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Puzzle & Dragons |OT| Pokemon + Bejeweled + Dungeon RPG on iOS/Android
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Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
At 15 stamina a pop though? No way.
I think the JP servers are currently exploded; NA servers were fine last I checked.
Edit: just kidding I can't even get past the splash screen on NA now.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Puzzle and Dragon up to 27 top grossing today... Can it beat Candy Crush or Clash of Clans tomorrow?
THAT would be a feat.
THAT would be a feat.
I just can't take the disappointment of 0/X runs
Edit: I feel like an idiot. I spent the past hour looking at iTunes cards and then remembered my phone is Android.
I've been watching the top grossing on iOS. They've been consistently in the top 26 and in the top 10 -15 during events. I don't think they've ever had the top spot though.
If they want the top spot: some special anniversary deal (to make clear that it's one time, or exceedingly rare) with 50% off stones, combined with a Greatest Hits/curated Godfest. No elemental bonuses. All comes out guaranteed as a +egg.
Yeah, buying stones is a joke.
I can understand paying for something if you get GUARANTEED access to it but paying for CHANCES to get something is anything but ridiculous. But I digress...
If DLC ever took this route, I don't think I'd want to play video games anymore. Then again, gamers are pretty vocal so it won't happen (good).
MMBosstones86
Member
Guess I could've worded it better. Doesn't really change my opinion how shitty this whole practice is though.
And yes, I enjoy the game as a non-IAP player.
Back to waiting for stamina...
Unfortunately this is not true. I tested it a long time ago and I just tested it again in the endless dungeon to be sure. The multiplier from Horus skill does not apply to other colours. It was likely the extra red damage from the combo multiplier that allowed you to oneshot Zeus.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I have no idea why they didn't do Murako instead of Floral Carnival for the Godfest; would have been perfect timing for a big PAD milestone and probably would have printed diamonds for GungHo.
It's been neat to see PAD climb the iOS top grossing charts, from a 100th baseline back in March to a 50th baseline right now to potentially a new 25th baseline in a new present. Think it has a good chance of unseating one of the top 5 this Godfest.
Could just be looking at it the wrong way. I'm non-IAP right now but since I've played this game for 8 months for free I'm considering throwing them a few bones for more shitty chances at chinese/archangel gods. I play
lol
hey guys spending money on something that you enjoy is stupid
and in PAD news, I guess i'll to do some runs for a few nagas, but if I go 0/15 again with 2x, i'll probably die
Well, I can't argue against that. If you think paying 60$ for 17 Mystics Knights at REM pulls is your idea of fun, more power to you (obviously won't happen but you get the point).
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Goemon 3: Goemon Harder (Water Mystery Dragon grants 5x ATK to water mons when below 5% HP, contrary to first reports)
This is obviously a very extreme opinion of the game. The way I see it there are certain categories of players in this game. The addicts, the hardcore, the dedicated and the casual.
Addicts are people who have gambling problems and who real casinos love. Xelios was in this category by self admission and she had to quit to stop spending.
The hardcore is someone who needs to get every mob and max +297 every possible team, spends money on the game because they enjoy it. I'm not sure why so many people think this is so bad, people can't seem to get over the "pretend/virtual" factor for buying stones. The way I see it, I can go out and buy a 12 pack of beer for $15+ (I like good beer). Why can't people buy stones for something the truly enjoy?
Dedicated (My category and a lot of people in this thread). Have spent some or no money on stones and play religiously.
Casual - try the game but eventually fall off like so many in this thread. May have spent some money.
I've personally spent around $20 and haven't spent anything since way back in February or March. I didn't think of it as buying overpriced stones, it was more about supporting Gungho and the great product they've provided (only usable mob I got from buying stones was Thor). I've spent more time with PAD this year than any other game, well worth the price of admission.
There's a reason why the guys who pay for stones have the best monster boxes in the game. When you pull a lot during increased God chances statistics are eventually going to win out. Yes, we all roll bad rolls and complain about it but over a long enough period of time you are going to get the mobs you want. This is why casinos always win.
Just because you're not comfortable with spending money for stones, don't knock others for doing so. To each their own.
atlantaguy
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I can't speak for other big spenders, but the vast majority of stones I spend are on stamina refreshes. I'll spring for a few pulls on godfests, but in general it's more about being able to play the rarer dungeons as much as possible.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I'd categorize the people who try the game and quit out of frustration more as scrubs than casuals. Back when that Gamasutra article got published anout reward removal I laid off on roasting the author in the comments section cause I learned there did exist people who stone to continue as the article describes cause they considered their time more valuable than wasting stamina and grinding trying to come up with an effective party.
The opposite of those type of people would be "power gamers", who spend time micromanaging stamina, skill levels, and party composition to minimize deaths in dungeons, although ironically they may have spent more stones preparing their party in the process. Most of us in this thread fall into this category. Both demographics may spend stones or choose to stay F2P for differing reasons.
The opposite of those type of people would be "power gamers", who spend time micromanaging stamina, skill levels, and party composition to minimize deaths in dungeons, although ironically they may have spent more stones preparing their party in the process. Most of us in this thread fall into this category. Both demographics may spend stones or choose to stay F2P for differing reasons.
The sad thing about the dark/water versions with lower thresholds is that the multiplier's unchanged.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Dark/Water also have different tools at their disposal. Both colors can sub in Satan for an instant -9999 hit to RCV, Dark has access to Evil Ceres for Shower of Healing and Lucifer to instantly activate UFO, and Water has Viper Orochi who can conditionally activate Antikythera (who can then use Wisdom of the Ancients to leader swap in).
Septimus Prime
Member
There's also calculation of value. For example, I'm expecting to be spending some stones for Zeus-Dios. If it's 5 or less, though, it's a good bang for you buck, since it's the same price as playing the REM, but you're guaranteed something good.
Tonner Cyn
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Money spender here. Earlier on I would use stones to pull from the Fairlio machine but I have been pretty good about that lately (though I am considering buying for this godfest - when I really probably should have done when Archangel Lucifer was in there). Now I am spending the stones to refresh my stamina. By doing that, I have been able to get 5 dubmythlits today so I can undo Devil Ceres. I still need to get at least 1 more but will probably try to stock up a little since the 2x event is going on.
I'm not too particularly fond of bringing casino practices into games whether it be mobile or console or whatever but yes, to each their own.
I imagine I'd be in the dedicated group as well and it's not like I'm totally against money for stones seeing that their uses aren't limited to REM pulls. Hell, if I had about 125 stamina, I'd gladly pay $60 for 85 stones of stamina refreshing since that would log me more hours than I would in any game I have at the moment.
Actually now that I've thought about it some more, my only problem with the game is the REM. Stones for stamina refreshing is well worth the money (assuming you have at least 100+ stamina). Still, I'd prefer if REM pulling wasn't at the mercy of a random number generator when real money is involved. Hell, having a reward system where you spend a certain amount of money nets you a guaranteed egg pull from a pool of Gods would be amazing in itself.
This is why its so important to have a good starting roll.
If you can land a Lucifer, RA or Horus. (Especially Lucifer). You never have to roll again and instead spend your free stones on stamina and space. Both huge for gaining levels and plus eggs which actually help you more in the long run.
The game does a great job with dropable monsters.
You can go 2/4/2 with any starter dragon for single color.
You can go 4/1/4 with Noels or Lucifer is you rolled him.
ADK and Valk makes great fast killers.
Valk, Berserk, Cu makes great subs for Horus/RA.
Hera and Zeus for Gravity.
Enchilada for delay.
The only issue you might have is high defensive characters since Shiva and Neptune are rare eggs only. But those can be replace by light dark mech and Lilith (Lillith poison kinda sucks though.)
I've had some terrible rare rolls for my main account(Only decent non dropable is Neptune and Freyr and I got Neptune last Greek Godfest and have used him once so far).
I don't have any trouble in this game though. The only thing I ever wish for is a Lucifer or Horus. (Which is why I'm using all my stones this God Fest since Chinese Gods are kinda like Horus light).
burntchomsky
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Yeah, so is it's active leader switch then? This is pretty interesting really. With Tengu and this on your team, you could do something like start a dungeon with certain sort of team (resist, say), switch Tengu to leader to take a guaranteed single-hit, large damage from a monster, and switch this water leader in after the hit for burst damage as follow up. Perhaps from here you move on to a boss mob, who you Orochi, burst for the next four turns, then switch back to your resist / tengu, until you need your bust at the end of the boss's life.
Opens up a whole new play style, will be interesting if this sort of thing takes off.
you might want to keep the devil ceres if you pull an astaroth or archangel lucifer
I play the game religiously, but don't post as often in here (I post in the GW2 thread).
Tonner Cyn
Member
Argh! Don't confuse me even more!!!
I have a RoseValk healer team so Holy Ceres would fit in nicely right now. Of course, as soon as I do that and then make pulls during godfest I inevitable will draw a second Holy Ceres...the_log_ride
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Ugh. I was real gung ho about today. I was determined to get in that naga dungeon and farm. Right when it ticked midnight, I was lucky to get 6 nagas in 4 runs, which netted two skill ups. Fast forward, and haven't gotten any nagas since, having run it 16 times. I think I just may quit on this for now. 11 turns is good enough for now.
And to think I was planning to max skill 3 of them today. Maybe we'll get a two week stint of this one day.
And to think I was planning to max skill 3 of them today. Maybe we'll get a two week stint of this one day.
MMBosstones86
Member
...i see what you did there
Yeah. I'm at 0 for 4 runs so far, damn this dungeon sucks.
the_log_ride
Member
I guess after I posted that, the Gung Ho spies saw my resolve wavering.
I ran it again, got two naga drops, and got my first Enchilada to max skill level.
@MMboss, are you on my friend list? What's your in-game handle?
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Oh, I agree. Which is why I wish they'd run these for 2 weeks. You still get the shitty drop rates in a 2 week run, but your rage and stress is also spread out, making it more manageable. And plus you get that x2 drop rate.
I ran it again, got two naga drops, and got my first Enchilada to max skill level.
@MMboss, are you on my friend list? What's your in-game handle?
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Oh, I agree. Which is why I wish they'd run these for 2 weeks. You still get the shitty drop rates in a 2 week run, but your rage and stress is also spread out, making it more manageable. And plus you get that x2 drop rate.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
It bears repeating from the last time SSP rolled around but try not to let yourself get gung trolled by the dungeon too hard; getting shat on both drop and skillup rate wise for Nagas probably creates the most intense ragequits from PAD, even moreso than dogfest.
Tonner Cyn
Member
OK, so I went ahead and changed Devil Ceres to Holy Ceres (and even have 2 more dubmythlits left over). Here's my RoseValk/healer team:
Rose Valk (56, sl5)
Freyja, the Fertility Goddess (max)
Echidna, the Red Empress (max, sl5)
Siren, the Enchanter (86, max skill)
Lilith, the Witch of the Night (49, max skill)
Who do I take out for Ceres? I am guessing Lilith but want to make sure. Oh, and Ceres is only level 30 right now but she may have just jumped to the top of the priority list for my green creatures.
Rose Valk (56, sl5)
Freyja, the Fertility Goddess (max)
Echidna, the Red Empress (max, sl5)
Siren, the Enchanter (86, max skill)
Lilith, the Witch of the Night (49, max skill)
Who do I take out for Ceres? I am guessing Lilith but want to make sure. Oh, and Ceres is only level 30 right now but she may have just jumped to the top of the priority list for my green creatures.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Lilith.... easy...
also you may want to look into getting a King Shynee (EVO of Shynee blob that becomes "Healer" Type, needs a King Gold Dragon to EVO to though). It's active skill is 3x Healer ATKs for 1 turn. That is 27x ATK for 1 turn..
Things like to die during 27x ATK...
EDIT: you will have to be careful though because it is a light only monster, and it's HP/ATK/RCV is relatively low even compared to the other Healer ladies. it has a medium length skill delay as well
Septimus Prime
Member
So, I was just thinking, the best team in the game might be this:
Valk or Uriel
Echidna (max skill)
Echidna (max skill)
Echidna (max skill)
Echidna (max skill)
Valk or Uriel
You can put anything on perpetual lockdown with this.
Valk or Uriel
Echidna (max skill)
Echidna (max skill)
Echidna (max skill)
Echidna (max skill)
Valk or Uriel
You can put anything on perpetual lockdown with this.
Can't re-use Echidna's skill while the timer's active, even if it's back down to 1 round. Basically you can't stack uses. The enemy WILL get one turn in between each activation.
loooool
CALLED OUT
You'd need to wait one turn in between each echidna use though.
George Claw M.D.
Member
I've already theorized and built this team. And actually you only need 3 max skilled Echidnas for constant delay cycles. So the fourth slot would be better used for some type of burst damage or armor evading monster like King Shynee, gravity, poison, etc. You could even sub in Orochi for the times your Echidnas get bound.
The problem with the Valkyrie-led version is that you can't stack time delays. So a monster that attacks every turn will still be able to attack every 4 turns for example. The reason this is a problem is that Healer teams have notoriously low health. So it doesn't take a very strong boss to wipe your team in one hit between delays. This limits the team to bosses it can kill within 4 turns or bosses whose maximum attacks deal less damage than your team's HP.
The Uriel version addresses that problem with its 4xHP and would truly be a defensive fortress of a team. The obvious trade off is the loss of the 9x ATK multiplier, which will make dungeons take much longer to clear, especially those with high defense monsters. The other problem is actually finding other Uriels on your friend list.
I guess this wouldn't work on bosses with that cursed shield that makes them immune to everything though.
atlantaguy
Member
Haha well I had about 100 saved up due to indecision on where to put them. Once i pulled horus there was no question. I'm only about 15 away now and then Horus will be done. From there I'll be splitting them between Lucifer and Echidna.So that's how you got your Horus to 250+ so quickly.
I'm going to try really hard not to pull during this godfest since I already have Lucifer, Horus, and Ra, so I don't see any need for a Chinese god or am angel. I'll try to run sapphires a lot later and pump up my blue team a bit.
Exactly. And the bosses that hit for more than the max Hp this team can generate with special abilities. Not sure how many HP this team would have but it can't be too high. Even with 99 HP eggs your still at 2100 HP or so for each echidna.
My guess is that with max HP eggs the team would have around 60k HP. This would work on a lot dungeons but also fail to a lot.
I agree with Septimus and with cosmos comments. I don't need to roll this event the Chinese gods are similar to Horus. I just figure why not, they seem fun to play and i gotta catch em all.
For me, the management of stones, stamina and leveling is what makes the game so much fun.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I post at work on my phone lol.
Post 1 which covers most of the same stuff as the existing one minus the strategy and plus an extended tutorial is pretty much done asides from the graphics for it, which are hella awkward to do on a laptop with no Internet access. Post 2 which covers beginner and advanced strategy I might delay until after making the new thread, what say you guys?
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