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[DCharlie]

Yeah, i'm extremely excited about the two systems in both ways, and i'm sure people will be able to see the differences that the two machines have to offer.

On the one hand, who DOESN'T want circa PS2 performance in a handheld? Who doesn't want to play games that are coming close to being on a par with a home system?

On the other hand, you have the DS giving gamers experiences that they've never had before.

Obviously , some people are going to see no point in one of the options : for the PSP, some people won't be able to see the point in the unit because it's going to be the same game play experience as they can get at home, albeit on the move. for the DS, some people will see it is a mishmash of gimmicky ideas that don't appeal to them.

Surprised at the DS backlash to be honest - the games do look to be pretty new experiences (more so than the PSP, but hell... RIDGE RACERS baby! ) , and i thought new experiences was what gaming was about?

 

[Monk]

No this is gaming age where anything pro nintendo is a bannable offense.

MparisSM shouldn't have been banned. He didn't do anything wrong unlike the other guy.

 

[Dilbert]

No this is gaming age where anything pro nintendo is a bannable offense.

MparisSM shouldn't have been banned. He didn't do anything wrong unlike the other guy.

A couple of things, so there aren't MORE people added to the body count:

1) Trolling is trolling, no matter what side you happen to be on. As far as I'm concerned, it is patently ridiculous to start a thread comparing a handheld which is already released and one which is not yet released.

2) In several cases, there was a pattern of behavior which probably influenced the decision.

3) Complaining about someone else's ban which doesn't affect you is a bad idea.

4) The only person I banned in this thread was for a reason other than trolling.

 

[Monk]

I thought he was asking whether it will, as in future tense. Well that is all i will say on the subject.

 

[Hardknock]

A couple of things, so there aren't MORE people added to the body count:

1) Trolling is trolling, no matter what side you happen to be on. As far as I'm concerned, it is patently ridiculous to start a thread comparing a handheld which is already released and one which is not yet released.

2) In several cases, there was a pattern of behavior which probably influenced the decision.

3) Complaining about someone else's ban which doesn't affect you is a bad idea.

4) The only person I banned in this thread was for a reason other than trolling.

It seemed to me the original Thread poster was comparing the features of the two handhelds. Which wouldn't matter if either one wasn't out yet, because we already know what the features are. But whatever you say man. You stated you weren't the one that banned them. But you do have the power to "unban" and it only seems right.... :-/ But oh well it's not really my battle to fight, so I'll leave it alone...

 

[maharg]

You're being sarcastic, right?

Ok, I'll explain it slowly.

DS out right now.

[insert omglolzor gibberish here]

So together they ride off into the sunset!

Oh...kay. And still, what does this have to do with the DC? You're talking about a single generation of hardware and comparing it to two generations of hardware, and are trying to paint the DC as the measuring stick for the PSP?

I reapeat:
:lol what?

 

[Amir0x]

Oh...kay. And still, what does this have to do with the DC? You're talking about a single generation of hardware and comparing it to two generations of hardware, and are trying to paint the DC as the measuring stick for the PSP?

I reapeat:
:lol what?

I don't understand what is so difficult.

The PSP is the same generational leap over DS as the DC was over the N64. Before the DC, the N64 was the one with the "wow factor" visually speaking. After the DC, it was no longer impressive.

The same will prove true when the PSP hits the stands.

 

[Monk]

Actually people were always saying how the dc wasn't much more powerful than the original playstation. The dc didn't have much wow factor.

But the leap between the ds and the psp is indeed much greater.

Wait a miinute are you saying that the n64 had more wow factor than the playstation?

 

[Amir0x]

Actually people were always saying how the dc wasn't much more powerful than the original playstation. The dc didn't have much wow factor.

But the leap between the ds and the psp is indeed much greater.

I think that anyone who said the DC wasn't a significant leap over the PSX was probably mentally handicapped.

 

[bobbyconover]

The same will prove true when the PSP hits the stands.

Visually speaking, yeah. How will it combat the other features of the DS, though? Cause "visually speaking" didn't cut it for the Game Gear, Turbo Express, or LYNX, and back then the visual difference was even more massive - b&w to color. Also note that the Megadrive and PC Engine were very popular at the time, so it's not as if these were no-name companies taking a crack at it.

Not that I don't think the PSP will do well. I just think this assumpion that it will obliterate the DS based on graphics rendering power alone is a bit much.

 

[teiresias]

Actually people were always saying how the dc wasn't much more powerful than the original playstation.

:lol If you're referring to that being said on GAF if the old boards from that time were still around I'd challenge you to find ANYONE that asserted such a thing. If anything, most of the talk, post PS2 launch, was how the PS2 didn't represent any leap whatsoever, and in fact often looked worse than the DC. I mean, that was the GAF deadmeat era for crying out loud - SUPERKYRO!!!!!!!

 

[Monk]

I think that anyone who said the DC wasn't a significant leap over the PSX was probably mentally handicapped.

A vast majority of people are mentally handicapped going by that. :/

If you're referring to that being said on GAF if the old boards from that time were still around I'd challenge you to find ANYONE that asserted such a thing. If anything, most of the talk, post PS2 launch, was how the PS2 didn't represent any leap whatsoever, and in fact often looked worse than the DC. I mean, that was the GAF deadmeat era for crying out loud - SUPERKYRO!!!!!!!

No, it was my own experience with general consumers.

 

[Jonnyram]

I think the point of this thread is that if you are talking about "wow" factor in terms of graphics only, you are not understanding what's happening. People are interested in the DS because of interaction. Touching is offering more to these people than high-end graphics.

Sure, in our world, the PSP shoves a lot more polys around than the DS could dream of, and that is wowing gamers. But if we stop talking about gamers only, it is easy to see the DS is wowing plenty of non-gamers with its tactile gaming.

 

[Gek54]

[rant]

First let me state that I'm an Ex-Nintendo fan. I traded in my Gamecube earlier this year for an Xbox and couldn't be more happier with it. The Gamecube just didn't have any games I was really interested in. Especially after the huge disapointments that Sunshine and Wind Waker were. I still own an SP though, and grew up on Nintendo systems. I've never owned a PS1 or PS2(because of blind fan boyism I'll admit it). And I seriously think if Nintendo doesn't get it's act together, that not only it's console business will be dominated by Sony but so will the portable market! I would hate to see Nintendo to go the way of Sega, but really they only have themselves to blame for being so arrogant and stubborn. Both the PSP and the DS have a lot going for them. My main problem with the PSP is the battery life... A fatal mistake the Game Gear had. But there is one key difference that people overlook..... The PSP is RECHARGABLE, and the Game Gear you had to BUY the batteries for it. That's a huge difference, and I don't think the casuals will really care as long as the graphics are amazing, and lets face it, the PSP just has this "cool" factor about it even if it's not turned on! With the PSP coming out later, they'll surely be able to cut costs on it somewhat. How do you think the DS stacks up to the PSP? Do you think the PSP will dominate like the Playstions have? Even though I'm an ex-ninty fanboy, I'm still worried that Sony will eventually have a monopoly on the entire videogame market(althouth they are not a video game company) and that doesn't sit well. Hopefully the DS was the right move and they market it correctly.... We'll see.... [/rant]

Its been nothing but Sonyphobia trolling that has only worstened since this post. Being DS fan is one thing but this guy is so affraid of the PSP and PS2 that he has a long history of spouting off the most irrational posts slamming Sony systems whenever he has had the chance, along with personal attacks when confronted, lol. It became old along time ago and the ban is overdue.

Like the affect of the ban on ZA pages on POP2, I now have a higher regard for the DS.

 

[mashoutposse]

If I buy any new portable it's going to be the DS because it beats the PSP in the "isnt going to be able to be played on the computer after the emulator comes out" factor.

Um, emulated DS games will be perfectly playable with split screen and the mouse (possibly even MORE playable in some cases). There isn't a DS game that cannot be done full justice emulated on the PC.

 

[Shompola]

A vast majority of people are mentally handicapped going by that. :/

You aren't a vast majority of people though.

 

[mashoutposse]

Visually speaking, yeah. How will it combat the other features of the DS, though? Cause "visually speaking" didn't cut it for the Game Gear, Turbo Express, or LYNX, and back then the visual difference was even more massive - b&w to color. Also note that the Megadrive and PC Engine were very popular at the time, so it's not as if these were no-name companies taking a crack at it.

Not that I don't think the PSP will do well. I just think this assumpion that it will obliterate the DS based on graphics rendering power alone is a bit much.

Those systems either were expensive to maintain (buying batteries all the time) or were just expensive.

 

[Monk]

Sigh, i never meant it like that. I use to hang aroung a videogame store and that was the response that most people that came in said.

 

[Acosta]

The PSP is the same generational leap over DS as the DC was over the N64. Before the DC, the N64 was the one with the "wow factor" visually speaking. After the DC, it was no longer impressive.

The same will prove true when the PSP hits the stands.

No, that would work if DS were a handheld with N64 graphics, but it's not that. There is excitement about the interface you can't deny that, non experienced users see this as the most attractive point, because "touching" it´s more natural and intuitive that a pad. Show Ridge Racer PSP to a little girl and then let her try Nintendog, do you know which one will grab her attention?

I won´t stop saying this: both systems are very different even if both are handheld, and they have its own "wow" factor. I don´t think they will compete in the same field and I would like both to have success because their games are very different.

 

[Gek54]

It was probably more of a "Wow what is this?" "Its a Sega machine" "......oh".

 

[lexi]

Um, emulated DS games will be perfectly playable with split screen and the mouse (possibly even MORE playable in some cases). There isn't a DS game that cannot be done full justice emulated on the PC.

 

[Sho Nuff]

Sigh, i never meant it like that. I use to hang aroung a videogame store and that was the response that most people that came in said.

At my store, people always said that Dreamcast was the awesomest system in the universe and would physically attack anyone who said otherwise. The cops would show up all the time for the consequent beat-downs of Nintendo fans. In fact, right now Dreamcast games still outsell both DS and GC games by about 5:1.

I'm just saying what happens at MY store.

 

[Hardknock]

Its been nothing but Sonyphobia trolling that has only worstened since this post. Being DS fan is one thing but this guy is so affraid of the PSP and PS2 that he has a long history of spouting off the most irrational posts slamming Sony systems whenever he has had the chance, along with personal attacks when confronted, lol. It became old along time ago and the ban is overdue.

Like the affect of the ban on ZA pages on POP2, I now have a higher regard for the DS.

Maybe you Sony fanboys are to sensitive and hated that this guy expressed his opinion? I don't see anything wrong with that post. Is this the best post you could come up with? :lol If anything it gives props to Sony because he was aware of the power that Sony has in the videogame industry. My God, why would anything like that or his posts in this thread be considered harmful? If there was a personal dislike towards the guy, that still wasn't a good reason to ban him. Or Salmon for that matter either.

 

[Acosta]

Um, emulated DS games will be perfectly playable with split screen and the mouse (possibly even MORE playable in some cases). There isn't a DS game that cannot be done full justice emulated on the PC.

What about microphone and wireless? (if you tell me to buy a microphone for the computer to play a clunky emulator instead of the console itself, I understand how do you say that a emulator can "do full justice" to the real thing).

 

[Amir0x]

Visually speaking, yeah. How will it combat the other features of the DS, though? Cause "visually speaking" didn't cut it for the Game Gear, Turbo Express, or LYNX, and back then the visual difference was even more massive - b&w to color. Also note that the Megadrive and PC Engine were very popular at the time, so it's not as if these were no-name companies taking a crack at it.

Not that I don't think the PSP will do well. I just think this assumpion that it will obliterate the DS based on graphics rendering power alone is a bit much.

I agree that saying that it will win based on graphics alone is a bit much. That's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing "wow factor." The PSP will be the clear winner there.

As for the "other features" of DS, I assume you're talking about its touch screen and backward compatability with GBA. Well, for its worth, the PSP can also do other things; so it's not like they don't both have unique features that will appeal to some subset of people. I personally think their is room for both, but that's just me.

No, that would work if DS were a handheld with N64 graphics, but it's not that. There is excitement about the interface you can't deny that, non experienced users see this as the most attractive point, because "touching" it´s more natural and intuitive that a pad. Show Ridge Racer PSP to a little girl and then let her try Nintendog, do you know which one will grab her attention?

The DS is a handheld with N64 graphics. As for the "little girl subset" you tried to use, of course Nintendogs will be more interesting. This is, for the five hundredth time, not the primarily audience that Sony is launching for. As for the touch pad being more natural and intuitive than a pad (I assume you mean D-Pad), I don't even know where to start. If you mean the touch screen is more natural than an ANALOG stick, then you're wrong and that's all there is to it. If you mean the touch screen is more natural and intuitive than a D-Pad, then you're also wrong. It's offers better control than a D-Pad, no doubt, but it's not more intuitive or natural, which is the key point here. Only after much experience with the touch pad could you become more proficient in it than you were with a D-Pad.

I won´t stop saying this: both systems are very different even if both are handheld, and they have its own "wow" factor. I don´t think they will compete in the same field and I would like both to have success because their games are very different.

I would like to see them both be successes as well.

 

[XS+]

Those without a frame of reference might be impressed by the DS. But most gamers, accustomed to playing current gen hardware, will look at the dated graphics of the DS and meet them with a "WTF? These graphics suck" or "Mom, can I trade this DS in for a PSP??" After school, they'll come home envious of those toying with Sony's latest gem of ingenuity. To those unable to grasp how someone can be so dismissive of the DS, go play an N64 game: Take note of how horrible it looks, consider the limitations of the DS and own up to how farcical its release is.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

I feel that most uses for the touch screen are contrived. There's a 'Feel the magic' and 'Puppy Times", and i feel that those are some of the better uses of the touch screen. Then you have other developers (Nintendo themselves) forcing it to be what it is not: An analog stick. Nintendo is developing without the touch screen in play, and then thinking about it later. I think that's pretty bad. What they should have done, IMO, is discourage developers from merely using the DS as an overgrown analog stick and more as a touch screen. There are a dozen untapped ways to integrate the touch screen. If you can't include the touch screen, then leave it out. The GBA played fine without touch or analog.

Until developers develop games making good use of the 2nd screen, I won't touch a DS.

 

[Gek54]

Maybe you Sony fanboys are to sensitive and hated that this guy expressed his opinion? I don't see anything wrong with that post. Is this the best post you could come up with? :lol If anything it gives props to Sony because he was aware of the power that Sony has in the videogame industry. My God, why would anything like that or his posts in this thread be considered harmful? If there was a personal dislike towards the guy, that still wasn't a good reason to ban him. Or Salmon for that matter either.

No that post of his was just where it all started and what all his trolling has been based on. I dont have a problem with that post but the blindly hateful trolling that followed this post have been annoying to say the least. Do a search of all his posts regarding PSP and PS2 and you would understand. He tried to tell someone not to get a PS2 based soley on that he thought the game Omnimusha looked dated and had poor controls. That would be like someone saying dont get a DS soley becuase Mario 64DS looks dated and has poor controls. We all know each system has alot of different and higher quality games to offer.

 

[Jonnyram]

There are a dozen untapped ways to integrate the touch screen.

Nice pun :lol

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Um, emulated DS games will be perfectly playable with split screen and the mouse (possibly even MORE playable in some cases). There isn't a DS game that cannot be done full justice emulated on the PC.

Not to mention that the PSP uses a reformed Emotion Engine, which even the PS2 version, which has been out for 5 years, isn't close to proper emulation. The DS uses an Arm 7 and an Arm 9, and there are commercial emulators for those processors, and the GBA even used an Arm 9. The only thing holding the DS back is the touch screen.

The PSP is gonna be a tougher nut because of the Emotion Engine Portable. As well as what other security measures Sony employs. It's been shown that the DS employs none. And lets face it: If Sony is having games off Mem Stick, they're definitely gonna have some kind of security. Remember MagicGate, ATRAK and MagicKey?

 

[mashoutposse]

What about microphone and wireless? (if you tell me to buy a microphone for the computer to play a clunky emulator instead of the console itself, I understand how do you say that a emulator can "do full justice" to the real thing).

You can get a mic for less than $10. If you don't want to spend money, note that there are actually many standard headphones that can work as microphones. Try it. Neither of these solutions compromise gameplay and thus offer the full experience.

As far as wireless is concerned, remember, you're on a computer -- tunneling software will likely be written that will allow for full-fledged online internet play, just as it has been for practically every other LAN-but-not-online console title. And if you want to chat, you've got AIM, MSN, and Yahoo! Messenger at your fingertips.

The fact of the matter is that DS can and will be emulated, and the experience will be practically the same or better. Games like Metroid and SM64 DS will control much better on a PC. Games like Feel the Magic aren't that far removed from your standard Macromedia Flash game, and will play indentically.

 

[Jonnyram]

The PSP is gonna be a tougher nut because of the Emotion Engine Portable. As well as what other security measures Sony employs. It's been shown that the DS employs none.

PSP is already emulated officially - that's what most developers were using to test games until recently.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

^^To add on, not to mention that there's been no hint of inclusion of the Microphone, or perhaps developers aren't speaking on it now.

And If you need a cheap microphone for your PC: Hook a phone up to your old modem :lol

Set it as the Line In. You can record other people's calls this way too.

 

[XS+]

I feel that most uses for the touch screen are contrived. There's a 'Feel the magic' and 'Puppy Times", and i feel that those are some of the better uses of the touch screen. Then you have other developers (Nintendo themselves) forcing it to be what it is not: An analog stick. Nintendo is developing without the touch screen in play, and then thinking about it later. I think that's pretty bad. What they should have done, IMO, is discourage developers from merely using the DS as an overgrown analog stick and more as a touch screen. There are a dozen untapped ways to integrate the touch screen. If you can't include the touch screen, then leave it out. The GBA played fine without touch or analog.

Until developers develop games making good use of the 2nd screen, I won't touch a DS.

It's lazy design, a contrived gimmick spefically designed to compensate for the archaic graphics. In this age, there is no point in attempting 3D without the right tools. Current 3D has a fleeting lifespan, with new technology always pushing the envelope that closes one window while opening another.

 

[Brofist]

No, that would work if DS were a handheld with N64 graphics, but it's not that. There is excitement about the interface you can't deny that, non experienced users see this as the most attractive point, because "touching" it´s more natural and intuitive that a pad. Show Ridge Racer PSP to a little girl and then let her try Nintendog, do you know which one will grab her attention.

Well can't the same be said about anything? Put a box of lego blocks and an Xbox w/Halo 2 in front of a little boy, which do you think he'll probably pick up and have fun with?

The little girl isn't the main target that these guys are looking to "wow" (even Nintendo I have a hard time to believe is catering the DS to little girls). It's the person that walks into Yodobashi/EB etc that is going to drop $150-$250 to buy one of them that they are looking to wow.

The little girl probably got it for a present..probably never needed to be "wowed" in the first place.

 

[Shompola]

I thought PSP used a MIPS CPU. A very documented CPU family.

 

[DCharlie]

"Those without a frame of reference might be impressed by the DS. But most gamers, accustomed to playing current gen hardware, will look at the dated graphics of the DS and meet them with a "WTF? These graphics suck" or "Mom, can I trade this DS in for a PSP??" After school, they'll come home envious of those toying with Sony's latest gem of ingenuity. To those unable to grasp how someone can be so dismissive of the DS, go play an N64 game: Take note of how horrible it looks, consider the limitations of the DS and own up to how farcical its release is."

actually - for school kids, i'd think that Pictochat would be the killer app

"LOOK, I DREW ANOTHER COCK!!! 8===o "
"LOL... THAT NEVER GETS OLD!!"

I don't think kids really care about graphics to be honest , remember , Pokemon looks like ass - and kids are all over that like bees around honey.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

PSP is already emulated officially - that's what most developers were using to test games until recently.

But none of those emulators are commercial. The company behind the ARM has given developers a hand at developing many commercial ARM9 emulators, for any kind of distribution.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Arm9...ient=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

There are a lot of ARM9 emus there.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...la:en-US:official&q=Arm7+emulator&btnG=Search

And Arm 7 emus.

The PSP emu most likely does not run on x86 cores, or any commercial processors that we can buy. And it'd still be just a devkit and a portion emulator, most likely not the full thing.

 

[bobbyconover]

"LOOK, I DREW ANOTHER COCK!!! 8===o "

Heyyyyy! That's my favorite thing to do with my DS and I'm 26 years old!

Until developers develop games making good use of the 2nd screen, I won't touch a DS.

Sawaru Made in Wario comes out in 4 days, so the wait won't be too difficult. I'd say a new sequel to what many consider to be one of the finest GBA games, entirely built around the touch screen, is a pretty good killer app.

 

[Miburou]

Trolling is annoying, but when someone is also constantly playing dumb and acting innocent (like gigadent) or putting a smiley after their trolling (like grubdog), then they're doubly annoying. The board will be a shade better for that, at least for a while.

As for the subject of this thread, some people might be wowed by they DS's touchscreen, while others might be more impressed with the PSP's sleeker design and better graphics (and you're fooling yourself if you think casuals don't care about graphics).

 

[Takuan]

PSP has more "wow" factor for me only because of its looks. Other than that, neither its features nor software library impress me at all. Same goes for the DS. If I had to choose, I'd buy a PSP just because of the stronger hardware.

 

[Jonnyram]

But none of those emulators are commercial.

I wouldn't say the GBA emulators are "commercial" either - certainly some legal grey areas there.

a contrived gimmick spefically designed to compensate for the archaic graphics

Oh, come on! You make it sound like Nintendo can't make better graphics. If they left out the touch screen, put in a better GPU and took a loss to sell the handheld at a price that was less than 50% its manufacturing cost, they could probably get GC-quality graphics

 

[XS+]

"Those without a frame of reference might be impressed by the DS. But most gamers, accustomed to playing current gen hardware, will look at the dated graphics of the DS and meet them with a "WTF? These graphics suck" or "Mom, can I trade this DS in for a PSP??" After school, they'll come home envious of those toying with Sony's latest gem of ingenuity. To those unable to grasp how someone can be so dismissive of the DS, go play an N64 game: Take note of how horrible it looks, consider the limitations of the DS and own up to how farcical its release is."

actually - for school kids, i'd think that Pictochat would be the killer app

"LOOK, I DREW ANOTHER COCK!!! 8===o "
"LOL... THAT NEVER GETS OLD!!"

I don't think kids really care about graphics to be honest , remember , Pokemon looks like ass - and kids are all over that like bees around honey.

Constrained by the primitive technology of the DS, developers focusing on 3D will find their games to be of a grotesque sort, constantly held up to the current gen visuals pushed by your average PSP title. That will almost certainly persuade many to pass on the DS. The marketing blitz that will accompany the PSP's release is bound to have an impact, too, giving millions an opportunity to compare the two.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

I thought PSP used a MIPS CPU. A very documented CPU family.

If you want to look at it that way:

The PS2 is based on a customized MIPS R5900.
The PSP is based on a customized MIPS R4000.

The argument still stands.

 

[DCharlie]

"It's lazy design, a contrived gimmick spefically designed to compensate for the archaic graphics. In this age, there is no point in attempting 3D without the right tools. Current 3D has a fleeting lifespan, with new technology always pushing the envelope that closes one window while opening another."

Agreed partially - but by the same logic, the PSP is consigned to the same impending fate, and with that in mind, the DS's extras (touch screen, mic in, two screens) then at least give it something that can carry it through surely? Once the PSP is trumped, what can it fall back on? (i guess movie play back)

actually - it can fall back on what i assume will be a kick ass library... but the DS should also have that too.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

I wouldn't say the GBA emulators are "commercial" either - certainly some legal grey areas there.

No, the processors within the DS are commercially, legally emulated. When GBA emulation interest started, early GBA emus were based off of commercial ARM9 emulators, instructions and code. The DS uses the same processor as the one in the GBA. The GBA ARM9 is running at 13.3 - 16MHz while the one in the DS runs at a smooooov 67MHz with an ARM7 running at 33MHz on the side.

Emulators of consoles and handhelds are, 99% of the time, unless the company copyrights the system design, legal. The ROMS however are intellectual content and are illegal.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Agreed partially - but by the same logic, the PSP is consigned to the same impending fate, and with that in mind, the DS's extras (touch screen, mic in, two screens) then at least give it something that can carry it through surely?

Sony officially unveiled the PSP mic I thought. They resembled the cell-phone peices? They unveiled something called the Talkman too, which is supposed to translate what you say into other languages.

The info for Talkman here

 

[DCharlie]

oh yeah, forgot about that!

A Kanji dictionary for DS would rock, if you are reading Nintendo!

 

[mashoutposse]

"It's lazy design, a contrived gimmick spefically designed to compensate for the archaic graphics. In this age, there is no point in attempting 3D without the right tools. Current 3D has a fleeting lifespan, with new technology always pushing the envelope that closes one window while opening another."

Agreed partially - but by the same logic, the PSP is consigned to the same impending fate, and with that in mind, the DS's extras (touch screen, mic in, two screens) then at least give it something that can carry it through surely? Once the PSP is trumped, what can it fall back on? (i guess movie play back)

actually - it can fall back on what i assume will be a kick ass library... but the DS should also have that too.

If the PSP is trumped, it will assume an XBOX-like role of being the choice for those who want the most powerful hardware. That's a big "if" -- with the announced pricing, Sony will likely not encounter any trouble selling every single unit they produce during the first 12-18 months.

 

[Miburou]

If a Kanji dictionary where you draw the Kanji, or parts of it, using the stylus is released for the DS, then I'll buy one immediately.