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PS5 reportedly won’t have its own Xbox Smart Delivery alternative

009EspadaSageJay

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Cross buy was targeted for vita owners above anything else since people werent buying vita games they had to be bundled in digitally for certain games. Most of the games sony did cross-buy for were for indie games heres the giant bomb list of cross buy games that were available for the ps3,vita and ps4. MS offering crossbuy for cyberpunk is leagues better then what sony offered by a mile if I wanted to play FFX on the ps4,ps3 and vita I would have to buy each version separately. FF7 OG on ps3/vita is the same thing along with MGS 1,2,3 and PW and almost every RE 1-6 + spin offs.
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Cross Buy Games - Giant Bomb

Sony's official initiative of bundling multiple PlayStation versions of a game into a single purchase/package.
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009EspadaSageJay

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Zekra Dezivad said:
It was rare, but existed.
PS All Star on PS3 supported Cross buy on retail. You had the digital license of the PSVita version on the bluray.
Iirc also Ratchet & Clank Q Force had cross buy for the retail PS3 and digital Vita version.
I suppose it didn't had too much success back then bc it became rarer and rarer
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it was targeted for vita owners since most people werent buying the vita versions of those games.
 
JLB

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jakinov said:
The devs are still going to create two versions of the game. The devs just give the Xbox Series X version to Microsoft and Microsoft either will do a delta update or replace your Xbox One version with the series X version on your storage. Most services that offer cross-buy do it digitally, so it's just a trivial IF platform IS series_X THEN download this. For digital it's not that interesting. What's new/interesting is that they will let you do this with a retail copy. So when you go to install they will either replace or update your game files if there's a better version. It's not very complex of a system, but it's great for consumers, Sony could do it relatively quickly but they probably don't care and rather you buy two copies.
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I mean, of course. Its not that you send 1080p images to Microsoft and they return to you high definition assets. Or that animations are going to get automagically better. What I guess, without knowing the technology, is that Smart Delivery is under the hood a set of tools to make the asset management process simpler.
BTW, that trivial IF is quite naive. Delivering high definition assets requires at a very least a good infrastructure in place to streamline the asset access. Its definitely not a 5 minutes thing.
 
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jakinov

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JLB said:
I mean, of course. Its not that you send 1080p images to Microsoft and they return to you high definition assets. Or that animations are going to get automagically better. What I guess, without knowing the technology, is that Smart Delivery is under the hood a set of tools to make the asset management process simpler.
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My point was that from a dev standpoint they just make two copies of the game like always. The feature does nothing to help with making the development easier. The dev simply gives Microsoft the next-gen copy of the game to them (this was said by one of the Xbox tech leads and not from my ass). Then Microsoft is just checking what platform you are on and gives you the right files. It's just cross-generation cross-buy that works with retail too. The craziest thing Microsoft can do is delta updates to save you bandwidth which isn't even crazy. If they are doing anything more complicated than that, than they are probably doing it wrong. It's a great consumer feature but very very likely nothing crazy under the hood. The name they chose and their marketing just hypes it up.
 
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jakinov said:
My point was that from a dev standpoint they just make two copies of the game like always. The feature does nothing to help with making the development easier. The dev simply gives Microsoft the next-gen copy of the game to them (this was said by one of the Xbox tech leads and not from my ass). Then Microsoft is just checking what platform you are on and gives you the right files. It's just cross-generation cross-buy that works with retail too. The craziest thing Microsoft can do is delta updates to save you bandwidth which isn't even crazy. If they are doing anything more complicated than that, than they are probably doing it wrong. It's a great consumer feature but very very likely nothing crazy under the hood. The name they chose and their marketing just hypes it up.
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And while the xbox fan talks about Smart Delivery, he forgets to note that when you focus on marketing on secondary features, it's because you don't have the main one, GAMES.


But the important thing for them is to talk nonsense about the Playstation, it doesn't matter if the xbox passed the entire generation without ONE GOTY Nominated game.

the important thing is to have a fancy name for crossbuy and to say that Sony will not have it.


That's why the xbox is in that state.

what an xbox fan should be concerned about:

A) High quality games, with high marks and GOTYs indications.

B) Say that Sony will not have a game patch update.
 
Dolomite

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K' Dash said:
What is it with PS fanboys that every time someone mentions smart delivery they get salty AF?

Show me where is Sony's statement that I won't have to buy a PS5 remaster of TloU2 and Ghost of Tsushima.

Cause I know that I will be buying Cyberpunk on Xbox One X once and I'll play the Xbox Series X version as soon as I buy the console.

I think if Sony had a system in place for this they would have already said something, now they're just looking bad.

Also patting Sony in the head for being anti consumer and charging twice for games you already bought is corporate boot licking at it's finest, we should all be supporting smart delivery so the other players implement their own version.
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Dude I don't know what it is but it looks a lot like envy. When PS now and PS+ launch this gen I was amazed and even a bit jealous but never shit on it. It pushes the industry, why hate on a great feature just because your platform of choice hasn't gone all in yet? Like would they complain if Sony adopted the same model?
 
Dolomite

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The biggest difference, aside from backward and forward compatibility on a single disk, seems to be MS going ALL IN. All 1st party titles from thier 15 studios guaranteed to support this is a good start. If nothing Xbox gamers can rely on MS to see it through until 3 parties get onboard, and not give up on it if it doesn't prove popular
 
sendit

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DeepEnigma said:
It’s called Cross Buy, they have had it since the PS3 and always left it up to them.

Just like Microsoft is leaving it up to the third parties as well. You can’t force them, but I guess you can financially assist them through marketing deals and the like.
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Yup. Smart Delivery is just another buzz word for what you described.

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JLB

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Deto said:
And while the xbox fan talks about Smart Delivery, he forgets to note that when you focus on marketing on secondary features, it's because you don't have the main one, GAMES.


But the important thing for them is to talk nonsense about the Playstation, it doesn't matter if the xbox passed the entire generation without ONE GOTY Nominated game.

the important thing is to have a fancy name for crossbuy and to say that Sony will not have it.


That's why the xbox is in that state.

what an xbox fan should be concerned about:

A) High quality games, with high marks and GOTYs indications.

B) Say that Sony will not have a game patch update.
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XbOx HaZ nO gAmEz AkChUALlY!
 
JLB

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jakinov said:
My point was that from a dev standpoint they just make two copies of the game like always. The feature does nothing to help with making the development easier. The dev simply gives Microsoft the next-gen copy of the game to them (this was said by one of the Xbox tech leads and not from my ass). Then Microsoft is just checking what platform you are on and gives you the right files. It's just cross-generation cross-buy that works with retail too. The craziest thing Microsoft can do is delta updates to save you bandwidth which isn't even crazy. If they are doing anything more complicated than that, than they are probably doing it wrong. It's a great consumer feature but very very likely nothing crazy under the hood. The name they chose and their marketing just hypes it up.
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tbh no idea, but i dont think its a trivial system, but who knows? maybe thats the case.
 
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MastaKiiLA

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Damigos said:
Sony already had it. Its called Cross-buy. They dont need to market it again
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It probably isn't a major bullet point, because it's not a high-volume feature. I don't think there is a huge market for cross-play/buy/whatever type of games. It's like game share. Forums will make a big deal out of it, but really it's the vocal minority. I doubt the vast majority of gamers even know about some of these ancillary features. They don't really move the needle, as far as console sales are concerned.
 
Geki-D

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Bojanglez

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So does Smart Delivery actually inhibit consumer choices? What if I want to play the Xbox One version of the game on its purist form on the XSX 😆

With cross-buy you'd have the ability to choose which SKU you install and play.
 
The Hamburglar

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trapanesenyc said:
Xbox will do upgrades in house for developers that won't do it on their own. They went on a whole marketing push for their tech that adds HDR to games that didn't have it prior. So we may actually see 4k hdr games on the XsX but the base game only on the PS5 since it's done internally for some games.
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Now you’re confusing their BC with smart delivery

Jesus Christ and people say Sony aren't clear on their messaging.

read my other post -the cyber punk devs have said there will be no series x version ready at launch
 
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ZywyPL

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As expected. My take is that whenever there will be a cross-buy option between PS4/PS5, it will be the same as PS4 Pro patches, where at the end of the day, yes, the games on PS5 will be the beefed up versions, but there will be tons of lower quality (PS4) assets sitting on the SSD that won't be used at all, as oppose to SmartDelivery that will install only the assets the particular console will actually use.

But I'm curios about the next-gen game sizes, supposedly without needing to duplicate the same assets 20-40x, the overall size might be so small that it won't matter if there are some unused assets on the drive or not.
 
SaucyJack

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Let's have another go at this:

The story so far .....

In the PS3 and PS4 gens Sony had something called Cross-buy which was pretty extensive between PS3 and Vita and PS4 and Vita, and to a limited extent between PS3 and PS4. This was a welcome feature but underutilised.

For PS3 and PS4 and for Xbox 360 and XBO there were many games that were remastered, by both first and third parties that you could buy anew. These were typically significant upgrades on the original game. Neither company has any moral high ground on this.

Mid current gen Xbox changed the conversation by introducing and then continuing to enhance backwards compatibility, BC that often allowed the game to run better than the original in terms of resolution and frame rate. This was also very welcome but came a couple of years too late to move the dial on console sales.

And even though it brings improvements, BC is not a like for like replacement for remasters, 360 Halo 3 and MCC Halo 3 are miles apart in quality.

Next gen ....

Having moved current gen to more "PC like" architectures then next gen are far more compatible with current and therefore both PlayStation and Xbox appear to be offering more or less complete BC for current gen titles on Nextgen. And in both cases that BC will come with enhancements made possible by running old games on better hardware.

Sony do not have first party PS5 games that will run on PS4 whilst Microsoft first party games will be cross-gen for the first year or two.

I'm speculating, as this is not yet confirmed, that Sony will offer PS5 enhanced versions of first party titles (akin to a PS4 Pro patch) offering more than would come from running the games in PS5 native mode, and that these enhancements will be free if you already owned the game on PS4. PS5 remasters of PS4 games will probably not be a thing as it's far easier to "patch in" enhancements, the need for a remaster is not really there to the same extent. And before people say Demon's Souls, that's a remake of an early PS3 game.

So in the end of the day I'm left asking how much of a differentiator is "Smart Delivery" really? Sure it sounds like an easy way of managing your cross-gen library, but I'm not convinced it's really offering anything substantially more than PS5's BC when it comes to current gen games.
 
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JerryinSoCal

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Hostile_18 said:
So smart delivery is supported by ALL first party games and encouraged to all third party developers.

Cross buy is used once in a blue moon by the company introducing it.

I get liking Sony games but people can't see the difference?
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This is what you get when one company is making their 1st party games cross-gen and the other isn't, how can Sony have "smart delivery" if they aren't making cross gen to begin with? You are getting the PS5 version because that's the only version there is.
 
Kumomeme

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as other mention crossbuy..probably sony think that there is no need to reannounce fancy name for this features

but they need to properly highlight this..or people will end up think that they didnt have any of this stuff.
 
T-Cake

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So I'm presuming this Smart Delivery/Cross-Buy system still requires you to use a disc for the licence check if you are not digital? They're not just going to grant you a digital copy of an "optimized for series x" game so that you can then dispense with the Xbone disc?

I don't know how that worked back in the day on PS3/4. Did Destiny cross-buy only work with digital editions?
 
SaucyJack

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T-Cake said:
So I'm presuming this Smart Delivery/Cross-Buy system still requires you to use a disc for the licence check if you are not digital? They're not just going to grant you a digital copy of an "optimized for series x" game so that you can then dispense with the Xbone disc?

I don't know how that worked back in the day on PS3/4. Did Destiny cross-buy only work with digital editions?
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So on the only games I did this with e.g. COD Ghosts, the PS3 disk required to be inserted in the PS4 every time you wanted to play it as a license check but to all intents and purposes you had the digital version installed on the PS4 (as the PS4 game wasn't on the PS3 disk).

Obviously if you go all digital nextgen on PS5 (and Series X if there is such an option) then you are going to be shit outta luck on BC with disk based games. And rightly so, this will be a transparent and obvious consequence of your choice to go all digital.
 
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The Hamburglar

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SaucyJack said:
Let's have another go at this:

The story so far .....

In the PS3 and PS4 gens Sony had something called Cross-buy which was pretty extensive between PS3 and Vita and PS4 and Vita, and to a limited extent between PS3 and PS4. This was a welcome feature but underutilised.

For PS3 and PS4 and for Xbox 360 and XBO there were many games that were remastered, by both first and third parties that you could buy anew. These were typically significant upgrades on the original game. Neither company has any moral high ground on this.

Mid current gen Xbox changed the conversation by introducing and then continuing to enhance backwards compatibility, BC that often allowed the game to run better than the original in terms of resolution and frame rate. This was also very welcome but came a couple of years too late to move the dial on console sales.

And even though it brings improvements, BC is not a like for like replacement for remasters, 360 Halo 3 and MCC Halo 3 are miles apart in quality.

Next gen ....

Having moved current gen to more "PC like" architectures then next gen are far more compatible with current and therefore both PlayStation and Xbox appear to be offering more or less complete BC for current gen titles on Nextgen. And in both cases that BC will come with enhancements made possible by running old games on better hardware.

Sony do not have first party PS5 games that will run on PS4 whilst Microsoft first party games will be cross-gen for the first year or two.

I'm speculating, as this is not yet confirmed, that Sony will offer PS5 enhanced versions of first party titles (akin to a PS4 Pro patch) offering more than would come from running the games in PS5 native mode, and that these enhancements will be free if you already owned the game on PS4. PS5 remasters of PS4 games will probably not be a thing as it's far easier to "patch in" enhancements, the need for a remaster is not really there to the same extent. And before people say Demon's Souls, that's a remake of an early PS3 game.

So in the end of the day I'm left asking how much of a differentiator is "Smart Delivery" really? Sure it sounds like an easy way of managing your cross-gen library, but I'm not convinced it's really offering anything substantially more than PS5's BC when it comes to current gen games.
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the confusion simply lies with classic xbox smoke and mirror marketing. Xbox have said they will support smart delivery etc and the masses have lapped it up believing this will apply to EVERY game. When in reality it is completely up to 3rd party devs if they want to support it or not. Some will not give a shit about releasing an updated version of an already released game. Others might not even bother releasing a next gen version and simply just release a current gen version knowing it will work on next gen via back compatibility.

tl:dr it is up to 3rd parties to support smart delivery or not. MS can't force it upon them.
 
SoloKingRobert

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Cross-buy - You'll purchase the game twice.

Smart Delivery - You'll purchase the game once and the console detects what version you're using.

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OneShotThrill

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Is Smart Delivery that confusing? This isn't new. Its new to Xbox. And it's up to Devs. I see some of you posters have no clue what you're talking about..

"Microsoft will provide the option of Smart Delivery to all developers and publishers, although games aren't mandated to support the feature. But as the next Xbox console approaches, consumers can take comfort in knowing some games will automatically remain at the forefront when you decide to upgrade."

It also remains unclear how the Xbox One and Xbox Series X will implement Smart Delivery. With Xbox increasingly favoring digital game distribution, Microsoft hasn't clarified whether both digital and physical discs will support the feature — or whether it'll be tied to a digital account license

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Xbox Smart Delivery for Xbox Series X, Series S: Everything you need to know

Automatically take your favorite games from Xbox One to Xbox Series X with Smart Delivery.
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SoloKingRobert

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OneShotThrill said:
Is Smart Delivery that confusing? This isn't new. Its new to Xbox. And it's up to Devs. I see some of you posters have no clue what you're talking about..

"Microsoft will provide the option of Smart Delivery to all developers and publishers, although games aren't mandated to support the feature. But as the next Xbox console approaches, consumers can take comfort in knowing some games will automatically remain at the forefront when you decide to upgrade."

It also remains unclear how the Xbox One and Xbox Series X will implement Smart Delivery. With Xbox increasingly favoring digital game distribution, Microsoft hasn't clarified whether both digital and physical discs will support the feature — or whether it'll be tied to a digital account license

Please read up before commenting
www.windowscentral.com

Xbox Smart Delivery for Xbox Series X, Series S: Everything you need to know

Automatically take your favorite games from Xbox One to Xbox Series X with Smart Delivery.
www.windowscentral.com www.windowscentral.com
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Cross-buy isn't new for Xbox, Xbox gamers can purchase tripe A games or Indies and play they on PC via Play Anywhere.

Smart Delivery was already confirmed to support physical and digital games.

Xbox Smart Delivery Optimized Badge on physical discs

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Smart Delivery is separate from backwards compatibility. A game that came out on the X1 will absolutely play on the Series X, however, it might not leverage the added horsepower of the console. Which means... 2. I’m still only buying a game once and... 3. This is effectively like Xbox One X. Some games are enhanced and others are not.

I think there are still people that think if something isn’t offered with smart delivery that they will have to buy it again (which is not the case). Xbox would do well to make the distinction stronger
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Source: Jason Ronald
 
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Nikana

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SoloKingRobert said:
Cross-buy isn't new for Xbox, Xbox gamers can purchase tripe A games or Indies and play they on PC via Play Anywhere.

Smart Delivery was already confirmed to support physical and digital games.



Source: Jason Ronald
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It seems instead of saying it supports cross saves, play anywhere, one And One X and series x they have rolled eveything into one phrase for the sake of simplicity.
 
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OneShotThrill

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SoloKingRobert said:
Cross-buy isn't new for Xbox
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Cross Buy isn't new for anyone. Smart Delivery is the new gen buzzword that seems to have people confused. Especially with the backwards compatible features. That's good to know they clarified on the digital/ physical support.
 
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