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Quandary of the male virgin

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Dilbert

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Wendo said:
But for me personally, I haven't really found a girl that I've had a meaningful relationship with. I've had opportunities for a quick fling with random chicks at parties and such, but have turned them down. I guess I'm more of an old-fashioned romantic. And, in truth, I don't really posess much of a sex drive- it is seemingly diminishing as I grow older.

At this stage in my life, I am starting to question where I'm at in comparison to "the norm". People I went to high school with already have kids and houses and the like. Something like over 85% of people my age have already had sex. And so on.
Not to be blunt, but did you start this thread because you are unhappy being a virgin, or because you're happy to be one? I've reread your post a couple of times, and still can't figure out what it is that you want from the forum.

Yes, being a virgin at 21 is definitely outside the norm in a statistical sense. But if you're happy with the choices you've made, then statistics don't matter, right?

With that being said, you have some a priori ideas about sex which are hard to justify given your complete lack of experience. I mean, how do you know that a random hookup is a "bad" thing unless you've tried it? Yeah, it's not for everyone, but until you go out and have some experiences, it's strange to have such a strong feeling about what's right for you. As long as you're careful with your health and are honest about your intentions with your partners, there's nothing wrong with exploring sex with a variety of partners.

For what it's worth, I also lost my virginity later in life (I was 22), and it coincided with moving out on my own, discovering that alcohol wasn't necessarily a bad thing, and hanging out with a slightly different crowd of people. Not everyone I've slept with was someone I had an intense emotional connection with (though some were), but along the way, I learned from each of them. Now, I'm in a position (no pun intended) to be able to pleasure someone far better than I could have as a complete newbie.

Finally, although I won't rehash the story here since I believe I've already told it once, I ended up losing my virginity as the result of a bet. Some girls I worked with (damn cute ones, too) found out that I still had my V-card, and they started a pool to see who could be the first one to get me in the sack.
 

All Hail C-Webb

Hailing from the Chill-Web
-jinx- said:
Finally, although I won't rehash the story here since I believe I've already told it once, I ended up losing my virginity as the result of a bet. Some girls I worked with (damn cute ones, too) found out that I still had my V-card, and they started a pool to see who could be the first one to get me in the sack.

That must have been incredible. It's probably the best situation you could wish for, ever in life.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
All Hail C-Webb said:
That must have been incredible. It's probably the best situation you could wish for, ever in life.

Advantages of being an op. The panties, they just fly off. :D
 

ToxicAdam

Member
Boogie said:
No, you gave a poor hypothetical example :p



Umm, then why were you going on about being a virgin being such a roadblock anyway?


Because the MAJORITY of the time .. it is.

I was just demonstrating that I'm not some absolutist. I try to give advice from my personal experiences. You are giving advice on NO personal experiences. I guess that is what makes the internet great.
 

Crispy

Member
-jinx- said:
Finally, although I won't rehash the story here since I believe I've already told it once, I ended up losing my virginity as the result of a bet. Some girls I worked with (damn cute ones, too) found out that I still had my V-card, and they started a pool to see who could be the first one to get me in the sack.

My god!!! I'd kill for some girls like that at my job!!

I'm turning 21 in 3 months and I'm still a virgin. I see it as some sort of deadline, I want to get something done before I reach that age. Be it sex or a meaningful relationship, it can't go on the way it's going now! I'm watching some of David Deangelo's stuff right now and I'm just going to approach girls (never had the guts to do it until now). Things really have to change.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
-jinx- said:
Finally, although I won't rehash the story here since I believe I've already told it once, I ended up losing my virginity as the result of a bet. Some girls I worked with (damn cute ones, too) found out that I still had my V-card, and they started a pool to see who could be the first one to get me in the sack.
Umm......where did you work? And are they hiring?
 

ToxicAdam

Member
The amount of GAF virgins makes me sad for humanity. :(

Jinx's story should make it pretty clear that there are plenty of girls out there that WANT to give it up ... you just have to put yourself out there (like he did) instead of waiuting for this mystical "Mrs. Right" that is going to be everything you ever wished for.


Sometimes your first time is with the slutty Starbucks girl with acne (like mine was)... and sometimes its with your future wife. You have to go out and live a little.
 

Megafoo Chavez

I love EGM
the fatter you are and the more time you spend on the internet = less chance of you getting laid. I say if you are over 20 and are still a virgin, it is because you haven't been trying..AT ALL.
 

MoxManiac

Member
The amount of GAF virgins makes me sad for humanity. :(

Jinx's story should make it pretty clear that there are plenty of girls out there that WANT to give it up ... you just have to put yourself out there (like he did) instead of waiuting for this mystical "Mrs. Right" that is going to be everything you ever wished for.


Sometimes your first time is with the slutty Starbucks girl with acne (like mine was)... and sometimes its with your future wife. You have to go out and live a little.

To clairify, i'm not one of those waiting for the "perfect" person (an illogical plan at best) but rather that I am neither insecure nor bothered about my supposed "virginity". I'm not any less intelligent or capable because I haven't had sex, bud.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
ToxicAdam said:
Sometimes your first time is with the slutty Starbucks girl with acne (like mine was)... and sometimes its with your future wife. You have to go out and live a little.

HAWT! Pics...pics, I say!11!
 

aoi tsuki

Member
ToxicAdam said:
The amount of GAF virgins makes me sad for humanity. :(
i don't see how this is surprising. It's not like video gamers, especially those that post on a message board and bitch about games as much as some people here do, are the most social creatures.

Besides, it's not like a third of the forum has come out as being virgins. It's a few people here and there.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Megafoo Chavez said:
the fatter you are and the more time you spend on the internet = less chance of you getting laid. I say if you are over 20 and are still a virgin, it is because you haven't been trying..AT ALL.
And you'd be right. I didn't even bother at all throughout college, although I didn't feel as though it was worth trying. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I had actually tried back when I had the opportunities........ jesus, shoot me. :(
 

Boogie

Member
ToxicAdam said:
Because the MAJORITY of the time .. it is.

I was just demonstrating that I'm not some absolutist. I try to give advice from my personal experiences. You are giving advice on NO personal experiences. I guess that is what makes the internet great.

I'm not giving advice.

I just hate all these retarded absolute statements.

IF YOU'RE STILL A VIRGIN AT 2*, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TRYING/YOU ARE FAT/YOU SUCK AT LIFE.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
MoxManiac said:
To clairify, i'm not one of those waiting for the "perfect" person (an illogical plan at best) but rather that I am neither insecure nor bothered about my supposed "virginity". I'm not any less intelligent or capable because I haven't had sex, bud.


There is a reason why there is a cottage industry on movies about kids trying to "lose it".


Because its part of the human experience. It's what you do. It's why you buy cars, why you stay out all night at a bar, why you talk to a girl for 5 hours straight on the phone, why you go 10 minutes out of your way JUST IN CASE you might see her. It's all what being young and full of hormones is about.

To deny that side of your existence is anti-socialism to its highest degree. To be apathetic about it ... is admitting you are asexual. Which is fine, but it is sad.

What's the point of being intelligent and capable if you can't share that with as many people as possible?
 

demi

Member
Boogie said:
IF YOU'RE STILL A VIRGIN AT 2*, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TRYING/YOU ARE FAT/YOU SUCK AT LIFE.

So ignore them. Screw them, go on living how you are, you're not doing anything wrong. It's what they think that's making you tick. There is no golden rule on virginity.
 

Soybean

Member
It doesn't matter what you do. I've only had sex with one person and I'm going to marry her (unless something crazy happens, like her finding me talking about sex on a gaming message board). I'm completely happy with this situation. I was 23, but the age meant nothing to me. Who cares?
 

Ristamar

Member
-jinx- said:
Not to be blunt, but did you start this thread because you are unhappy being a virgin, or because you're happy to be one? I've reread your post a couple of times, and still can't figure out what it is that you want from the forum.

If I had to guess, I'd venture it's a bit of both for him. It can be a double-edged sword. I remember the feeling.

ToxicAdam said:
There is a reason why there is a cottage industry on movies about kids trying to "lose it".

You do realize there are a large number of people that find the bulk of those movies completely fucking retarded.
 
I was in a hot tub with 6 girls last Friday, 3 of whom were performing quasi lesbian acts mainly for performance reasons...and I didn't try anything at all despite the fact that they were clearly aching to be fucked. It's not like I didn't have enough time to try and pull something (12:30 - 4:30 AM), or reason (a lot of not so subtle grabbing and feeling going on), it's just that I suck at life. I tried to console myself afterwards by reminding myself that I'm really interested in this one chick who probably wouldn't be too impressed if I had sex with a bunch of lesbian strangers, but then I realized how retarded that line of reasoning was and came to accept the fact that I'm a complete failure. Drunken bowling followed by a party tonight--perhaps I'll be given a chance to redeem myself.
 

aoi tsuki

Member
OpinionatedCyborg said:
I was in a hot tub with 6 girls last Friday, 3 of whom were performing quasi lesbian acts mainly for performance reasons...and I didn't try anything at all despite the fact that they were clearly aching to be fucked. It's not like I didn't have enough time to try and pull something (12:30 - 4:30 AM), or reason (a lot of not so subtle grabbing and feeling going on), it's just that I suck at life. I tried to console myself afterwards by reminding myself that I'm really interested in this one chick who probably wouldn't be too impressed if I had sex with a bunch of lesbian strangers, but then I realized how retarded that line of reasoning was and came to accept the fact that I'm a complete failure. Drunken bowling followed by a party tonight--perhaps I'll be given a chance to redeem myself.
You have something serious with this girl = not sucking at life

You're almost working up the courage to bump into her and say "I'm sorry", hoping it will magically end up in a date = sucking at life
 

nitewulf

Member
demon said:
Oh shutup. :(
demon, but you do see what he is saying, right?

and alucard got laid, so this calls for some,
Champagne%20POP.jpg
 

slayn

needs to show more effort.
the problem with losing ones virginity is that it is a long off reward with 20 different tasks of un-fucking ones body and mind just to get there. And as everyone likes fucking, so does everyone hate un-funking. So one measures the amount of unfucking required as compared to the future potential fucking and will generally find that in the short term the unfucking is the far meatier of the two at which point one tends to just say, 'fuck it.'
 

Jotaro

Banned
I find utterly disturbing the lack of humanism in such threads. While these people may not be in the majority of young males, that does not makes them easy targets that you should shout idiotic and unrespectful comments at, why making fun of these poor guys like if they were turkish heads? A lot of you make it appear as a life-defining thing, and while in part is it, the way it's told by everyone makes me fucking sick, a lot of these people are insecure and sorrowed.

You people sometimes are heartless bastards.
 
slayn said:
the problem with losing ones virginity is that it is a long off reward with 20 different tasks of un-fucking ones body and mind just to get there. And as everyone likes fucking, so does everyone hate un-funking. So one measures the amount of unfucking required as compared to the future potential fucking and will generally find that in the short term the unfucking is the far meatier of the two at which point one tends to just say, 'fuck it.'


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aoi tsuki

Member
Jotaro said:
I find utterly disturbing the lack of humanism in such threads. While these people may not be in the majority of young males, that does not makes them easy targets that you should shout idiotic and unrespectful comments at, why making fun of these poor guys like if they were turkish heads? A lot of you make it appear as a life-defining thing, and while in part is it, the way it's told by everyone makes me fucking sick, a lot of these people are insecure and sorrowed.

You people sometimes are heartless bastards.
If this were say, a Christian gaming message board, i'd raise an eyebrow. But it's not. It's a boy's club of horny gamers, which may be redundant. We like sex (most people do), plain and simple, as the numerous fap threads and "I'd hit it" comments would suggest. One of my best friends is a virgin, and he's in his mid-twenties. i respect his decision, although i don't agree with his reasoning (he says he'd get bored with sex). But to each their own.

And i would say that sex can very easily become a life-defining thing. One one hand you have the physical enjoyment of it, on the other you have issues of pregnancy, STDs, non-mutual feelings, and a possible deeper issue of a poor self-image.
 

NLB2

Banned
aoi tsuki said:
If this were say, a Christiani respect his decision, although i don't agree with his reasoning (he says he'd get bored with sex). But to each their own.
Dude, I'm nineteen, really haven't had that much sex, and I'm bored with it. RE4>Sex.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
Jotaro said:
I find utterly disturbing the lack of humanism in such threads. While these people may not be in the majority of young males, that does not makes them easy targets that you should shout idiotic and unrespectful comments at, why making fun of these poor guys like if they were turkish heads? A lot of you make it appear as a life-defining thing, and while in part is it, the way it's told by everyone makes me fucking sick, a lot of these people are insecure and sorrowed.

You people sometimes are heartless bastards.


I know guys that are missing limbs or are in wheelchairs and they still put on a brave face go out and try to meet girls and have sex (and succeed).


So, I don't want to hear about "insecure or sorrowed". Everyone is insecure and miserable at times ... but they still go out and try to make contact with other human beings.


It's like the guy who sits in his house and collects money all day, but never spends it. He dies with a few million, but what was the fucking point? Go out and spend your money.
when I say money, I mean filthy white seed
 

Jotaro

Banned
aoi tsuki said:
If this were say, a Christian gaming message board, i'd raise an eyebrow. But it's not. It's a boy's club of horny gamers, which may be redundant. We like sex (most people do), plain and simple, as the numerous fap threads and "I'd hit it" comments would suggest.


I did not had a clue yet, but now you enlighted me. Thanks for that.


ToxicAdam said:
I know guys that are missing limbs or are in wheelchairs and they still put on a brave face go out and try to meet girls and have sex (and succeed).

Everyone puts too much pressure on people who wants to keep their beliefs, this is what I despise the most.


ToxicAdam said:
So, I don't want to hear about "insecure or sorrowed". Everyone is insecure and miserable at times ... but they still go out and try to make contact with other human beings.).

Oh, what rocket science is this. Everyone is like you said, but does that means it's not valuable, because it's an ordinary problem? It's all relative, you will always find people doing better or worse than you. But I find quite pathetic that constant use of reasoning, "there is always something worse than you". That does not makes your issues less important, not one bit. It's people like you who screw up the life of one who tries to hold onto these principles, or to find out that they are not alone, because some people actually doubt it, that it's normal. You have reasoning, and you still act this way? I find it quite sad.


ToxicAdam said:
It's like the guy who sits in his house and collects money all day, but never spends it. He dies with a few million, but what was the fucking point? Go out and spend your money.

Huh, to each their own? Oh yeah, it would appear that having sex is more important than love, and even than being happy. I therefore kneel before your bulletproof reality dosage.
 

Alucard

Banned
evil solrac v3.0 said:
DETAILS. I HATE MY JOB, I HATE MY APARTMENT, I HATE MY LIFE, YOU'RE NOT IN THE MOOD TO TALK!??! THEN GET INTO IT!!! (kidding by the way) :D

Haha. Think I'll keep that private, whether you're joking or not. Move along now...
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
nitewulf said:
demon, but you do see what he is saying, right?
I know exactly what jinx is saying. But the situation hasn't exactly been an easy one. If I had been in the same scenarios with, say, some girl I didn't know very well, then I probably would have just thrown caution to the wind and hit it with great gusto. But when it's a girl I've been friends with for many months (now over a year), one who several months ago told me I'm her best friend, one who's in a serious relationship with a guy I've met on several occassions, when she's someone who's virtually the only person I know around here right now, and someone who's pretty much only come onto me when drinking, I don't exactly feel comfortable making a move on her.

Right now my biggest obstacle in the way of getting laid is not having any easy way of meeting people. I mean, I'll have a job soon, but what the fuck kind of guarantee of meeting girls is that? I'm out of school now and that depresses the hell out of me, and it seems impossible to meet people. Bars sure aren't the answer (I just don't know how people 'hook up' at bars), and I wouldn't know where to begin to get into a party even though I'm a four minute walk from one of the biggest house party areas around....hell I've never even ever been to one, as sad as that is to say.
 
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Deleted member 4784

Unconfirmed Member
I'm a virgin too, so don't feel bad. I think that the only people who feel they have something to prove by not being a virgin are the types who have no accomplishments in their lives to speak of other than their own level of promiscuity. I just find it pathetic for anyone to brag about their "sexual accomplishments" since sex isn't a braggadocio right in the first place.

Maybe my perspective is different since I'm a girl, but it really offends me when guys will say, "I'm getting laid tonight!" or something similar. I don't see how guys can objectify their girlfriend/relationship in such a way; it makes me wonder if they're even mature enough to be in a relationship to begin with (or if the only value they have for their relationship is that one act). I’d expect guys to be a little more appreciative of privacy as well in consideration of the fact that it does involve another person they supposedly care deeply about.

IMO, anyone who defines their relationship by sex enough to brag about it has nothing particularly meaningful to be bragging about in the first place...
 
A lot of you are very clearly afraid of your own sexuality and threatened by others' and simply attempt to hide it behind "principles." By turning it into a black/white issue (meaning either highly idealized romantic sex or physically/emotionally careless sex) and placing yourself on the "principled" side of the fence, you just make yourself sound childish.

I've had casual sex and I've had sex for love. I've had sex with a girl purely because I thought she was very desirable. I've even had sex for love with my current girlfriend whom I also believe is the fucking hottest girl alive. The casual sex I've had was not mysoginistic; she also wanted to have casual sex with me. I respected her and she respected me.

And I am no less principled than the next person. My principles are to treat people around me with respect.
 

MrCheez

President/Creative Director of Grumpyface Studios
Waychel said:
I'm a virgin too, so don't feel bad. I think that the only people who feel they have something to prove by not being a virgin are the types who have no accomplishments in their lives to speak of other than their own level of promiscuity. I just find it pathetic for anyone to brag about their "sexual accomplishments" since sex isn't a braggadocio right in the first place.

Maybe my perspective is different since I'm a girl, but it really offends me when guys will say, "I'm getting laid tonight!" or something similar. I don't see how guys can objectify their girlfriend/relationship in such a way; it makes me wonder if they're even mature enough to be in a relationship to begin with (or if the only value they have for their relationship is that one act). I’d expect guys to be a little more appreciative of privacy as well in consideration of the fact that it does involve another person they supposedly care deeply about.

IMO, anyone who defines their relationship by sex enough to brag about it has nothing particularly meaningful to be bragging about in the first place...

Pretty much beat me to what I was going to post.

To my fellow virgins in this thread: First, ignore the jackasses. Second, never focus on what you don't have. Not to say that you should give up or not get out there and try, but depression over desire is such a huge waste of time and energy (not to mention it makes what you're pining for (girls) even harder to attain). When something is meant to happen, it will happen!
 

ToxicAdam

Member
Jotaro said:
I did not had a clue yet, but now you enlighted me. Thanks for that.

Everyone puts too much pressure on people who wants to keep their beliefs, this is what I despise the most.

I haven't seen one person say they are still a virgin because of thier beliefs. I am speaking to the "woe is me crowd". If it is relgious to someone, then that is a different thing.


Oh, what rocket science is this. Everyone is like you said, but does that means it's not valuable, because it's an ordinary problem? It's all relative, you will always find people doing better or worse than you. But I find quite pathetic that constant use of reasoning, "there is always something worse than you". That does not makes your issues less important, not one bit. It's people like you who screw up the life of one who tries to hold onto these principles, or to find out that they are not alone, because some people actually doubt it, that it's normal. You have reasoning, and you still act this way? I find it quite sad.

My reasoning for doing this is that some people lack the peer influences that make them get off thier asses and do something. Joining an "agoraphobia chat circle" doesn't help you solve your problems, but going out in the real world and meeting people does.



Huh, to each their own? Oh yeah, it would appear that having sex is more important than love, and even than being happy. I therefore kneel before your bulletproof reality dosage.


If you lived in the real world, you would know that for women, love and sex is intertwined. So yes ... having sex is important. Since we only live once, and our time is short here .... if you want to have a high quality of life, you need to experience as much as possible.


Otherwise, you are just waiting for shit to happen ... and it never does.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
There are three things that can happen to those people who hold on to thier virginity into thier mid 20's.


1) You will marry the first person you have sex with. This could be a disaster. Because you will be so afraid that no one else will have sex with you, except her ... that you could stay in a bad marriage. So, all your self worth will be wrapped up in this woman, because she gave you sex for the first (and potentially) only time. If you like to be the submissive male in a relationship .. then this is the route for you. This can also turn into "Mid-life crisis" guy.


2) You become delusional about your virgin status, like it is some kind of GIFT. It's just sex. Don't glorify your abstitence like some crusade against the "dumb people" who don't "get it". Like sitting at home on Friday's playing PS2 is somehow "noble" compared to the people sitting bars trying to overcome thier insecurities on meeting people. Soon, as you age, your sex drive lessens (and IT WILL) and you begin to care less and less about finding that special someone.

You are now 30 and desperate to find ANYONE. You exhaust all methods of dating services and "friend of friends". Every woman you meet is either flawed, twice divorced or comes with 3 kids. You still hold onto your principles and elevate yourself into "creepy uncle" category.


3) This can happen to anyone. But, most likely to those who think they "missed" out. Guys that were too busy with studies .. or never had the means to be confident with women. Well, that has changed. Now you are ready to "make up for lost time". Life's clock is ticking ... you only live once. You have become:

Mid-life crisis guy. They come in all shapes and sizes. Mr. "Bought a New Porshe" guy. Mr. "Got a new toupee and am cruising the bars for the first time" guy. But it could be even worse. You could be Mr. "hangs out with 18 yr old son's friends and tries to pick up young girls" guy ... and many many more. Nothing pretty. Most of us probably have encountered a few of these guys in our lifetimes.
 

w0o

Member
I lost my virginity at 23. Coincidentally, it happened 2 months after I trashed my porn collection. A collection that I had been building up since I was 19. I got rid of it all. Hundreds of CDROMS containing GIG's of movies, pictures, games etc. In hindsight, I probably didn't have to throw it ALL away but hey, you do what you gotta do.

I remember during those porn collecting years, I had several chances at getting real action but was never really motivated or put any significant effort into it. At the end of the day, I had my porn and I guess that was good enough for me.

But those years weren't a total loss. I mean, watching all those people having sex on my computer - I wasn't exactly clueless my first time. I was a virgin in the sense that I'd never had sex with a girl, but even my non-virgin girlfriend at the time did not believe me when I told her.
 

MrCheez

President/Creative Director of Grumpyface Studios
ToxicAdam said:
1) You will marry the first person you have sex with. This could be a disaster. Because you will be so afraid that no one else will have sex with you, except her ... that you could stay in a bad marriage. So, all your self worth will be wrapped up in this woman, because she gave you sex for the first (and potentially) only time. If you like to be the submissive male in a relationship .. then this is the route for you.

This is rather silly. This is something that happens to someone with a specific personality type. Not something that has a good chance of happening to everyone who marries the person they lost their virginity too.

Don't glorify your abstitence like some crusade against the "dumb people" who don't "get it".

We're saying that it's stupid to act like having sex is all that matters and what makes or breaks a person, not that people who are having sex are doing something wrong.
 
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Deleted member 4784

Unconfirmed Member
brooklyngooner said:
A lot of you are very clearly afraid of your own sexuality and threatened by others' and simply attempt to hide it behind "principles." By turning it into a black/white issue (meaning either highly idealized romantic sex or physically/emotionally careless sex) and placing yourself on the "principled" side of the fence, you just make yourself sound childish.

I've had casual sex and I've had sex for love. I've had sex with a girl purely because I thought she was very desirable. I've even had sex for love with my current girlfriend whom I also believe is the fucking hottest girl alive. The casual sex I've had was not mysoginistic; she also wanted to have casual sex with me. I respected her and she respected me.

And I am no less principled than the next person. My principles are to treat people around me with respect.

If that is the case, then what are you doing here berating others for their own principles?

Also, I don't see how because a person doesn't like the idea of casual sex that they are somehow "afraid of their own sexuality." I don't have a highly idealized view of sex or anything of that nature; my upbringing was simply that you don't spread your legs for everything with a dick that happens to walk by. I don't call that being "scared of my sexuality"; I call it "not being a slut." :lol

There are many reasons why a person may not like the idea of casual sex apart from their own principles or beliefs; health issues being a primary example of this. Casual sex is a huge endangerment and health risk (even when using protection) since you know very little about the other personal or their history usually (hence it being called "casual"). I'm sure that there are people out there who's only inhibition is that they'd rather masturbate than risk getting an STD of some kind.
 
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