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[thehunter01]

No it's still racist. If someone said "black people are niggers" around their friends and no black people, would they still be racist?

So you say these types of things around your friends?

I don't think you understand my point.

What i wanted to say is.

if a ginger makes fun of a black person, and that black person makes fun of that ginger 24/7 day in day out and the ginger says in his own party to another black outsider a offensive word towards him that for him is just harmless fun but for the outsider is not. He messed up and yes it could be seen as racist by the black stranger. While in reality he didn't mean anything offense about it.

It's just hard to explain.

 

[klausbert]

As a German, I'm offended by Americans trying to make fun of us by calling events of drinking shitty American beer "Oktoberfest".

 

[DanteGhost]

It was racist OP. It was pretty offensive.

In the area that I live (South East Pennsylvania) racism is brutal. We have a lot of latinos around ( like 50% in some areas), but what makes it worse is that here I actually have seen latinos being racist against other group of latino(other nationalities) and a new generations of hispanics being ashamed of their heritage. It is shameful and it pisses me off since I'm hispanic aswell.

 

[thehunter01]

You're regurgitating the same bad arguments others in this thread already made. If you same something that is racists then regardless of your intent what you said was in fact racists. Because you meant in "good fun" doesn't negate the impact of your words and the responsibility you have over them. Since when is calling an entire ethnicity "dirty" is good fun? It's not you're an asshole if you think that.

I don't think you understand me.

Why suddenly so much aggression towards me? I'm just saying that things have to be taken into concept.

 

[Enzom21]

I don't think you understand my point.

What i wanted to say is.

if a ginger makes fun of a black person, and that black person makes fun of that ginger 24/7 day in day out and the ginger says in his own party to another black outsider a offensive word towards him that for him is just harmless fun but for the outsider is not. He messed up and yes it could be seen as racist by the black stranger. While in reality he didn't mean anything offense about it.

It's just hard to explain.

It doesn't negate it's racism just because there is no malice behind it.

I guess justifying racism is hard to explain.

 

[Devolution]

Kids should have dropped the words "wetback" and "beaner" maybe then some people would get it.

 

[thehunter01]

It doesn't negate it's racism just because there is no malice behind it.

I guess justifying racism is hard to explain.

I'm not from your country, i can just give my own 2 cents on the subject from a different culture then yours and from a different perspective. If somebody walks up to me and says with a straight face that all muslims are horrible people that just exist to blow other people up and that i'm not more worth then a pile a crap. Yes i would be offended to hell.

If my mate would say that with a half joking face to me, i would see it as harmless fun.

I don't understand why you can't understand this.

It's a matter of perspective.

 

[mr2xxx]

Kids should have dropped the words "wetback" and "beaner" maybe then some people would get it.

I seriously doubt it.

 

[Infinite]

I don't think you understand me.

Why suddenly so much aggression towards me? I'm just saying that things have to be taken into concept.

If I'm exhibiting aggression then I apologize. It wasn't my intent to do so but if you took it that way I own up to it and correct my behavior in the future.

(This post weirdly exemplifies my intent/impact argument.)

Anyway I think you mean context? Yes context is important. In that example you posted above if those two people are friends and cool with each other to point where neither of them will get angry if the other uses a slur then that's ok I guess. Keep in mind that's in the confines of their relationship which gives the words a different meaning due to the context. Now if that kids went and called any other black person a slur then he shouldn't be surprised to be met with hostility regardless of his intent and how he uses the word with his black friend. However I'm afraid your example doesn't apply to this particular situation. The context is people seemingly mocking Mexicans and one even called them dirty at a party in a public bar where people who are not in their circle can observe them. Tbh even then that's still fucked up if they do this privately too and just as racists. The only difference is no one can call them on their shit

 

[ManDudeChild]

I don't think you understand my point.

What i wanted to say is.

if a ginger makes fun of a black person, and that black person makes fun of that ginger 24/7 day in day out and the ginger says in his own party to another black outsider a offensive word towards him that for him is just harmless fun but for the outsider is not. He messed up and yes it could be seen as racist by the black stranger. While in reality he didn't mean anything offense about it.

It's just hard to explain.

Know your audience.

See. That wasn't hard to explain at all.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I'm not from your country, i can just give my own 2 cents on the subject from a different culture then yours and from a different perspective. If somebody walks up to me and says with a straight face that all muslims are horrible people that just exist to blow other people up and that i'm not more worth then a pile a crap. Yes i would be offended to hell.

If my mate would say that with a half joking face to me, i would see it as harmless fun.

I don't understand why you can't understand this.

It's a matter of perspective.

The point is that the words are still racist.

 

[thehunter01]

If I'm exhibiting aggression then I apologize. It wasn't my intent to do so but if you took it that way I own up to it and correct my behavior in the future.

(This post weirdly exemplifies my intent/impact argument.)

Anyway I think you mean context? Yes context is important. In that example you posted above if those two people are friends and cool with each other to point where neither of them will get angry if the other uses a slur then that's ok I guess. Keep in mind that's in the confines of their relationship which gives the words a different meaning due to the context. Now if that kids went and called any other black person a slur then he shouldn't be surprised to be met with hostility regardless of his intent and how he uses the word with his black friend. However I'm afraid your example doesn't apply to this particular situation. The context is people seemingly mocking Mexicans and one even called them dirty at a party in a public bar where people who are not in their circle can observe them.

Yea context.

Yea i know i did kinda go a bit offtopic from what the topic starter encountered and don't get me wrong they where totally in the wrong here because surely they where not in there "friendzone".

The point is that the words are still racist.

I see racisme as offensive, i don't see harmless fun as offensive. They are not equal in my view.

It's a matter of perspective on this one.

 

[Enzom21]

I'm not from your country, i can just give my own 2 cents on the subject from a different culture then yours and from a different perspective. If somebody walks up to me and says with a straight face that all muslims are horrible people that just exist to blow other people up and that i'm not more worth then a pile a crap. Yes i would be offended to hell.

If my mate would say that with a half joking face to me, i would see it as harmless fun.

I don't understand why you can't understand this.

It's a matter of perspective.

If a black guy wasn't offended by his white friend's usage of nigger, that doesn't mean the word ceases to be racist.
It probably means that black guy is a moron.

I see racisme as offensive, i don't see harmless fun as offensive. They are not equal in my view.

It's a matter of perspective on this one.

All due respect, your opinion is wrong.
There is no "harmless fun" when being racist, regardless of your target audience or context.

 

[Infinite]

Yea context.

Yea i know i did kinda go a bit offtopic from what the topic starter encountered and don't get me wrong they where totally in the wrong here because surely they where not in there "friendzone".



I see racisme as offensive, i don't see harmless fun as offensive. They are not equal in my view.

It's a matter of perspective on this one.

Please understand that what's "harmless" fun in your book maybe degrading and offensive to others which is the case here. You can not ignore impact of something you do or say because you didn't mean it. Like if I accidentally step on your toe you're still going to be in pain and want an apologie whether I meant it or not. I'm also not a serial toe stepper because I made the mistake of doing it to you or I was ignorant to where your foot was placed. I hope this makes sense.

 

[Devolution]

I seriously doubt it.

Gotten that bad huh? Damn.

 

[Enzom21]

Gotten that bad huh? Damn.

Yes.
https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist

 

[suzu]

Casual racism is still racism.

Also if nobody talks or calls people out on it, how are they suppose to learn if others are just giving them a pass every time it comes up?

 

[thehunter01]

Please understand that what's "harmless" fun in your book maybe degrading and offensive to others which is the case here. You can not ignore impact of something you do or say because you didn't mean it. Like if I accidentally step on your toe you're still going to be in pain and want an apologie whether I meant it or not. I'm also not a serial toe stepper because I made the mistake of doing it to you or I was ignorant to where your foot was placed. I hope this makes sense.

Yea true

 

[nacimento]

The dirt part is very racist.

The dressing up isn't imo. Sure, it's a stereotype like lederhosen, brazilian carnival clothes and cowboy hats. But it's not negative. Inthe worst case you can say that you're just dressing like Emiliano Zapata.

 

[i_am_ben]

This thread is weird.

99% of the posters acknowledge that the "dirty" comment was incredibly racist. So effectively everyone agrees with that.

However, about about a third of posters have also said they wouldn't necessarily say a Mexican themed party is inherently racist.

Unfortunately, some people are misconstruing the latter group as actually being fine with the dirty comment which I don't think has been very helpful.

 

[Byakuya769]

This thread is weird.

99% of the posters acknowledge that the "dirty" comment was incredibly racist. So effectively everyone agrees with that.

However, about about a third of posters have also said they wouldn't necessarily say a Mexican themed party is inherently racist.

Unfortunately, some people are misconstruing the latter group as actually being fine with the dirty comment which I don't think has been very helpful.

A bit more complicated than that. You also have a contingent of people that thinks it's cute to dress up in sombreros and thick mustaches as Mexicans.

 

[Enzom21]

This thread is weird.

99% of the posters acknowledge that the "dirty" comment was incredibly racist. So effectively everyone agrees with that.

However, about about a third of posters have also said they wouldn't necessarily say a Mexican themed party is inherently racist.

Unfortunately, some people are misconstruing the latter group as actually being fine with the dirty comment which I don't think has been very helpful.

That's not true at all. There are quite a few posters who are writing things like "what's the big deal?" or "why is everything always racism" never mentioning anything about the "dirty" comments being racist.

Then there are other posters who are going out of their way to excuse the "dirty" comments as simple ignorance rather than racism.
I don't see anyone having an issue with posters who agree that the "Mexicans are dirty" comment was racist.