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PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Sales Comparison - June 2021 - Sales
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NickFire
Member
Gamepass has lead to the intersection of NPC's and console warriors.
Hitchyhero
Banned
I don't trust VGChartz but its obvious to anyone that Playstation would be leading the sales strongly. I don't get why people are patting themselves on the back here though..... Do people here have shares???
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Duchess
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Hobbygaming
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Hezekiah
Banned
I expect the Series S to only be successful in third-world countries.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Not on this playground
Xb1 had a literal pr shit storm before launch and changed the fundamentals of the product before launch. Gaming industry has grown so much too. These sales are mediocre at best.
No one likes seeing a multi trillion dollar company buy their way to dominance. Fuck Microsoft.
JerryinSoCal
Member
I agree, I don't see PS5 losing ground no matter how much some in the gaming media wish for it to happen but when both companies are selling everything they make what's the point of comparing? XSX/XSS beat PS5 in the US last month because MS shipped more consoles than Sony did.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Dude?! What the he'll?! The Series consoles are a part of the over all platform. Not THE platform like with Sony and Nintendo. I bet they have more GP subscribers than consoles sold at this point. And GP is damn near on all platforms aside from direct competition. Again, mere consoles sold isn't telling the full picture in Microsofts case. That's not Xbox misdirection. That's just a fact.
Shmunter
Member
Yeah, MS doesn’t care about game sales either. It’s all about engagement etc.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yes, because engagement drives subscriptions. Welcome to modern business.
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Shmunter
Member
Lots of things drive subscriptions. E.g $1 for 3 months. Exploiting stacking, etc. Probably the biggest drivers.
When games on the platform sell 1/4 that of the other, I guess there isn’t much choice but alter the point of reference.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Speaking of 1/4, game sales are only 1/4 of the total Playstation revenue. MTX and subscriptions are almost 1/2. The future is now, old man.
kingfey
Banned
Before anyone celebrates this like an Idiot, Remember this.
Sony ordered 80k waiver chips, While MS ordered 40k waiver chips. Amd had 150k, and kept 30k waiver.
It wont matter who sells higher. Since Sony will always make more consoles, due to the abundance waiver they have, while MS waiver is limited. Which explains the graphic data.
So the hardware sales should be 2:1 according to the waiver.
Hope this helps settle down the stupid sales data.
Once again, Both consoles aren't available on shelves. Once they are available on shelves like normal, is when both parties have enough waivers for production.
Sony ordered 80k waiver chips, While MS ordered 40k waiver chips. Amd had 150k, and kept 30k waiver.
It wont matter who sells higher. Since Sony will always make more consoles, due to the abundance waiver they have, while MS waiver is limited. Which explains the graphic data.
So the hardware sales should be 2:1 according to the waiver.
Hope this helps settle down the stupid sales data.
Once again, Both consoles aren't available on shelves. Once they are available on shelves like normal, is when both parties have enough waivers for production.
Mr Moose
Member
FTFY
kingfey
Banned
I doubt those do anything.
3 months passes by fast, and you are stuck with 10$/15$. Look at xbox launch. It launched no game, and now we are in july, and they releasing Flight simulator. Almost 8-9 months is passed since then.
For the stacking, you need to buy 3 years worth of xbox live, aka 180$ payments and taxes. Essentially, you are paying MS in advance.
People will generally keep the sub, due to the value it generates for them. No one is gonna cancel a sub, which costs 10$/15$ a month to play 475+ games. Buying a day 1 games costs 60$, or 70$ for next gen. How much do you think people will save for this sub. That is what regular people use, in order to justify the subs.
Forums people have no clue about valuable these service is to regular people.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
There is merit in cheering for your favorite company regarding console sales (not in a console warring way).
If the console/ecosystem/first-party studios you like has more sales, this means more revenue for that company. That ultimately translates to more first-party games, better and bigger partnerships, and more long-term support. You can be happy about the company you support doing well because ultimately you get more value as a consumer.
P.S. However, if one feels happy only because the company they don't like is doing well, then that's a fanboy console-warrish mentality.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Nah.
That would be true if MS accidentally added 40K to their AMD shopping cart when they actually wanted to order 80K. They ordered 40K because that's the demand they foresaw, and they were right as is evident by the down-trending scalper prices on Ebay (XSX down to ~$600-$700 and XSS down to $340* -- $400 with a $60 controller bundled in) and the fact that XSX and XSS are easily available off the shelf in many regions and countries.
Now, what would have happened if MS purchased 80K wafers and produced as much as Sony did? Supply would have likely exceeded demand, and you want a little bit of shortage to keep up the hype.
Wafers don't matter in this case because MS deliberately ordered 40K wafers because that's the demand they (accurately) forecasted.
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Fess
Member
100% the X. I’ve seen the S sitting on shelves, like a lot of them.
It was a bad idea, nobody wants it, should’ve made it into a portable instead or something, that’s how people talk about it after the Steam Deck news
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
A portable would have been fantastic. X competing against PS5 and S competing against Switch. But if that was too drastic, a simple X digital edition at $400 would have been much preferable because of the same SKU.100% the X. I’ve seen the S sitting on shelves, like a lot of them.
It was a bad idea, nobody wants it, should’ve made it into a portable instead or something, that’s how people talk about it after the Steam Deck news
Let's see how S performs in the next year or so. I was actually thinking about getting an S before the launch, but the performance is just not what I expected. Now waiting for an X. An X digital edition, if existed, is something I might have purchased by now.
Dr Bass
Member
Yeah who cares about things like “sales” or “revenue” or “profit”.
Fess
Member
I don’t see why it would change. It has been sitting on shelves here in Sweden since the launch, you could use it for bricks to build a house if you wanted. I can get it for half the price of a PS5 now. Nobody wants it. I could possibly see it used as a kids console, maybe to play Minecraft or Fortnite
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MrFunSocks
Banned
Source: VGChartz.
Nope.
Nope.
dcmk7
Banned
There are lots of them unsold in the UK right now.
Totally agree about the portable console, that would have been a much better move. The compromises in games wouldn't matter at all in that particular market.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
What if MS wanted to sell a lower tier console for $300? How does a digital XSX sell for $300? MS is already selling the XSS at a loss. A $300 digital XSX would be in dumping territory and is not feasible. Why would someone advocate for a more expensive Xbox? Maybe the $70 games are really exciting people.
The XSS is already a better value than any other current generation console especially with Game pass and All Access. The purpose of the console wasn't to push 4k but to lower the barrier to entry into the Xbox ecosystem. A more expensive Xbox does not do that.
With regards to the XSS sales, Xbox is coming off of a horrible last generation; it is great to see it sell as well as it is. Also it is NOT readily available in the US which last I checked was the largest gaming market. As the generation proceeds the platform will get more games and the price of the XSS will drop even more making it an even better deal than it is now. A digital XSX would never be that inexpensive. Factor in that console sales aren't the only way into the Xbox ecosystem like other companies and MS has a good pathway to success this generation unlike the last one.
kingfey
Banned
Yet, I cant find a xsx or xss here.
MS was counting on the old gen statics, when in fact, they are in better shape than last gen.
Also remember, 40k is what they could have afforded, not choose deliberately. There was 150k total. Sony ordered 80k by negotiating. This, left 70k with and. And since AMD have their own stuff to produce, they couldn't give MS more than 40k.
If AMd had more, MS would have bought it alot.
Scalpers price also means nothing, as people are ignoring scalpers due to risk of getting bad products, especially ebay. Considering people were getting rocks on a ps5 box, instead of actual hardware.
Stuart360
Member
Er i dont think it really works like that. Most people will be buying one or the other, not both Xbox consoles.
As for sales themselves, imo until both Xbox and Playstation consoles ahve been widely available on store shelves for at least 6 months, if not a full year, sales mean nothing.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
The XSS is selling just fine for a console that the target audience doesn't really need right now. It will sell even better in the future.
Shmunter
Member
Indeed. But the plan was always about increasing market share by covering a wider spectrum of customers (premium and budget). Double obviously too ambitious.
Stuart360
Member
And long run it probably will work out like that. There is no doubt in my mind that XSS will be a hit with parents over Christmas time etc. We need consoles on store shelves though for that to really make any difference.
Plus i was meaning more that you cant expect double sales because Xbox has 2 consoles instead of one. Thats like saying PS5 has 2 versions so it should double PS4 sales. Plus with limited componants, there is a limit on how many consoles Microsoft and Sony can make anyway.
At least Microsoft has finished replacing the server blades for XCloud, so that should mean more consoles for consumers over the coming months.
John Wick
Member
But aren't Sony shifting to 6nm? This will surely alleviate some of the supply issues
prinz_valium
Member
Microsoft does provide Xbox hardware $ sales.
If those increase, the units sold increased too
ethomaz
Banned
2021 is already set.
If they are shifting is for 2020 or ahead.
Of course TSMC could ramp up the production by Sony request but they are clear working on limit already… all semi-conductor are actually. If TSMC could produce more do you believe we where is so scarce products in the market? nVidia, Apple, AMD, etc all wants more 7nm production.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
*Wafer fyi
kingfey
Banned
Hearing sound, and writing word are completely different, yet sound the same. Guess I got deceived by it alot.
megreotsugua
Banned
Vgchartz downplays PS numbers while it always overestimates that of xbox. It adjusts accordingly after official numbers are revealed. But since MS gave up in its console, we wont have official numbers from MS anymore.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, these numbers may not be perfect. But unfortunately, that's the closest we will get until MS decides to share console sales numbers again like they were doing with Xbox 360. But I'm sure they won't do that ever again.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
Probably fabricated data but going forward sales vs sales is pointless since Xbox isn’t locking its eco system behind console sales. At this point it’s best to look at game and ass growth vs PS5 sales as a metric of competition.
MrFunSocks
Banned
They're not the closest we'll get though because they're purely made up. They're completely useless.
MikeM
Gold Member
The other part of this is that a portion of Series X chips are going into servers, naturally cutting into Series X console manufacturing. Either way, Xbox is not as reliant on their console sales as PS5 is. Its cool to see that PS5 has already sold close to 10 million units by June.
Having both consoles, I have to say both are fantastic machines in their own right.
Having both consoles, I have to say both are fantastic machines in their own right.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Depends on the region. If you're in the US, they are slightly harder to find. However, in most other regions, you can easily find either an X or S. I did a quick search, and I found a Series S in NL right now at 300 MSRP delivery within 24 hours. They are readily available. PS5, on the other hand, seems like a fabled item.
Regarding wafers and affordability, that doesn't make much sense. How could Sony afford it but not Microsoft? It all comes down to projected demand. They are producing as per their demand, within available constraints. And so is Sony.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
But that'll be the case with any unofficial source sharing these numbers. They'd all be made up because they aren't official.
And while we will be able to match PS5 numbers eventually when Sony releases their official reports, we will never know the truth regarding Xbox numbers because MS won't release numbers officially.
John Wick
Member
That's what i'm saying that the competition for 7nm is very high. Apple have already booked space for the next node at 5nm with TSMC. I think their is much less competition at 6nm. That's why Sony are shifting to it.
MasterCornholio
Member
You know Microsoft could have outbid Sony to obtain more wafers. Why they didn't it's probably due to their expectations.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Exactly. Not only this argument makes no sense, but it is also based on nothing. There is no news, rumors, or reports which suggest that MS wanted to order more wafers but couldn't afford it.