midnightAI
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Heh, foveated rendering at work, he's looking at the bewbs so the face is out of focusLow res Aloy
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GHG
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Looks like the hardware is very good. My only issue at this moment in time is that other than GT7 and the RE games there's not much else that I want to play or don't already have on the Quest (or quest via PC).
So I'll wait for now but for people new to VR or only upgrading from the PSVR1 this looks solid.
So I'll wait for now but for people new to VR or only upgrading from the PSVR1 this looks solid.
Also the steam deck just became available where I live so I just had to.
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Ar¢tos
Member
You seriously expected Sony to make a device, sold at a likely loss or tiny profit, compatible with PC, where games are bought in non-sony storefronts and where they get ABSOLUTELY NOTHING per game sale?
There is no profit in hardware sales, all the profit comes from software.
Sony is not a charity institution.
A lot of PC users seem to be salty that PSVR2 costs 500$ and the most similar PC equivalent costs at least double that.
PCVR is fragmented and headsets are produced in smaller amounts by order, so obviously they are more expensive for the same tech.
Sony is an electronics manufacturer with a big Image and Sensors division where most of the stuff and R&D for PSVR2 comes from, then there is an ever growing install base to whom Sony can use its marketing power to advertise psvr2.
Yeah I'm gonna stop you right there. I said it was a non-starter for me. I don't need a pseudo-economics lecture about the profit woes of a multibillion dollar multinational corporation. I have no idea, clue or care about the "PC VR market" - I simply am not interested in something, as good as it is, that is only for use on a console that is getting less and less use now that I have a decent PC rig.
ssringo
Member
Reviews looking good. Something that really resonated with me in Eurogamer's review was how he'd forget it was even there whereas with the Quest 2 he'd be adjusting it every so often. This was a problem I had as well. Going any tighter hurt (headache) so it'd always shift ever so slightly.
Also really impressed with the eye tracking and how it would show you your eye movement during setup and then uses it to get the lens set up in the correct position. Again, a problem I had with the Quest 2 was the 3 positions for the lens was never quit right. It was serviceable but it always felt just a little off. With PSVR2 you can get it dead on for whatever fucked up shapemy your head and eyes are. Win!
Also really impressed with the eye tracking and how it would show you your eye movement during setup and then uses it to get the lens set up in the correct position. Again, a problem I had with the Quest 2 was the 3 positions for the lens was never quit right. It was serviceable but it always felt just a little off. With PSVR2 you can get it dead on for whatever fucked up shape
systemr123
Banned
Say goodbye to your brightnessThis is the bit i'm pumped about.
Ar¢tos
Member
Bye then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PlayedStation
Member
Whoa, almost makes me wanna put in my order again!
Mr.Phoenix
Member
While I am not saying there won't be VR exclusives, because there will be, but I don't think it even needs them. You seem to look at VR as this whole other thing, I look at it as just another controller interface. The same way I look at the $500+ cockpit or $300+ racing wheel... a game like GT7, or arsetto, wasn't made for VR, a franchise like Ace combat didn't start off as a VR IP, but VR could ultimately be the BEST way to play such games.
Sooner or later, devs would figure out how to incorporate VR into an FPS or some other genre in such a way that the games of the genre are better off for it. It would become one of these things that you won't think too much of until you go to someone's house, play a game you already own in a way you didn't think possible, and go buy one on your way back home.
Even dual analog sticks took over a generation for devs to get right and properly implement in games. VR is in the same pace right now, and that's why I applaud sony for even trying. Give the devs time to come to grips with it, and I am sure we will see some pretty great stuff. And VR piggybacking onto existing established franchises or IPs now is the safest way to go. Cause make no mistake, it cost far less doing that than porting the game onto a whole new platform.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Actually according to Polyphony, GT7 was made with VR in mind.
Also, steering wheels and other optional peripherals generally don't have their own large library of exclusive games. That would be like comparing Kinect to a light-gun.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Ok, then let me rephrase, the GT franchise, was not made for VR. GT is a racing game at the end f the day. And it looks like and plays like every GT game before it. It now will have full support for VR, which doesn't mean can only work with a VR headset.
And on the peripheral...I didn't say one is the same as the other. I said, `to me`, I look at VR like a peripheral. like another way to experience games that I am already playing...with the added benefit of having games designed specifically for it. Which ina, just means it ultimately has a better chance of doing better than a stand-alone peripheral, because it allows you to do different things. And I chose those examples to make a point, If I or people are wing to spend $300 for a racing wheel and $500+ for a cockpit, just to play ONE genre of games, you see where I am going with that right?
Heck, right now am just waiting for someone to go in-depth into just how the theatre mode works and looks to decide if I should buy it or not. VR gaming isn't even the primary reason I want it.
Romulus
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TIGERCOOL
Member
do we know if it supports VRR?
SLB1904
Banned
Good question
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why you say that?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Quest is a terrible pcvr. Even wired it’s still sending compressed video. It looks terrible. Try playing dirt in vr or any darker game.
It’s low hz, compressed, heavy as fuck, clunky with oculus software and steam vr combined. And it’s lcd.
Even rift S was much better for pc.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
But that seems to be the only thing it will be able to do at launch. I have not seen anything on how it works with other VR apps like YouTube VR or a VR browser for example. I am interested to see more on this but I guess we will have to wait until its released.
TIGERCOOL
Member
Seems not. From the Eurogamer review:
"More importantly, the headset supports 2D games capable of 120Hz output and HDR, which basically means you have a full 120Hz HDR OLED screen for use with your regular content. It's a very powerful feature indeed, missing only VRR support."
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
A good theatre mode is enough for me. Just need details on how it looks and what is the virtual screen size equivalent. I was thinking about getting a TV for my bedroom, mostly only for gaming sessions and plex where I am too lazy to go to the living room. Which would mean I have a second PS5. If theatre mode in this is any good, I would take a VR headset over buying a 55-inch TV for my room.
Tygeezy
Member
No, because VR headsets use a sort of black frame insertion in order for motion clarity to be as high as possible. You can't have both black frame insertion and VRR at the same time. On the plus side for the people like blur busters who champion motion clarity above everything 120 fps games should have CRT level clarity.
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Loxus
Member
Doesn't seem like it.
Sony PlayStation VR2: the Digital Foundry hardware review
More importantly, the headset supports 2D games capable of 120Hz output and HDR, which basically means you have a full 120Hz HDR OLED screen for use with your regular content. It's a very powerful feature indeed, missing only VRR support.
Tygeezy
Member
The launch lineup is really robust. You would be hard pressed to find as good of a launch lineup for any new console.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
It supports 120Hz and with the regular (albeit shitty) strap is lighter than the PSVR2 and it's only slightly heavier than the PSVR2 with the elite strap. You can stream at up to 150Mbps with HEVC which is more than sufficient and is pretty close to HDR 4k bluray. Virtual Desktop is completely fluid and easy to use.
It does have some latency and it does have lcd screens.
Gamerguy84
Member
Well I feel better about the purchase after seeing several reviews.
Definitely looks like a very solid piece of hardware. High end VR at a good price. Well kind of pricey but looks like your getting what you pay for in this case.
Edit Also for those of us without a nice OLED TV enjoy your new OLED TV. Can't wait to use the media apps as well.
Definitely looks like a very solid piece of hardware. High end VR at a good price. Well kind of pricey but looks like your getting what you pay for in this case.
Edit Also for those of us without a nice OLED TV enjoy your new OLED TV. Can't wait to use the media apps as well.
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Tygeezy
Member
Naw man, in darker games the compression artifacts rear its ugly head. I played through alyx and tried both wired and wireless and the HEVC codec isn't close to native. You add about 20-30 ms of latency in the case of airlink as well. It's definitely playable, but a far cry from native.
It's nowhere close to a "HDR 4k blu ray." The quest 2 just doesn't have the contrast because of it's lcd panel with no local dimming. The lenses also have awful godrays which would be a nightmare with ultra bright scenes.
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Tygeezy
Member
It's playable, but certainly a far cry from a native experience. I used link/airlink because that's the only way to play alyx on the quest 2. The compression was very noticeable around lamp posts, or any light source; especially when you are in a darker environment. Link/airlink works better on very bright games where the compression isn't as noticeable. It's something you can live with to play a really good game, but I opt to play the quest 2 version of games even when they come with a rift copy so i'm not dealing with compression and I get much lower latency.
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Tygeezy
Member
$550 dollars is a lot of money, but it's not for a VR headset of this quality. If this was released as a pcvr headset it would easily go for 1k. The valve index plus two controllers for comparison still sells for $750 and is always out of stock. It's also very old and outdated at this point. For an entire kit which is what you need to play anyway it cost 1k.
https://store.steampowered.com/sub/354231/
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
What I mean is the compression isn't really the main issue, it's close to what a 4K bluray would look like on a budget no brand LCD TV. I mean as soon as you turn it on the gray blacks are obvious.
Tygeezy
Member
You don' see compression artifacts on 4k blu rays because you aren't zoomed in with lenses like you are in VR. They are very obvious on link on the quest 2.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
I've noticed several people online have posted similar since the reviews have come out. Probably someone is working on a video as we speak.
Crayon
Member
I think worst case, first shipment sells out.
I should say I guess instead of I think because I don't have a thing to back that up lol.
sncvsrtoip
Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Great scores for Kayak VR and Moss 2.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
This confirms that PSVR2 is the final evolution of its ancient predecessor, the Glasstron and the HMZ family of head mounted TV displays.
So, the Sony TV has been shrunk down to a headset. There is definitely an additional market for this. My theory that they will eventially sell a non-playstation headset is coming closer to reality. Sony would only allow porn if they can take the playstation label off the thing.
Crayon
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Crayon
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I wish this was wireless. It would have been day 1 for me. PS5 is big and I'm scared I'll tug on the wire and knock over the TV.
This is why Baki wears velcro shoes.
Baki
Member
With lights on them.
Mikey Jr.
Member
I wish this was wireless. It would have been day 1 for me. PS5 is big and I'm scared I'll tug on the wire and knock over the TV.
The wire is like 3000 feet.
TIGERCOOL
Member
you usually need vrr for those modes unfortunately
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Yea pretty much this. My wife has been screaming at me to get this. I have a scei discount I can use but there's just not enough games right now.
Hopefully project wingman comes soon within 3 months.