PSP post-launch: Just as bad as the DS?

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GDJustin

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PSP's launch line-up is rivaling the DC's for best of all time, so some of the post-launch drought can be forgiven, but good god... I was looking at release dates, and there's virtually NOTHING of merit coming out May through all summer.

Advent Shadow isn't until August... GTA is rumored for summer. Death Jr. is spring and Hot Shots Golf is June. Thats literally everything post-launch worth paying attention to until fall.

Still, with at least 6 good, quality launch opions depending on your taste, the drought it easily forgiven. It'll still be interesting to see if the PSP is still selling out in June without any big software to push it...
 
Aside from Soul Calibur and Sonic Adventure, Dreamcast's launch was hardly the best of all time.
 
AlphaSnake said:
Aside from Soul Calibur and Sonic Adventure, Dreamcast's launch was hardly the best of all time.
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I really don't understand the "BEST LUNCH EVAR!" comments about PSP. It's a bunch of sequels/ports/remakes/sports games and one truly original game that no one will buy... Lumines.

I guess if you think a system launch is great because it has a whole lot of the familiar, then it's like the awesomest thing evar. But for me, there's only one truly compelling reason to buy it.
 
Shhhh! Don't mention the weak post-launch line-up! It's a secret!

But, seriously, yeah, I've said the same thing myself a hundred times over. Y's is also scheduled for June, if GameStop is to be believed. That with Hot Shots should keep me occupied for a little while. And, really, given the games that are coming out now, they should keep me occupied for at least a couple months. So I'm not too worried.
 
You know, I thought something similar yesterday when I went looking to find out the big games for the rest of the year to make a little list to show how my wallet will cry soon. I ended up picking GTA for the PSP, and we haven't even seen it.

So yeah, it doesn't look great. I didn't mention it, as I didn't want it to turn into a DS/PSP thing (though now you've taken care of that), but I guess I was so focused on the impressive launch that I didn't look beyond it.

Whether it's better or worse than the DS, I don't know, and who knows what will be revealed at E3, but we might be in for a bit of a lean spell (I'm talking like I have th system here, but I don't. Just making that clear).

That's ok though, we know good games are coming, even if they're not as soon as we'd like.
 
Hmmmm you do bring up some good points.

I bought Darkstalkers, twisted metal: head on, and Wipeout pure yesteday and am also going to get lumines, Meteal gear acid, and Ridge racers. Totaling six games I want.

Thinking about it now I dont even know what else is coming out for the PSP I want other than GT mobile, FF: crisis core, AC: formula front and Devil may cry. And 2 of them wont come out until next year :lol
 
post-launch droughts are typical. the psp can weather its impending dry period because its launch lineup is so strong. ds didn't have that luxury. actually ds strikes me as one of the few consoles that didn't experience a post-launch drought -- its launch was so dry that even a trickle of marginal software like wario ware and yoshi's touch and go was an improvement.
 
Dave Long said:
I really don't understand the "BEST LUNCH EVAR!" comments about PSP. It's a bunch of sequels/ports/remakes/sports games and one truly original game that no one will buy... Lumines.

I guess if you think a system launch is great because it has a whole lot of the familiar, then it's like the awesomest thing evar. But for me, there's only one truly compelling reason to buy it.
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WHY must games be completely original to be considered GOOD?! We are seeing proper sequels to many beloved franchises and these versions are loaded with features. There is original content there (Lumines, Mercury, Metal Gear Acid, etc.), but the fact that most of the games come from a series means little in regards to quality.

I think the post launch period should be just fine for a bit, as there are a lot of launch games I'm interested in but will not be purchasing right away. Most systems tend to be pretty slow post launch. E3 is coming up, though, and I really think a lot of additional PSP titles will start popping up.

As for whether it is better than the DS or not, well, that much should be obvious. The system is launching with more titles than the DS has total (and the system has been around since November). Not only that, there is a lot of REAL quality in the PSP lineup. The current DS lineup is just flat out terrible.
 
dark10x said:
WHY must games be completely original to be considered GOOD?! We are seeing proper sequels to many beloved franchises and these versions are loaded with features. There is original content there (Lumines, Mercury, Metal Gear Acid, etc.), but the fact that most of the games come from a series means little in regards to quality.
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Can I quote you on this when people rail against Nintendo for using their trademark characters for entirely new styles of games?
 
Dave Long said:
Can I quote you on this when people rail against Nintendo for using their trademark characters for entirely new styles of games?
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You can do whatever you please, though I don't see how posting a quote of mine in response to someone else would mean anything.
 
Both DS and PSP will fill out a bit at E3 I expect... right now though, DS has the better summer by far...

Nintendo DS
-Animaniancs: Lights, Camera, Action (August)
-Batman Begins (July)
-Big Mutha Truckers DS (08.30)
-Blades of Thunder 2 (August)
-Bomberman DS (06.13)
-Castlevania (08.30)
-Egg Monster Heroes (05.02)
-Goldeneye: Rogue Agent (May)
-Gyakuten Saiban (tba summer)
-Lost in Blue (08.15)
-Lunar Genesis (tba summer)
-Madagascar (05.23)
-Madden NFL 2006 (08.08)
-Metroid: Prime Hunters (08.22)
-Nanostray (06.30)
-Need for Speed Underground 2 (05.23)
-Pac n'Roll (tba summer)
-Snood 2 Lost in Snoodville (07.30)
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (05.19)
-Texas Hold 'Em (August)
-Tak 3 (tba summer)
-Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (06.01)
-Touch! Kirby! (06.13)
-Ultimate Brain Games (07.19)
-Ultimate Card Games (06.01)
-Yu-Gi-OH! Nightmare Troubador (08.22)
-Zoo Tycoon (tba summer)

PSP
-AC Formula Front (06.21)
-Advent Shadow (08.12)
-Batman Begins (July)
-Coded Arms (05.14)
-Death Jr (05.03)
-Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex (05.10)
-Grand Theft Auto (05.15)
-Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee (06.14)
-Madden NFL 2006 (08.08)
-Prince of Persia: Warrior Within (tba summer)
-Stacked (tba summer)
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (05.19)
-Ys: The Ark of Napishtim (tba summer)
 
what can i say... DS launch was a dud (at least in USA)... only when Wario Ware hit did it make it good, though playing GBA games ont he DS's screen is godly, even compared to the SP...

PSP, i really hope Lumines is as fun as it looks, and i got DarkStalkers Chronicle because i like DarkStalkers...

as for the horizon, i don't see anything fun for a while, and i'm not gonna consider a non-DMA GTA until i see the video footage...

and damn it, why does nobody have 1GB pro duo's in stock? i have the money for two!
 
Calling Twisted Metal and Wipeout PSP titles "just sequels" is missing the fact that

1) Neither has seen a new game in several years
2) Wipeout is network-capable for the first time ever.

So yeah, that right there is something to crow about.

Besides, what launch has been better? Seriously, most launches have just as much sequel/remake/port material OR are massively short on titles, or both. Plently of new content here PLUS sequels/ports is a GOOD thing.
 
dark10x said:
You can do whatever you please, though I don't see how posting a quote of mine in response to someone else would mean anything.
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The point is that what you said is exactly what a lot of Nintendo fans will say when confronted with the whole "sequels/ports/nothing new" argument. Then you go and trot it out for PSP?

Frankly, I don't look at Twisted Metal, Wipeout and Ridge Racer as anything new at all for PSP. The only real new there is that they're portable. They play exactly like every other iteration of them that came before. Metal Gear Ac!d is the only game that seems to do something different with the franchise it's based on.

Everything else really is just a portable version of the same old thing.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Calling Twisted Metal and Wipeout PSP titles "just sequels" is missing the fact that

1) Neither has seen a new game in several years
2) Wipeout is network-capable for the first time ever.

So yeah, that right there is something to crow about.

Besides, what launch has been better? Seriously, most launches have just as much sequel/remake/port material OR are massively short on titles, or both. Plently of new content here PLUS sequels/ports is a GOOD thing.
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Twisted Metal Black and Wipeout Fusion are still in stores and only a few years old, my good man.
 
Well you could argue that Feel the Magic is the only original game for the DS at launch and everything else is just portables of the same old thing
 
Dave Long said:
I really don't understand the "BEST LUNCH EVAR!" comments about PSP. It's a bunch of sequels/ports/remakes/sports games and one truly original game that no one will buy... Lumines.

I guess if you think a system launch is great because it has a whole lot of the familiar, then it's like the awesomest thing evar. But for me, there's only one truly compelling reason to buy it.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. If you ask me, DS and PSP launch line-ups both suck, but for equally compelling differences.
 
Wario64 said:
Well you could argue that Feel the Magic is the only original game for the DS at launch and everything else is just portables of the same old thing
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I'd have no problem with someone arguing that to be honest. I'm just pointing out that the PSP launch lineup is IMO not nearly as good as it's been made out to be, especially on this forum.

Also, there may be a bunch of confusion at retail since the boxes for the PSP games often have exactly the same art as a PS2 game. Sports games from Sony look identical to one another. That's really not a good idea in my experience in the retail industry. The box form factor doesn't tip people off like they might think it does as to whether something works on a portable only instead of console and vice versa.
 
Mama Smurf said:
Where'd that Castlevania date come from? Last I heard it's Q4.
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Every retail outlet under the sun. Though a move to October wouldn't surprise me, seems more fitting for CV. :)
 
Dave Long said:
Twisted Metal Black and Wipeout Fusion are still in stores and only a few years old, my good man.
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My line of reasoning only really works when one is a huge fan of said series. In my case, Ridge Racer V and TM Black are two of my favorite PS2 titles. I also enjoyed Fusion.

However, it has been quite a while since those games showed up (5 years for R5). In Fusion's case, a LOT of Wipeout fans were REALLY let down by the game. In fact, many people have been awaiting a 2097 quality Wipeout for nearly 10 years. Surely you could see the appeal. As for Twisted Metal, TM2 is widely considered a favorite, so a combination of Black and TM2 into a brand new game certainly seems like a blast.

All three of these games are NEW GAMES based on a series. This isn't like Mario 64 DS or Mario Advance, which were mostly rehashes of old games. Regardless of what they may seem like to you, they ARE new games and many people are really looking forward to them.

I'm just pointing out that the PSP launch lineup is IMO not nearly as good as it's been made out to be
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Once again, whether these titles are based on existing franchises or not should never prevent them from being considered GREAT. They are NEW titles in existing franchises, just as Super Mario World, Mario 64, Soul Calibur, Ridge Racer V and Sonic Adventure all were. They were NEW GAMES based on existing franchises.

Hell, people were dying for a new Mario game at Cube launch...and Mario 64 had been released 5 years ago by that point.
 
Wipeout.

Network Play.



Twisted Metal: released in 2000.
Wipeout fusion: released in 2001, I think.

This is 2005. That's long enough to be excited.

And again, what's the benchmark? Whose launch was better? It's easy to piss about a lot of sequels, but really, whose launch lineup was better? None, that I can recall. But I'm not a "one game" guy for launches, either. Although, even if I were, Wipeout would do it for me.
 
people are saying "best launch ever" (not that i necessarily agree) because there are a number of good games at psp launch. they aren't saying "most original launch ever." those are two different things. do you think novelty is a prerequisite of quality?

it's funny that ds advocates are still intent on downplaying the psp, but can't in good conscience say anything nice about the ds. good old things are still better than bad new things. in much the same way that 19th century european literature is better than the ebola virus.
 
dark10x said:
My line of reasoning only really works when one is a huge fan of said series. In my case, Ridge Racer V and TM Black are two of my favorite PS2 titles. I also enjoyed Fusion.

However, it has been quite a while since those games showed up (5 years for R5). In Fusion's case, a LOT of Wipeout fans were REALLY let down by the game. In fact, many people have been awaiting a 2097 quality Wipeout for nearly 10 years. Surely you could see the appeal. As for Twisted Metal, TM2 is widely considered a favorite, so a combination of Black and TM2 into a brand new game certainly seems like a blast.

All three of these games are NEW GAMES based on a series. This isn't like Mario 64 DS or Mario Advance, which were mostly rehashes of old games. Regardless of what they may seem like to you, they ARE new games and many people are really looking forward to them.



Once again, whether these titles are based on existing franchises or not should never prevent them from being considered GREAT. They are NEW titles in existing franchises, just as Super Mario World, Mario 64, Soul Calibur, Ridge Racer V and Sonic Adventure all were. They were NEW GAMES based on existing franchises.

Hell, people were dying for a new Mario game at Cube launch...and Mario 64 had been released 5 years ago by that point.
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That's true, but how popular are these games among PS2 owners? Wouldnt someone want games like GTA or Final Fantasy more? So, who's more likely to buy a PSP for a particular franchise? Fans of the series, not the everyday gamer.

Ignatz Mouse said:
Wipeout.

Network Play.



Twisted Metal: released in 2000.
Wipeout fusion: released in 2001, I think.
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For American release dates, Twisted Metal Black came out in 2001. Wipeout Fusion came out in 2002.
 
You keep saying Wipeout and network play, Mouse. But it's only local isn't it (Other than downloads)? This is my biggest disappointment with PSP, it has this generation console online syndrome. All the games I want to be online, aren't, and the ones I'd otherwise not pay attention to, are the ones that get it.

Edit: Well that was answered. Local only.
 
drohne said:
it's funny that ds advocates are still intent on downplaying the psp, but can't in good conscience say anything nice about the ds.
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Is it? Funny I mean? See I would have thought it's good rather than funny to see people realistically looking at line ups and being reasonable about it.

But I guess that's not as fun as saying that the DS is SO bad that not even the fanboys can say good things about it and have to attack the PSP instead.

Let's go your way. It's fun. Funny even.
 
The PSP launch is crap. A bunch of sports games and ports that are already available on the PS2. Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, and Mercury being the exceptions which are the three games I'm interested in.

People are just really hyped for the PSP because of the system's power - plain and simple. Throwing the best launch lineup ever around is a bit premature I think. Give it a week or two after release and people will be complaining.

However, it's no where near as bad as the DS launch lineup. One solid title and a bunch of shovelware. It's been a bit easier as a DS owner lately with Wario Wario and Touch 'n Go, but Nintendo need to get on the ball and get us Meteos, Kirby, and Another Code STAT.
 
Dave Long said:
Can I quote you on this when people rail against Nintendo for using their trademark characters for entirely new styles of games?
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Shoehorning the tired Mario cast into practically every genre under the sun tends to make the games in question feel 'samey', no matter how new the gameplay may be. Same visual style, same musical style, same characters you've seen a thousand times before... Do you really love the Mario characters so much that you want to see them in practically every Nintendo game?

Say what you will about the PSP launch titles, but at least those games are sequels to titles from different series, and have their own distinctive look and sound.
 
You've GOT to be joking, Bristow...

We'll see about that, but I DO know that the sequels I am looking forward to are all games I STILL play on my PS2 today. R5, TMB, and the Wipeout series continue to see play time from me. I LOVE those games. I don't think I'm going to be simply throwing these sequels in a pile two weeks from now...

Post launch simply doesn't worry me for this reason. PSP is not going to the ONLY system I own ya know. However, those games are all likely to keep me playing for a very long time. There is plenty of launch software to keep me busy for months on end.
 
Bristow said:
The PSP launch is crap. A bunch of sports games and ports that are already available on the PS2. Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, and Mercury being the exceptions which are the three games I'm interested in.
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God I hate people who say shit like this. Only the EA stuff is ports, most of the other is only for PSP. Twisted Metal Head On, Wipeout Pure, Ridge Racers, Lumines are not crap. They are perfect for a handheld.

Why the fuck whould anyone pick up a system because of power?
 
I think the PSP can be given a little extra leeway, too, considering the network play. Yes, I'm well aware of game sharing on the DS, as well, and its good, but there just seems to be more "meat" to the PSP multiplayer games. As opposed to, say, mario64x4, where once you do everything, well, you get to do it again. Games like Wipeout, the sports titles, etc. are more "endless play" kinds of games where competition is reinforced. Sports titles and racers are really good at supplying this sort of content and the PSP launch is heavy on em. The multiplay, both online and adhoc, should provide plenty of extra playtime. :)
 
So basically any games that are an extension to estasblished franchises but released on a handheld are 'ports'

I guess you can call F-Zero Maximum Velocity a port too
 
Bristow said:
The PSP launch is crap. A bunch of sports games and ports that are already available on the PS2. Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, and Mercury being the exceptions which are the three games I'm interested in.

People are just really hyped for the PSP because of the system's power - plain and simple. Throwing the best launch lineup ever around is a bit premature I think. Give it a week or two after release and people will be complaining.

However, it's no where near as bad as the DS launch lineup. One solid title and a bunch of shovelware. It's been a bit easier as a DS owner lately with Wario Wario and Touch 'n Go, but Nintendo need to get on the ball and get us Meteos, Kirby, and Another Code STAT.
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When did Wipeout Pure, Ridge Racers, Twisted Metal Head On come out for the PS2? I'd like to play those on my PS2.

As someone else said, only the EA Sports games are ports. Even Need for Speed Underground Rivals is a new game in the series.

As for the original post's question; the PSP launch window has more games that the DS has in the US right now. So it balances out.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
God I hate people who shit like this. Only the EA stuff is ports, most of the other is only for PSP. Twisted Metal Head On, Wipeout Pure, Ridge Racers, Lumines are not crap. They are perfect for a handheld.

Why the fuck whould anyone pick up a system because of power?
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Add Mercury and MGA to that too. PSP's launch-lineup is awesome.
 
Well it looks like this isn't going to turn away from launches, so I'll add my bit.

While I can't say I'm personally that excited about the PSP lineup, it's just because of personal preference. I suspect that's the problem for a lot of people.

I mean, let's say the next Nintendo system launches with a new Mario, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros and Pikmin, along with one good original game, like Lumines, and the usual third party filler. Now, unless the games somehow turned out shit, I think that would be touted as the greatest launch lineup ever all over the net. But it's basically just sequels.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
God I hate people who say shit like this. Only the EA stuff is ports, most of the other is only for PSP. Twisted Metal Head On, Wipeout Pure, Ridge Racers, Lumines are not crap. They are perfect for a handheld.

Why the fuck whould anyone pick up a system because of power?
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Good stuff. Thanks for the laugh.
 
I should have worded it differently. I meant you could play Fusion and Black on PS2 which look better and most likely play alot better on the PS2's Dualshock controller. Yes, I understand they are new games in the series and are portable, but they aren't games that scream originality and make you want to put down $250 on a new system.

People are going nuts like they are completely new games that we haven't already been playing for 4 years. Again, I'm not trying to say someone shouldn't be excited for these particular games, but they don't exactly warrant a 'best launch lineup' ever IMO.
 
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