George Claw M.D.
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I always feed 5 at a time, unless it's the last skill-up.
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Cosmo Clock 21
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There's an Ancient Chinese Secret (which is probably complete bullshit and I'm going to regret introducing this meme three seconds after hitting reply) which claims that skillup rates fluctuate per a rate determined approximately every minute.
The idea according to the superstition is to fuse something shitty, say Bomb, at :00, and if you get multiple skillups then you've hit a "good minute" and you should fuse shit as much as you can before that minute goes up. If you get lucky you might even be in the legendary "1/1 minute" where every one fusion grants one skillup..!
Basically confirmation bias in full swing.
The idea according to the superstition is to fuse something shitty, say Bomb, at :00, and if you get multiple skillups then you've hit a "good minute" and you should fuse shit as much as you can before that minute goes up. If you get lucky you might even be in the legendary "1/1 minute" where every one fusion grants one skillup..!
Basically confirmation bias in full swing.
It's 20% chance per monster fed no matter how many you feed at a time.
Septimus Prime
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Sure. Seems like it does work that way sometimes, I guess.
I also have a personal (bullshit, probably) theory that the chance for skill up is linked to the specific slot you use to feed the monster to your base monster. Because why not? I seem to have the best luck in the third slot, and sometimes I can combo the two ancient Chinese secrets (btw, I'm Chinese, so there you go) to go 2-for-2 using the third slot.
Anyway, during this event, I got Cu Chulainn's skill from 3 to max, Seigfried's from 1 to 4, Lilith from 4 to max, a second Lilith from 2 to 6, Gigas from 1 to max (!), and Valkyrie from 1 to 2. I also dumped skill up fodder into Mastering and Frost Demon, but I haven't been keeping track of those. I got 0 skill ups for MFK.
Why would the programmers spend the time to implement any of these very convoluted mechanics when there is absolutely no benefit in it, especially when it would be an absolute nightmare to find any bugs.
The answer is that randomness is random and there is nothing we can do to influence it at all.
The answer is that randomness is random and there is nothing we can do to influence it at all.
Septimus Prime
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Yes, but pet theories keep us sane when we don't get skill ups for the zillionth time in a row. =)
At least it's still better than, "2 times 0 is still 0."
I also believe it's very random. I had horrible rates when the event first started but I've now gotten skill ups every time I have fed several at a time now.
Conversely, I had 40+ pulls from the PAL machine and have 0 metal dragons to show for. I was about to post if this is normal because I've always gotten several before in the last event, but I decided to chalk it up to RNG going RNG.
Conversely, I had 40+ pulls from the PAL machine and have 0 metal dragons to show for. I was about to post if this is normal because I've always gotten several before in the last event, but I decided to chalk it up to RNG going RNG.
There's some truth to that myth, though it's not by design.
Most computer randomization is done by using the internal clock, down to milliseconds, and then apply an algorithm to reach a pseudo random number. If the algorithm is not perfect, you're more likely to see patterns.
For example, the Windows implementation of PHP is known to generation not so random numbers.
Even if that's the case here, however, I don't think there's a way to predict when the rolls are going in your favor. It's just that there will be higher chance for good and bad streaks.
Most computer randomization is done by using the internal clock, down to milliseconds, and then apply an algorithm to reach a pseudo random number. If the algorithm is not perfect, you're more likely to see patterns.
For example, the Windows implementation of PHP is known to generation not so random numbers.
Even if that's the case here, however, I don't think there's a way to predict when the rolls are going in your favor. It's just that there will be higher chance for good and bad streaks.
burntchomsky
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Ughhh no...i'm sorry, that would be terrible...
Obviously my earlier comment was tongue in cheek. It's random, shit happens and you go on bad runs. It helps to vent. But there is now way ill believe that 20% is the skill up chance.
But playing devils advocate. There's reason to program that type of crap when people are feeding money into your pockets to keep buying imaginary magic stones.
George Claw M.D.
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Yeah. I don't think the game intentionally trolls me or anything like that. Though I can understand that perception can make it seem so. And I don't think there's any difference with feeding 1 or 5 at a time. I just do 5 to save time and because there's more of a chance of getting at least 1 skill-up at feeding time. So if I feed 20, 5 at a time, and get only 1 skill-up each time, I may be only getting a 20% rate, but I'm getting a positive outcome 100% of the time, which is satisfying. If I fed 20, 1 at a time, I'd still be getting a 20% rate, but I'd be experiencing failure 80% of the time. And it's impossible to get that, "Hell yeah!" feeling of scoring multiple skill-ups in a single feeding, if you feed 1 at a time. So, same in-game results in the end, but I'm human, so the 5 at a time method grants me that satisfying psychological bonus. And aren't games about having fun? =)
Septimus Prime
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See, I feel the opposite way. I feel like there's a higher chance if I just drop one at a time, so that's what I do.
It's like how I always just buy one Power Ball ticket at a time. The odds are the same, more or less (I know they're not, but they're so close to 0 that they are).
Cosmo Clock 21
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The old Ancient Chinese Secret was that you had a higher chance feeding 1 at a time instead of 5 at once unless there was a 2x skillup event going on. You could probably make up any one weird olde tip discovered by a local mom for skillups and someone would pipe up "YEAH THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE", so
George Claw M.D.
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We're talking about 2 different things. I don't do 5 at a time because I think my chances are better. I believe my chances are the same either way. But if I feed 5 at a time, there will be less feedings without a skill-up. For a another example, say I feed 10 mobs, 5 at a time, for a total of 2 feedings, and get 1 skill-up. 1 out of 2 feedings got a skill-up. If I feed those 10 mobs, 1 at a time, and get 1 skill-up, that's only 1 out of 10 feedings that got a skill-up. So, it's the same skill-up chances for every monster fed, but a higher rate of success in terms of number of feedings. It's a silly thing that plays on positive reinforcement. But it's ineffective if you're a soulless android. =P
I have no idea if that clarified my explanation. I'll just leave it at that.
Septimus Prime
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No, I know. I know the odds don't change either way. It just makes me feel better to do one at a time, like it does you to do five at a time. =)
George Claw M.D.
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Oh man. For your sanity, please tell me you saved your Poporings, Cosmo.
I must have eaten 30 or so Poporings for xp in the past week. Damn!
Come back Xel we miss you.
So many of us in this thread aren't spending any money. Just remove your cc from iTunes.
Well hello there, stranger!
You still got your account files saved? You could still be disciplined like Cosmo and the others and casually play for free. You're always welcome back! No pressure though.
Yeah, I still have them :s I'll think about it!
What have been the major changes in the past half year? Not just as far as new monsters, but systematically.BetaTester
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PDX 8 Aug Update - New Monsters
Athena
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=648
Awoken Athena
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=649
Red Skydragon El Dorado's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=772
Blue Skydragon Nirai Kanai's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=773
Wood Skydragon Horai's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=774
Holy Skydragon Shangri-La's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=775
Night Skydragon Elysion's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=776
I will update the rest of them in an hour.
Athena
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=648
Awoken Athena
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=649
Red Skydragon El Dorado's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=772
Blue Skydragon Nirai Kanai's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=773
Wood Skydragon Horai's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=774
Holy Skydragon Shangri-La's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=775
Night Skydragon Elysion's Ultimate Evolution
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=776
I will update the rest of them in an hour.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I am ready to get another 5 Siegfrieds
The game just downloaded a 12 part update. Groove Coaster?
Edit: oh snap it is. Here's what they skillup
[JP] JP players, the skills for GC Collab subs as well as data for Athena has been pushed down.
Fire GC Subs - Skill up Ares
Water GC Subs - Skill up I&I
Wood GC Subs - Skill up Artemis
Benny Ng
Light GC - For 2 turns Balanced type attack 1.5x
Dark GC - 300 confirmed damage to a single enemy.
Benny Ng
Leader skill:
Fire GC - 2x HP for Physical type
Water GC - 2x HP for Balanced type
Wood GC - 2x HP for Attacker type
Light GC - (I don't know)
Dark GC - HP below 10%, 5x attack
Athena - 3x attack for God type
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
US PAD is no longer the red-headed stepchild and actually stays at most a month behind in content from JP, and gets events and Godfests every ten days as opposed to once a month. We've even started getting a few collab dungeons to skill up Gods.Yeah, I still have them :s I'll think about it!
The metagame has shifted away from Ammy/Grodin and now the hot shit is all about the hyper-defensive Archangel Lucifer. Alternatively, 16x ATK Horus teams and 25x Goemon teams if you like risk.
MMBosstones86
Member
there is probably no point in having 2 of the 2 Hereoes right? Not sure if i need to run that dungeon again if I already have both. Would rather get trolled in Poring.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Yeah, but I think it works like SOLAR LAZER where it pierces through defense. Wish it were high enough to kill a super king in one go, but oh well.
Yeah, I still have them :s I'll think about it!
The Egyptian gods have brought a really new and fun way to play based on matching specific colors. Goemon teams are a blast to play having to keep health under 20%. There have been a lot of dual elements and final evolutions added to the key characters in game. The content that is coming looks really fun as well, limited team cost dungeons, dual skill enemies that change resistance.
The game hasn't changed a ton but they continue to impress me by balancing the content so well and adding these minor tweaks that keep it fresh.
Edit: anyone notice the update this morning added 15 or so mobs? Was that the chinese gods maybe?
MMBosstones86
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Ahh thanks. So more junk outside of the skill ups?
Same. Terrible luck. :/
300 direct damage that ignores defense. Min cool down is 8 turns.
The light one is 1.5 Balanced ATK for 2 turns.
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=769
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=771
Also, the RGB version 2 monsters are 10 cost only with decent stats.
Only if you have the monsters the water, fire, and grass ones skill up. Otherwise I wouldn't write them off as junk as they all have decent stats so they could be useful subs in some teams for people who don't have the respective Gods they skill up.
The Light one has a unique skill though (1.5 for balance types for 2 turns vs King Bubblie's x3 for one turn and much better stats), and the Dark one has Goemon's leader skill but it's 10% instead of 20%.
Tubegameplayer uses a team with 2 collab attacker type monsters, echidna, king flamie and evolved samurai goblins as leaders. Now, I know we don't have the collab monsters he does, but I think they can just be replaced with more goblins, as he kills the draggie slime even though he misses a turn and doesn't use his Flamie at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0S0TnRq6l4
Yeah, I went looking after my post. The Poor Man's Goemon seems interesting to swap for Goemon on water dungeons with a few Vampires.
I also really want this guy's dungeon:
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=778
Dreamgazer
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For some odd reason I decided to waste some stones on the non-godfest Shadow Waltz REM. Here were the results:
Mystic White Knight
Thanatos, the dark elemental
Fairlio
Dryad.
Thantos
All horrible until...
Archangel Lucifer -> CDK -> Hades
all in a row.......was tempted to throw some money down to see if my insane luck would continue. This is way better than my usual godfest results.
Mystic White Knight
Thanatos, the dark elemental
Fairlio
Dryad.
Thantos
All horrible until...
Archangel Lucifer -> CDK -> Hades
all in a row.......was tempted to throw some money down to see if my insane luck would continue. This is way better than my usual godfest results.
MMBosstones86
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Does GungHo definitely need your three 3-digit ID to do a restore of your data? I dropped my iPhone in water and it was completely hosed, no I didn't do backup, yes I feel extremely stupid now
I looked at all my pictures I uploaded to twitter and none have that ID in it...maybe they will take pity upon me and look it up for me???
I looked at all my pictures I uploaded to twitter and none have that ID in it...maybe they will take pity upon me and look it up for me???
Does GungHo definitely need your three 3-digit ID to do a restore of your data? I dropped my iPhone in water and it was completely hosed, no I didn't do backup, yes I feel extremely stupid now
I looked at all my pictures I uploaded to twitter and none have that ID in it...maybe they will take pity upon me and look it up for me???
Did you ever post it in the gaf thread? Supposedly they need your secret support ID too, so I don't know how much it's going to help if you only have your game ID. If you ever made any backups of the account data (data048.bin?) that should work though.
As far as I know, before the secret code was made available, GungHo was still able to recover accounts, but you may have to jump through more hoops and provide more information to be able to do so.
The secret code is just a quick way to confirm account data and bypass most of the verification, I think. The better question is if you can use the secret code to ask for a restore cross-platform, by asking for the data on a new device, whether iOS - > Android or vice versa, as right now users can't migrate on their own.
The secret code is just a quick way to confirm account data and bypass most of the verification, I think. The better question is if you can use the secret code to ask for a restore cross-platform, by asking for the data on a new device, whether iOS - > Android or vice versa, as right now users can't migrate on their own.
What is kind of annoying is that I didn't have to do any of this headache for Clash of Clans, just click little cloud icon, load it up, "do you want to load your Lvl blah kingdom?" and it is back online...
For how much money they are making GungHo really needs to implement the same cloud save system...
For how much money they are making GungHo really needs to implement the same cloud save system...
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
They did put an account login system... into Princess Punt Sweets, their Angry Birds+PAD game.
Also Skydragon Rush is super free to Horus. No heal orbs = thanks GungHo
A hint of what's to come next week:
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/08/space-invaders-take-over-puzzle-dragons/
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/08/space-invaders-take-over-puzzle-dragons/
This is by far my most wanted feature. Tower of Saviors has the option to associate your account with Twitter, this isn't a hard thing and there is no excuse for not implementing it.
I love the game but I'm really getting frustrated with the lack of effort compared to the amount of money they are being showered in. How do they not have multiple backgrounds for each dungeon at this point? And being slowly spoon fed new content and then recycling sky dragons, "for anyone who missed them"? BS, it's called dragging out the content so you can keep lining your pockets. We are way behind Japan in content that we should have seen already.
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