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[Nintendo's Witch]

Fix yo clouds Gorilla.

 

[Captain Toad]

It's just the bushes with a color swap.

 

[Tommi84]

DC had clouds that affect lighting during gameplay

I will NEVER forgive Sony for killing this studio and my chances to get a sequel and 4k/60fps patch

 

[CamHostage]

Fix yo clouds Gorilla.

They... did?

 

[legacy24]

these are "next gen" clouds

 

[GHG]

PC + PS5 + Steam deck is the best combo this gen without a doubt

Fixed.

 

[GHG]

Its not close.

MS Flight Simulator is an entire system, not just that but the cloud occludes light. The Cloud is also casts shadow and is also self shadowing. This is without even mentioning whether phenomenon (rain, rainbow, hurricane, storms, cloud types and formation, etc) and physics.

This would all be fine and dandy if they didn't downgrade the shit out of the clouds just in time for the console release.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/...clouds-are-back-starting-with-1-14-5-0/375977

 

[CamHostage]

True.
DC had clouds that affect lighting during gameplay, so for example you had races where a part of a track was rainy and another part was sunny.

That's why DC still has the best transition from sun to rain in a videogame, and it's still unmatched.

But that's a result of DriveClub using something like a 2.5D cloud system, right? As I understand it, they generate a 2D pattern of where they want clouds to be and of what type/density and what movement speed (mixed with noise and other compounding factors), and then that's converted into the voxel system for propagating 3D cloud spaces according to the instructions of that pattern where visible.

It's an effective solution for something ground-based like a racing game (and they went the extra mile by having rain events selectively trigger when under cloud cover of precipitation-level density,) but that wouldn't be the approach needed in the airborne "landscape" that has to be made for flight through the clouds to work here.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

And not just for show:

Now they need to patch this stuff into the main game! Come on Guerilla! Can't be having a dlc looking better than the base game!

Please?

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

True.
DC had clouds that affect lighting during gameplay, so for example you had races where a part of a track was rainy and another part was sunny.

That's why DC still has the best transition from sun to rain in a videogame, and it's still unmatched.

It's so cruel that Sony hasn't patched this

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

I will NEVER forgive Sony for killing this studio and my chances to get a sequel and 4k/60fps patch

Here's the thing ...what's REALLY stopping Sony from patching DC for 4k/60? Nothing! Other than they just don't feel like it. I think this mentality is really shitty. A patch for this wouldn't take all that much effort, would make fans happy and bolster PS5 library and PS+ services.

It's a win win. Same goes for lots of other games on MS and Sony's catalogue from last gen. This kills me.

 

[Kvally]

This would all be fine and dandy if they didn't downgrade the shit out of the clouds just in time for the console release.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/...clouds-are-back-starting-with-1-14-5-0/375977

I remember reading they fixed the clouds in SU10. I haven’t seen that issue.

 

[jorgejjvr]

Is this standalone? I want to play this even tho i didnt finish the og game

 

[GHG]

I remember reading they fixed the clouds in SU10. I haven’t seen that issue.

You're playing on console, you don't know any better.

It's a well known issue on PC and has been since they released an update in preparation for the console release.

 

[Kvally]

You're playing on console, you don't know any better.

It's a well known issue on PC and has been since they released an update in preparation for the console release.

I know quite a bit actually

 

[RCU005]

I wonder if all these changes will apply to all the game once it’s updated, or just the burning shore zone/area.

 

[adamsapple]

And not just for show:

Tunnels and caves ... in the clouds ?

what ?

 

[Hobbygaming]

Dumb question, how is this different than the cloud system in flight simulator?

You don't need the cloud

Pun intended

 

[Hobbygaming]

The clouds when they see Aloy

 

[mrmustard]

The clouds when they see Aloy

Those are the Zero Dawn clouds. Here are the Forbidden West clouds when they see Aloy:

 

[Hobbygaming]

Those are the Zero Dawn clouds. Here are the Forbidden West clouds when they see Aloy:

But why? She looks better now

 

[Hobbygaming]

Those are the Zero Dawn clouds. Here are the Forbidden West clouds when they see Aloy:

Forbidden West wins

 

[mrmustard]

Forbidden West wins

Zero Dawn wins by a landslide.

 

[Esppiral]

Dumb question, how is this different than the cloud system in flight simulator?

Sony exclusive

 

[geary]

CS2 has the best "clouds" in form of flashbangs...

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Zero Dawn wins by a landslide.

Isn't the right screenshot from a scene in a mission that's not even in the final game?

 

[mrmustard]

Isn't the right screenshot from a scene in a mission that's not even in the final game?

No idea, i only played and finished Zero Dawn.

 

[Fabieter]

Hopefully this also applies to the base game tho.

 

[Thebonehead]

I have the feeling it will be PC + Switch by the end of this gen.

Yuzu says hello

 

[nkarafo]

True.
DC had clouds that affect lighting during gameplay, so for example you had races where a part of a track was rainy and another part was sunny.

That's why DC still has the best transition from sun to rain in a videogame, and it's still unmatched.

I need to get a PS4 for this game, along with P.T and Shadow of Colossus Remake.

 

[Wind's Howling]

Hopefully this also applies to the base game tho.

I asked the same thing but thinking about it made me ask myself why it wouldn't apply to the base game.

Unless they are making it a zone with a loading screen you can not create an entire updated version of the cloud system and only have it in one region.

The difference will be absolutely jarring when you are flying around the world.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Zero Dawn wins by a landslide.

I said what I said

 

[Utherellus]

This looks exactly like Flight Simulator's voxel cloud rendering? Is it not in the same vein?

Fundamentally yes, but Flight Sim has a lot more going on under the hood. They are pushing crazy complex simulations both physically and graphically, heavily embedded with the climate simulation of an earth.

Well, explainable as it's a big focus of the game.

 

[UnNamed]

But that's a result of DriveClub using something like a 2.5D cloud system, right? As I understand it, they generate a 2D pattern of where they want clouds to be and of what type/density and what movement speed (mixed with noise and other compounding factors), and then that's converted into the voxel system for propagating 3D cloud spaces according to the instructions of that pattern where visible.

It's an effective solution for something ground-based like a racing game (and they went the extra mile by having rain events selectively trigger when under cloud cover of precipitation-level density,) but that wouldn't be the approach needed in the airborne "landscape" that has to be made for flight through the clouds to work here.

I don't remember what type of tech they used, so you're probably right.
But at this point, since everybody could use the same technique, someone should explain why DC is so effective compared to other games.

 

[digdug2]

Tunnels and caves ... in the clouds ?

what ?

I would assume that the cloud coverage is probably hiding geological features and formations. I hope there aren't actually cloud caves because that would defy all logic and reasoning.

 

[Hobbygaming]

 

[SleepySlippy]

PS5 + PC + Switch is the best combo this gen without a doubt.

This + Xbox Series X.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Zero Dawn wins by a landslide.

That's not the model they went with in the final game. She looks very pretty/hot in the final game build.

 

[mrmustard]

That's not the model they went with in the final game. She looks very pretty/hot in the final game build.

The last pic didn't help to prove she looks better than in ZD. But if my pic was just a design it's not as bad as i thought.

 

[Fabieter]

I asked the same thing but thinking about it made me ask myself why it wouldn't apply to the base game.

Unless they are making it a zone with a loading screen you can not create an entire updated version of the cloud system and only have it in one region.

The difference will be absolutely jarring when you are flying around the world.

Would be awesome. I just don't want to be disappointed

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

Dumb question, how is this different than the cloud system in flight simulator?

These clouds have a game attached to them.

 

[ChiefDada]

These clouds have a game attached to them.

 

[GymWolf]

Now they need to patch this stuff into the main game! Come on Guerilla! Can't be having a dlc looking better than the base game!

Please?

It was already the case for frozen wild, better snow tech and digital acting, the game was a step up over zero dawn.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I'm going to take so many more screenshots come 4/19

 

[RoadHazard]

So I guess with all these upgrades and it not being possible on PS4 this DLC will be a completely separate thing and not connected to the rest of the game? Like, it won't be a new area in the same world? Maybe Frozen Wilds was like that too, never played it.

 

[midnightAI]

Zero Dawn wins by a landslide.

Like plastic dolls Huh?

 

[GenericUser]

Next level clouds?! Gaming is saved!

 

[staticshock]

Cloud-to-cloud shadows are also a thing in Horizon now.

Casting Shadows, Self shadowing, Multiple cloud layers, etc? Not according to the gif we have seen.
Thats why the clouds looks so painted/flat compared to MSFS.

 

[midnightAI]

Casting Shadows, Self shadowing, Multiple cloud layers, etc? Not according to the gif we have seen.
Thats why the clouds looks so painted/flat compared to MSFS.

Don't know which gif you are watching, but yes, they cast shadows onto other clouds and themselves.

I really don't understand where you get 'flat' from, they look like volumetric clouds to me.

Just because these look great doesn't mean FS clouds look any worse so why so defensive?

 

[Vick]

Those are the Zero Dawn clouds. Here are the Forbidden West clouds when they see Aloy:

Zero Dawn wins by a landslide.