A whole lotta PSSRtakes!Please, don’t even think about stopping people from posting! I’ve already gone through five buckets of popcorn just watching the epic battles between hardcore PC gamers and the ever-enthusiastic PS5 fans. Keep the show going!
Go PS5 PRO Go !!! I love PSSR with passion
Right, so they don't look better, I see.
I think you missed my point. PSSRs main advantage will be on third party games, especially heavy UE5 titles that have terrible image quality on PS5. Some of these games go below 720p internal resolution which results in garbage IQ. The games underneath actually look incredible beneath that as we can see on their PC versions. PSSR will unlock games such as Alan Wake 2, Avatar and Black Myth Wukong and will look incredible. PS5 first party games already have good IQ because they are higher resolution because they aren't pushing the tech as hard in other areas, hence my post.
And my point is that they just push as hard as they need to without screwing up things like IQ hoping that in the future hardware will brute force fix issues they have now.
Of course I do, but PSSR will show it's true potential with those heavier UE5 games, because they have poor IQ, so the difference will be greater. Yes Horizon is the most impressive of Sony's first party this gen but it still shows it's cross gen roots. It offers no RT features and it shows. The next Horizon game will show what a studio like Guerrilla can really do when unshackled from the Playstation 4.
Well it depends on the IQ issues, if it is merely because it is low resolution, then sure, PSSR can fix that, if it is because of other issues, such as artifacts, shimmering, aliasing issues etc then PSSR will more than likely not fix those issues (you can train AI to do impressive things so who knows)
You guys really need to wait for Digital Foundry to do their work before drawing any conclusions on which is better.
Which is why all watched the high quality video from IGN showing the same very promising results. Talking about the PS5 vs PS5 Pro comparisons of course.Comparing temporal solutions in screenshots..
When was this shown?
The latest DF direct on Patreon. PSSR has some ghosting and shimmering issues but they are relatively minor.
DLSS has no image issues?
Did I claim that? They put up PSSR vs DLSS, DLSS had no shimmering on distant foliage, PSSR did. DLSS also handled motion better.
They were using the 65GB ProRes file that Sony provided them. Not trailer footage.
Judging by the performance increases DF are seeing vs his claims? Probably not.
What base resolution were they using? What cost on the GPU? we know PSSR costs 2ms on a 4070 like GPU. I mean sure if they use DLSS highest quality on a 4090 it will be better than DLSS medium quality on a 4070, right?
What do you mean by "jumping to conclusion"? I don't think they made any broad generalization for now. Based on the footage they were provided with, they determined that DLSS is better. They do stress that these are some quick and dirty patches without that much work behind them, so not sure why you're taking issue.
The supplied footage is similar in quality to what they use for capturing. It certainly won’t effect things like pixel counting, ghosting, and other upscaling artifacts.
Ratchet and Clank PSSR was 1440p-1800p upscaled to 4K vs DLSS Quality mode at 4K (so 1440p). PSSR had the resolution advantage and still couldn’t quite match DLSS. They were not comparing PC performance vs Pro performance at all, just image quality. As they also pointed out, PSSR will certainly improve over time, and these were quick patches to existing games while the developers are probably busy with making new games.
untill they have the gear with them , or any other tech sites for that matter , its not conclusive
Yeah, as long as it's significantly better than FSR, I'm happy. I honestly wasn't expecting it to beat DLSS, but I kept an open mind.
Yeah...which is what I said. However, I have the feeling that your problem lies elsewhere. I'm sure you'd be screaming from the rooftops if they had said PSSR was better, but since they didn't, you have a problem with them. Furthermore, no one said it was conclusive, so not sure who or what you're addressing.
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Right back at you. I’m not the one fanboying over a little bit of data and crying about something DF never said.
They have uncompressed footage from Sony themselves. You can't get much better right now in terms of actual insight.
better to wait when they get the hardware
Sure but there are quality settings to DLSS too (like FSR) that can have a big impact on final quality, unsurprisingly.
What other quality settings are you referring to? You’re also dramatically overstating the difference in frame time rendering difference between a 4070 and a 4090 for DLSS it’s something like 0.4ms. You have to drop to a 2060 Super before DLSS has a frame time cost of 2ms at 4K. But performance doesn’t really matter in this comparison as they are just straight up comparing upscaling image quality.
I'm not sure you understand how the tests were conducted. Zathalus said the following: Ratchet and Clank PSSR was 1440p-1800p upscaled to 4K vs DLSS Quality mode at 4K (so 1440p). PSSR had the resolution advantage and still couldn’t quite match DLSS.
The improvements shown actually look better in pictures than I seen of DLSS.
Looking at the presentation Forbidden West looks to have a nice upgraded lighting system so we might not have to wait for the next one.
I guess you can wait until Monday to watch the video yourself but the advantages of DLSS are pretty clear in the video comparison. As I said it’s nothing major but they are there nonetheless.
Honestly that's pretty decent.I never expected it to beat dlss but if the difference aren't major then they did a good job in the first try.
Looking forward to it.
DF are very positive on it, and it’s quite the upgrade compared to FSR. It’s minor stuff really, and will only improve over time.
Exactly, no one apart from chief and
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expected it to top DLSS anyway. Oh and soulzbourne obv
Exactly! I don't understand the negative sentiment and some are ridiculing the low rez but I'm looking at that as PSSR is good enough to still look like fidelity mode at 60 that's impressive screw the resolution it's all about image quality.
We should want it to be even better than DLSS right or do we have a agenda?Exactly, no one apart from chief and
