THE:MILKMAN
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Pre-reveal jitters.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Pre-reveal jitters.
Sanctuary
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They are trying to push 4K TVs too, not just consoles. I doubt there will be that many early adopters for the Neowhatever, and Sony is just getting it out there for those that already have a 4K TV, as well as those on the fence for various reasons. There aren't very many affordable stand alone UHD players either, so in a way, you would simply be getting a UHD player that also happens to be able to play games. Also, eventually this could simply be looked at as the "new" Slim, since prices will invariably drop, and the OG PS4 will cease production.
Darklor01
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I'm being honest when I say I wasn't paying attn to the reception of the One S. Was it received the way Neo is currently being talked about? Are they truly different animals? I kind of personally see them as kind of the same idea in releasing a more powerful version of the same system, though there is that whole Neo Mode thing vs. all games possibly taking advantage of more power regardless of their release date. One S buyers know another, more powerful version is on the horizon whereas with Neo, there isn't any such info. Did One S receive as much flak for being even more subject to a new iteration coming than Neo with no announcement on a more powerful option coming?
To replicate the Sega 32x debacle, you'd have to have the NEO as a Sony of USA initiative released one year before the introduction of the Saturn/PS5 by Sony/Sega of Japan. You'd then follow up by discontinuing the Megadrive/32x/PS4 inspite of strong initial sales.
The PS4neo would also have to be a a add on that explicitly required a base PS4 system.
You'd then also have to kill the Megadrive/Gensis/PS4 after the release of the Saturn/PS4neo while also making sure the PS4neo/Saturn was backwards incompatible.
It's a pretty long bow to draw, especially when we've been having annual updates for electronics and hardware revisions in every other product field.
anothertech
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But liquid cooled! Alien technology! Time travel and all that! Common' guys!
CosmicQueso
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Don't forget "it's bad for developers" because that one's back too.
Guess either people were on spring break the first time this thread happened or have forgotten it?
Badlucktroll
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I have a feeling this console will be more like an xbox one s (basic 4k upscaling, uhd, no huge differences), and not like the scorpio which is a major upgrade
Marty Chinn
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And other developers said otherwise. It's funny how we cherry pick the things for confirmation bias and ignore or discredit anything that doesn't fit.
We were past that point back then because it was clearly happening; that doesn't change the fact that there are valid and reasonable reasons to not be for iterative consoles which is what I'm replying to.
No, this is clearly more like Scorpio than the Xbox One S.
You're wrong games will be rendered in 4K not upscaled
It has 2.3x the GPU and a faster CPU versus an 11% faster GPU and no CPU changes. It's not similar to the One S, it's very much like Scorpio.
Hexa
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I don't think saying plain 4K without checkerboard, extrapolated, or some other modifier isn't entirely fair for the vast majority of games.
I really hope they get the semi-4K options working well enough for every game to use them effectively though.
Yeah, we're going to need some shorthand for reconstructed 4k.
4k-ish
Rising_Hei
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2-3 times the power isn't exactly a generational gap, that's why i wouldn't call it PS5 either.
Crimson_Gold
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3.5k
gundamkyoukai
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How it will impact the market is something we have to wait and see what happens .
It's impact on development will depend on how easy sony makes things but some will like it while other won't .
Reading a lot of neo threads and a lot people reasons seem to makes no sense.
For eg it going to make PS4 games worst some how is not something i would call valid
Hexa
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SEGAvangelist
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johnnydrama
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2160pr sounds about right.
FauxK is the obvious answer
Depends if Scorpio reuses the weak Jaguar CPU.
This isn't an iPhone. Did anyone leak pictures of the Xbox1 S?
LukasTaves
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If you read PR Phil actually did said the slim was more powerful.
He was very careful in his words to say that the S wasn't designed to be more powerful than xbone and that users shouldn't buy it hoping for games to improve. It was basically yeah, it's a bit faster due the shrink but we are not making a big deal oit of it.
Are we even sure the slim is a real thing? I thought part of what brought Neo to reality was that when Sony began investigating the process for die shrinks on the PS4, R&D was cheaper to use better hardware, the to shrink the existing stuff?
No way in heck.
Crimson_Gold
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We thirsty, wachie
Marty Chinn
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No, but other console revisions have leaked in the past.
I personally can't wait for this thing. I can sell my ps4 now, and then essentially get a better ps4 that is also a 4k blu ray player for around two hundo. Sounds pretty pro-consumer to me seeing as the alternative is to spend 400 on a 4k bku ray player and just have a regular old ps4 still.
vpance
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Neo will be individually hand crafted, so no Foxconn.
jetsetnickradio
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Not a chance. 4K at 30 FPS costs significantly more power than 1080p at 60 FPS and no developer is going to want to optimize their game to run smoothly at both settings (plus a vanilla PS4 setting).
I expect we'll see FF15 at 1080 4xMSAA+SMAA or checkerboard rendering with locked 30fps. PS4 will probably stay variable 1080p, with 1080p being in general run of play and res going down under high stress scenarios with basic FXAA and mostly solid 30(mostly)
To be fair, even in 2019 when the PS5 supposedly comes out, its not going to be feasible to sell something 10x the power of PS4 at 399 i think.
I'm thinking more like a 5x jump of 8 to 10tflops for the GPU, and a i7 level CPU from 2011 if Zen metrics hold up. 16GB HBM3 hopefully will be viable around that time too.
To be fair, even in 2019 when the PS5 supposedly comes out, its not going to be feasible to sell something 10x the power of PS4 at 399 i think.
I'm thinking more like a 5x jump of 8 to 10tflops for the GPU, and a i7 level CPU from 2011 if Zen metrics hold up. 16GB HBM3 hopefully will be viable around that time too.
Jack The Nipper
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Scorpio comes out at the end of 17. I actually think not it is thier new system and not just xbone elite..
I do think Sony is planning ps5 for for 19
This puts microsoft in the toughest spot imo they want to get away from Xbox one imo
In the end more power isn't making better games though, that has been most evident this gen without doubt
They want to move over to Scorpio but they only have a year and a half before they are behind again.
This is what I think will happen and playstation vr needs neo to run better looking games is why I think it was tried to push with it. But sure it's going to make it near it or what.
I think when Scorpio was launched it put Sony back to discussion in a hard way.
Because it's not?
Rellik
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Your big PS exclusives are still going to run on your PS4. They're just not going to look as pretty.
anothertech
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lol. Badenergytroll indeed.
I think people will be pleasantly surprised how much difference 4.3teraflops will make. 6tf will be better, for sure. But 12tf will blow that away. Etc etc. XboneS however is still an Xbone.
Hell yes.
Can't tell if this a parody post or just nonsense.
I love how this thread getting bumped has taken us full circle back into panic mode responses.
If a Dreamcast 2 was to release with tile based rendering & was able to achieve 4K because of the more efficient TBDR would we have to say it's not 4K?
Just because they are able to achieve 4K in a more efficient way does not mean it shouldn't have the right to be called 4K.
If Nintendo next console use TBDR do we say that it's not the resolution that it's outputting just because it's not doing it in one pass?
Why are people so worried about annotating temporal reconstruction for 4K content when we haven't had as much outcry regarding similar tricks at 1080p? Okay, there was something of a fuss around Killzone, but I thought we got over it not long after that. Besides which, in practice the vast majority of AAA gaming is going to be upscaled from some kind of intermediate resolution. Isn't it going to be exhausting bickering over 4K-from-1800p-with-quarter-pixel-shading-half-pixel-coverage?
In practice titles are going to mostly be 1080p or "faux-K." True 4K native titles will be so few and far between and so obvious in their compromises on other fronts that I don't think we'll be clamoring for more of them.
In practice titles are going to mostly be 1080p or "faux-K." True 4K native titles will be so few and far between and so obvious in their compromises on other fronts that I don't think we'll be clamoring for more of them.
dragonzdogma
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Had we ever had an official console trading program to upgrade your console. By official I mean not using stores like game stop and how good were they,what can we expect sony to offer for those willing to upgrade ps4 to ps4 4k?
Probably nothing...Sony is in the market to make money, the Neo is a premium product, aimed at enthusiasts