people more choice, or to make people happier; its purpose is to make money. That's all it is, which is fine.

Everything ever made by any company is to boost profit/sales, that's the entire point of a company. It doesn't mean the company doesn't also take into consideration what its players want, which is clearly the case here. Just because you're not personally interested in something does not make it evil.

 

[LifEndz]

To be fair, its not as if your getting a new gen earlier full of taking advantage of the hardware and having that huge boost of experience, its just an extension of the current device and locked to its standards and specifications while adding more performance and IQ.

This is why its not a reason to get mad over as well

If I can get 60fps out of BF1 or No Man's, I'll be happy. Nice holdover until the PS5, which I probably won't buy at launch because I'm getting a Neo day 1.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I didn't say that to criticize Sony. Obviously, they are a business like any other. My point was that Neo isn't anything more than that. It wasn't conceived to give people more choice, or to make people happier; its purpose is to make money. That's all it is, which is fine.

It is absolutely being created to make people happy and to provide consumers choice. By doing these things, Sony can then profit, which is the ultimate goal of any corporation.

Acting as if an entertainment device isn't being created to entertain is silly. You probably aren't going to make a whole lot of money if you don't provide the market with what it wants.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

What? You want to give me 500 bucks to buy it then?
I don't want this to be a thing so I'm voting with my wallet against this practice.

Boy, am I glad Sony is giving me so much choice!

No one is forcing you to buy it nor do we care. You still get all the games on your current PS4 so nothing changes for you. If you want be pissy because you hate the idea of iterations on consoles that's your problem.

 

[Inuhanyou]

If I can get 60fps out of BF1 or No Man's, I'll be happy. Nice holdover until the PS5, which I probably won't buy at launch because I'm getting a Neo day 1.

I'll probably buy a NEO only if my current PS4 breaks since i'm fine with the current PS4. I expect all PS4 and NEO supported games to work out of the box for PS5 anyway, so it'll be an even more enhanced experience and better bang for buck.

On the other hand, i don't begrudging people for wanting better performance and 4K/HDR/UHD BR earlier than PS5 would otherwise give it in 2019/2020, so more power to you and others.

 

[malboroking]

What? You want to give me 500 bucks to buy it then?
I don't want this to be a thing so I'm voting with my wallet against this practice.

Boy, am I glad Sony is giving me so much choice!

Dude, you do have a choice not to buy it. You think a new PC will be any cheaper?

 

[Prisoner]

But it is making people happier. Newsflash all commercial products are designed to make money.

Newsflash: that is exactly what I just said!

Everything ever made by any company is to boost profit/sales, that's the entire point of a company.

See above.

It doesn't mean the company doesn't also take into consideration what its players want, which is clearly the case here.

Well, obviously they take into consideration what some people want, I wouldn't deny that. That doesn't mean they're always working in people's best interests, though.

Just because you're not personally interested in something does not make it evil.

When did I say it was evil?

 

[Sanctuary]

Of course OG ps4 games will be technically 'inferior' in some ways to the same game on running on the more powerful ps4 Neo. If it wasn't there would be no purpose to the Neo or Scorpio for that matter.

UHD player, and 4K upscaler are reasons.

 

[Symbiotx]

4 years in and I was already thinking about a second PS4 for the girlfriend. Coming around tax time is just about perfect. I'll buy.

 

[TeddyShardik]

No one is forcing you to buy it nor do we care. You still get all the games on your current PS4 so nothing changes for you. If you want be pissy because you hate the idea of iterations on consoles that's your problem.

The only reason I'm "getting pissy" is because apparently the only valid choice here is to gobble everything up that is offered to you.
If you can't handle me saying I don't want it then that's on you.

I'm not telling anyone in this thread how to feel about this or what to do with their money so I don't know what the problem is.

Dude, you do have a choice not to buy it. You think a new PC will be any cheaper?

And that's all I said in my original post. Sony can keep it.
And no, PC is not cheaper but I know I would get much more mileage out of it at this point.

 

[Jacknapes]

I'll probably buy a NEO only if my current PS4 breaks since i'm fine with the current PS4. I expect all PS4 and NEO supported games to work out of the box for PS5 anyway, so it'll be an even more enhanced experience and better bang for buck.

Same here. Neo sounds promising, however as i don't currently have a 4kTV, i don't see the need to upgrade my current PS4. As all current (and future) PS4 games will work on both the base model and Neo, there's no need for me to upgrade as of yet.

 

[Sanctuary]

The only reason I'm "getting pissy" is because apparently the only valid choice here is to gobble everything up that is offered to you.

Not sure how you inferred this. Just seems like yet another example of someone who feels like they need to be upset by something, and will go out of their way to do so, even if there's not actually a reason to.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

The only reason I'm "getting pissy" is because apparently the only valid choice here is to gobble everything up that is offered to you.
If you can't handle me saying I don't want it then that's on you.

I have not seen a single person trying to force the idea of buying a Neo on someone that doesn't want it. On the other hand I have seen tons of comments of people that don't want the Neo to exist for others to enjoy simply because they don't want it.

 

[TeddyShardik]

Not sure how you inferred this. Just seems like yet another example of someone who feels like they need to be upset by something, and will go out of their way to do so, even if there's not actually a reason to.

I just said I'm done buying consoles(if this practice becomes a trend) and investing in a pc which was met with a snarky remark about people overreacting.
So this choice is apparently not valid somehow or at least you can't say it.

 

[Darklor01]

Same here. Neo sounds promising, however as i don't currently have a 4kTV, i don't see the need to upgrade my current PS4. As all current (and future) PS4 games will work on both the base model and Neo, there's no need for me to upgrade as of yet.

Absolutely right. It definitely isn't a need to keep playing the upcoming or existing games. There isn't a guarantee for frame rate improvement, or anything really. Not even a guarantee of a 4K Blu Ray player. It's a purchase option.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I just said I'm done buying consoles(if this practice becomes a trend) and investing in a pc which was met with a snarky remark about people overreacting.
So this choice is apparently not valid somehow or at least you can't say it.

What's stopping you from investing in a gaming PC now? Nothing regarding PC gaming will change as a result of iterative consoles becoming commonplace.

Absolutely right. It definitely isn't a need to keep playing the upcoming or existing games. There isn't a guarantee for frame rate improvement, or anything really. Not even a guarantee of a 4K Blu Ray player. It's a purchase option.

You might want to wait until the product is officially revealed before speaking of guarantees.

 

[Sanctuary]

I just said I'm done buying consoles(if this practice becomes a trend) and investing in a pc which was met with a snarky remark about people overreacting.
So this choice is apparently not valid somehow or at least you can't say it.

You talk about voting with your wallet, and buying a PC. The replies that were given make sense considering a) PC will cost more and b) you'll eventually need to upgrade the PC too.

Not only do you not have to buy a new PS4, no one suggested that you had to. Not everything has to turn into some kind of movement.

 

[TeddyShardik]

I have not seen a single person trying to force the idea of buying a Neo on someone that doesn't want it. On the other hand I have seen tons of comments of people that don't want the Neo to exist for others to enjoy simply because they don't want it.

Well then I'm kinda screwed here. I don't want it but don't care if someone else wants it. But me not wanting it could contribute to it not existing in future iterations. No way out of that one I guess.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I have not seen a single person trying to force the idea of buying a Neo on someone that doesn't want it. On the other hand I have seen tons of comments of people that don't want the Neo to exist for others to enjoy simply because they don't want it.

How about for the reason of how it impacts the bigger picture and the long term rammifications of the console market as well as the impact on development? Plenty of people have given reasons to not want it for valid reasons.

 

[malboroking]

I just said I'm done buying consoles(if this practice becomes a trend) and investing in a pc which was met with a snarky remark about people overreacting.
So this choice is apparently not valid somehow or at least you can't say it.

If you hate the idea of iterative consoles, you're going to just love having a gaming PC.

 

[Darklor01]

You talk about voting with your wallet, and buying a PC. The replies that were given make sense considering a) PC will cost more and b) you'll eventually need to upgrade the PC too.

Not only do you not have to buy a new PS4, no one suggested that you had to. Not everything has to turn into some kind of movement.

Yep. There isn't a forced upgrade here. The older system will still play the games same as the new one will. The costs of a new Vid card, Ram and CPU on PC are likely up there with the costs of a more powerful console,no? The old Stuff in a PC prior to upgrade will still run games (until they can't) and then need upgrade to keep up with software at some point. I'm just thinking the cost factors are similar between options of PC and consoles after the initial investment of building a PC in terms of upgrades vs. buying iterative consoles.. No?

 

[TeddyShardik]

You talk about voting with your wallet, and buying a PC. The replies that were given make sense considering a) PC will cost more and b) you'll eventually need to upgrade the PC too.

Not only do you not have to buy a new PS4, no one suggested that you had to. Not everything has to turn into some kind of movement.

Of course I will need to upgrade a PC at some point but given the choice now I would rather put my money towards that than buying a console again that plays the same games as the one I already have.

I don't know how I'm overreacting by saying that I don't want a Neo.

It's not about organizing some kind of protest or boycott, just simply my choice not to buy the thing. While being a little bit bitter admittedly.

If you hate the idea of iterative consoles, you're going to just love having a gaming PC.

Well, expectation plays a big part in my aversion to iterative consoles here. I know I have to uograde some parts every now and then with a pc. For a console I expect more until the next box comes around. I admit that maybe that expectation isn't too realistic anymore but it is what it is.

 

[finalflame]

When did I say it was evil?

"Anti-consumer". The Neo is hurting nobody other than your made-up belief that its existence somehow harms existing PS4 owners.

 

[CosmicQueso]

How about for the reason of how it impacts the bigger picture and the long term rammifications of the console market as well as the impact on development? Plenty of people have given reasons to not want it for valid reasons.

Well, many current developers and publishers have come out and said it's not a big deal to development.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

If it's really launching in Q1 2017 then I suspect a RAM upgrade is to blame. In the long run, it's a good thing but it might weaken 2016 Christmas sales a bit.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

How about for the reason of how it impacts the bigger picture and the long term rammifications of the console market as well as the impact on development? Plenty of people have given reasons to not want it for valid reasons.

Well we are past that point now so the market will determine whether it is a product that should exist. I

If it's really launching in Q1 2017 then I suspect a RAM upgrade is to blame. In the long run, it's a good thing but it might weaken 2016 Christmas sales a bit.

It would be silly to announce a 2017 release in September and hurt their holiday sales. House said they wanted to follow the Apple model so it should be releasing by November at the latest.

 

[Hellgardia]

I think they will try to push the neo for a xmas release because otherwise they would lose a lot of sales

 

[Clarkus Darkus]

In an ideal world i would be able to afford a 4KTV, Neo, PSVR

Reality is i cant, Adult life and all that..... Probably will buy PSVR before the other two anyway when i can afford it.

 

[Darklor01]

I think they will try to push the neo for a xmas release because otherwise they would lose a lot of sales

My guess is Sept/Oct release. Probably September my guess. I think I'd read something about them wanting to release in their fiscal Q1 which would be no later than end of Sept. Can't remember quite where I'd read that, so no source at the moment.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

My guess is Sept/Oct release. Probably September my guess. I think I'd read something about them wanting to release in their fiscal Q1 which would be no later than end of Sept. Can't remember quite where I'd read that, so no source at the moment.

What? Sony's fiscal year ends in March 2017.

 

[anothertech]

Anyone expecting a change in form/design? I mean the size may be bigger (or smaller). What about the shape of the console? ports placement etc..
Just like Xbox One S.

I'm guessing it will look something like this, and they will call it Orbis 2.

Really though, it would be cool if they made the more powerful box slimmer and more sleek than the original, just cause they can. Who knows though.

 

[j-wood]

So is Sony making the mistake they made with the ps3 all over again here?

Thinking that power is what put them in first place, not price AND power.

 

[Rellik]

I'm guessing it will look something like this, and they will call it Orbis 2.

Really though, it would be cool if they made the more powerful box slimmer and more sleek than the original, just cause they can. Who knows though.

I hope it's bigger for airflow and noise levels. Last thing I want is smaller with that brick inside it.

 

[Guymelef]

So is Sony making the mistake they made with the ps3 all over again here?

Thinking that power is what put them in first place, not price AND power.

Yeah, Neo will be $599 and the only PS4 model available.

 

[Theonik]

Really though, it would be cool if they made the more powerful box slimmer and more sleek than the original, just cause they can. Who knows though.

This is always a dubious claim. There is no 'because they can' here in the truest sense. It's all a sense of trade-offs. I would argue that making the box smaller leaves space where a system could be more powerful for instance or maybe quieter. Such compromises should be made accounting for the system's form and function and not simple 'because we can' mentality.

 

[Darklor01]

What? Sony's fiscal year ends in March 2017.

I got that wrong too eh? I have to find the article I'd read it in to correct my issues.

 

[Inuhanyou]

So is Sony making the mistake they made with the ps3 all over again here?

Thinking that power is what put them in first place, not price AND power.

Uh, if that was the case, they would not be launching this year and would be launching next year for greater power.

All indications are they are launching at a cheap price point and early on.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

So is Sony making the mistake they made with the ps3 all over again here?

Thinking that power is what put them in first place, not price AND power.

Three things:
1. Xbox One has been cheaper than PS4 for a long time now.
2. Neo will likely be significantly cheaper than Scorpio next Fall.
3. The base PS4 still exists and will be the best-selling and main SKU for the foreseeable future.

 

[Darklor01]

The company’s fiscal year started on April 1 and ends on September 30. If releasing in September, the console would hit shelves just in time for the October 2016 release of PlayStation VR.

https://www.vg247.com/2016/05/13/sonys-ps4-neo-to-be-released-before-the-end-of-september-report/

So the quote comes from an article back in May. There is another article speculating based on this quote that they would release before end of fiscal year. Edit: if I'm misreading more specifically before release of PSVR.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

https://www.vg247.com/2016/05/13/sonys-ps4-neo-to-be-released-before-the-end-of-september-report/

So the quote comes from an article back in May. There is another article speculating based on this quote that they would release before end of fiscal year. Edit: if I'm misreading more specifically before release of PSVR.

That is a really badly worded article! So this is saying the console will arrive in the first half of the fiscal year which would end on September 30th.

I have to say it makes some sense given the September 7th reveal date we now know. My guess was for November.

 

[Darklor01]

That is a really badly worded article! So this is saying the console will arrive in the first half of the fiscal year which would end on September 30th.

I have to say it makes some sense given the September 7th reveal date we now know. My guess was for November.

Agreed on it being really badly worded, not to make excuses for my really bad interpretation of the wording. Either way, it seems to line up with other information I've read speculating on release timing, assuming nothing delays or changes release for upgrades or whatever.

 

[Lady Gaia]

... let's not act like Neo is some benevolent gift from Sony to give people more choice. It exists to boost sales and to stop Microsoft from encroaching on Sony's market share.

The PS4 wasn't a benevolent gift either, nor is any other commercial product. They're offerings intended to find a willing audience who sees enough value in the product to pay the asking price. That's the basic premise of the consumer marketplace.

Yes that's how the majority of tech is nowadays.

That's how all tech has always been. It gets better over time, so you should buy it with the expectation that getting to use it in the meantime is where you find value.

 

[onQ123]

32X , Anti consumer, Ignorant Sony back , Never buying a console again , Oh My!



what's going on here? I thought we were past this stage already.

 

[Metfanant]

So is Sony making the mistake they made with the ps3 all over again here?

Thinking that power is what put them in first place, not price AND power.

You might have something there if the Neo was replacing the PS4...however it's being released in addition to the PS4