Bernoulli
M2 slut
Other developers get on just fine
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Quantum Error is in an “Unacceptable” State on Xbox Series S Due to its Weaker Hardware, Developer Says
Drizzlehell
Banned
I was about to post this.
They really have no business throwing down their gauntlet into this ring. They make shitty, unoptimised games that likely wouldn't run well even on a better hardware.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Isn't the cpu the same between the S and the X?
StueyDuck
Member
This dev has been pushing this console war shit for so long and so hard, why do people still take it seriously?
have you seen the game it looks like my first game indie project, they just stirring controversy to try get extra sales.
the game should actually be banned on here other than literal impressions when (if) it releases.
have you seen the game it looks like my first game indie project, they just stirring controversy to try get extra sales.
the game should actually be banned on here other than literal impressions when (if) it releases.
Crispy Gamer
Member
This dev doesn't deserve another thread
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Holy Hell. He gets it. God bless this man.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
How many Steam Deck certified games run at 5 fps?
Their faces looks like from 2 generations behind current standards, it's like a noob toying with ue5 assets and lacks any talented skills.
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ByWatterson
Member
Other developers get on just fine
Larian, for instance.
fatmarco
Member
To be fair they didn't say they had an issue with single player, just the split screen multiplayer. Also considering that Baldurs Gate 3 is running pretty poorly on PS5 at the moment its no wonder they couldn't get Series S to do split screen in hindsight, there just doesn't seem like there's a lot of headroom in that game on current gen consoles.
In terms of this game however it just sounds like another undermanned or undertalented indy developer with an unoptimised game.
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feynoob
Banned
Yes, but XSS has memory constrain, which means it cant handle splitscreen.
Del_X
Member
As far as I can tell it’s the same group of about half a dozen always-online idiots regurgitating the story about the, what, 3-5 games that are running into issues?
Insane Metal
Member
UE5 makes another victim.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Dont believe it’s the series s that’s the problem but more so all these third party engines. They are not optimized for the S.
This is why I feel in the future more and more ips will switch to unreal etc which have been designed to support weaker hardware etc. most developers don’t have the manpower to constantly modify their engines to meet these little outliners.
Also many other developers with games like hat are on par or look better run fine on the series s.
It’s differently a lower their system but it should be a capable 1440p system
This is why I feel in the future more and more ips will switch to unreal etc which have been designed to support weaker hardware etc. most developers don’t have the manpower to constantly modify their engines to meet these little outliners.
Also many other developers with games like hat are on par or look better run fine on the series s.
It’s differently a lower their system but it should be a capable 1440p system
Dorfdad
Gold Member
90% of them brute force their game with high end specs and just move on. Why optimize and spend time and resources for a smaller install base in their minds.
Del_X
Member
“We need pro consoles so game engines can consume even more memory and calls for the same output”
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
You make a huge assumption in thinking that the engineers didn't realize this.
A lot of times in an enterprise situation, you're asked to do things that you know is a bad idea and won't end well, but your opinions on the matter aren't taken into consideration.
Wholly possible that the engineers and devs warned upper management about this, but they were determined to undercut PlayStation on price. There was so much concern about price going into this generation that no one wanted to announce their system or their price.
Microsoft thought the XSS was going to be their trojan horse and they thought it would be the better selling system between it and the XSX. They aren't lying when they say the thought it would be the primary system and the XSX is the mid-gen refresh. They're extremely lucky Sony never pushed the 400 dollar PS5 Digital.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
kotaku.com
Phil Spencer was convinced that core gamers would initially go for the XSX but that given time, the XSS would be the driver of sales. What he misunderstood is that gamers largely want the best experience possible and that 400-500 dollars is really already pretty entry-level.
They must have done surveying to see what one of the major concerns with the XSS was and the response must have been at least somewhat directed towards storage, hence the release of the Carbon Black, but I bet anything the limited hardware was a bigger concern, but there's nothing you can do about that. Releasing the Carbon Black actually muddies the waters since it is SO close to the PS5 DE in price.
The creation of the XSS was a boneheaded decision, but you can look across the design of the X Series and you can see the boneheaded design language all over the place. Split memory, proprietary disk drive... These are the things that on their edges make competition really difficult.
Sony on the otherhand looked to decrease bottlenecks, had a standard NVME solution, and focused on ways to differentiate themselves in a positive light: 3D audio, haptic controls, VR, digital edition PS5.
$ for $ Sony is making significantly better purchases.
They bought Insomniac for 229 million, and Microsoft bought Bethesda for 7.5 billion, which is going to have the better-selling game this year? Who has generated more revenue since their purchases?
Sony doesn't have the money that Microsoft has, but because they don't have the money, they know they have to make better moves and smarter moves. They already made a huge mistake with the PS3 that has done irreparable harm to the playstation brand, but you look at their management and philosophy and they're just in a completely different mindset from Microsoft. Ultimately, it comes down to upper management and Phil Spencer doesn't know what he is doing.
MarkMe2525
Gold Member
Well that's one way to get your game attention. Interesting interview, but not surprising as they clearly state that they are building this game with PS5 spec as minimum. Series S is clearly below that. It's literally built to not run well on lower spec machines.
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CamHostage
Member
"Quantum Error is in an “Unacceptable” State..."
Sounds like an accurate report from what we've seen of the game so far. Should I keep reading?
I can't take their story as credible or worth much either, no. I mean, I guess it's worth having reports out there from developers who have something to say about Series S since not many have come out in public one way or another about experiences with these hardware variations. But their published history and their shaky announcement history and the quality of their actual product as seen so far gives very little reason to listen to this team.
I mean...
Sounds like an accurate report from what we've seen of the game so far. Should I keep reading?
I can't take their story as credible or worth much either, no. I mean, I guess it's worth having reports out there from developers who have something to say about Series S since not many have come out in public one way or another about experiences with these hardware variations. But their published history and their shaky announcement history and the quality of their actual product as seen so far gives very little reason to listen to this team.
I mean...
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
when asked if he feels the Xbox Series S will be able to hold up its promise as a 1440p/60 FPS console
What a stupid promise. Who would actually believe such a thing?
What a stupid promise. Who would actually believe such a thing?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
So the problem is the memory not the CPU then.
Physiognomonics
Member
Those devs talk too much. Do they want MS as their ennemies?
Even if their critics are true, they probably shouldn't tell that on Twitter.
Even if their critics are true, they probably shouldn't tell that on Twitter.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Think we'd be hard pressed to see any actual promises Microsoft made regarding the Series S.
Phil Spencer is already building the bridge to ending support or curbing support for the Series S and we're at the point where anyone buying a Series S is setting themselves up for disaster in terms of long term support.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
X and the S have the same CPU. It's a low and slow 8GB memory thing.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Reposting from another thread.
The devs really are trying to get attention for their game again like last time.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
www.neogaf.com
The devs really are trying to get attention for their game again like last time.
Quantum Error Dev Confirms the Game Will Use Real-Time Ray Tracing on PS5, Says It's Easy to Implement - PlayStation LifeStyle
TeamKill Media has confirmed that Quantum Error will use real-time PS5 ray tracing in response to concerns from fans.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
Quantum Error Dev: Cerny Is A Genius, PS5 Feels Designed with Developers In Mind; Zen 2 Is Exciting
The quotes comes from Official PlayStation Magazine. We feel the man is an absolute genius! It felt like the system is designed with developers in mind. We are really excited about the Zen 2 CPU, which will make things possible on PS5 that were not on PS4. Also, the Tempest audio engine...
feynoob
Banned
Not to mention MS allocation of that memory process is making devs job harder.
Tsaki
Member
Are only certified games allowed to run on the Deck?
ReBurn
Gold Member
If it's not certified to run and you buy it anyway then it's on you that you're only getting 5 fps.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Tsaki
Member
The original comment was about games being scalable from 4090 to Deck. Yes it can run on the Deck but it doesn't mean it will be in a satisfactory way.
feynoob
Banned
Maybe look at the developer of this post first.
They have been milking xss drama to promote their game.
And console fanboys made their job way too easy.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Multiple developers have expressed displeasure and multiple fanboys have been in denial.
ArthriticZombie
Member
These guys fuel the console wars with napalm on Twitter. Big time Sony shills looking for a big payday buyout.
Unknown Soldier
Member
LOL this is the Microsoft that makes high quality products like Windows and Office, that once made high quality products like Zune and Windows Phone, and you still need to ask this question?
It's Microsoft. They have never made a good product ever, but some of their products have monopolies and so they can be successful forever without making anything good.
feynoob
Banned
And these developers continue to release shit releases, instead of actually releasing polished games.
XSS is shit no doubt about it. But those same devs dont release a polished version of their games, which makes XSS the escape goat.
Isnt it weird that we are getting alot of bugs and unpolished games these days?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Pretty sure multiple developers expressed displeasure about pro consoles. Anything that gives them extra work is gonna make them unhappy. Didn't we just have SE basically saying they were unhappy that there are both xbox and Playstation.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
xss isn't the real reason theirs issues or bottleneck with these 3rd party games that's for sure.
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scarlet0pimp
Member
These guys probably don't need to release the game, they just make their money from twitter, all they have to do is post a negative comment about the S and awesome ssd in the PS5 and the playstation warriors will repost and reply with their triumphant cries in their thousands.
These devs are playing the fanboys like a fiddle.
If the game ever comes out it will be garbage anyway.
These devs are playing the fanboys like a fiddle.
If the game ever comes out it will be garbage anyway.
RCU005
Member
Of course they did! They just wanted a cheaper console to undermine the competition and try to get more sales.