I love this hypocricy. Its like you're trying to prove your point by making a statement that the other party is making.
Racist kids pissed me off today
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I love this hypocricy. Its like you're trying to prove your point by making a statement that the other party is making.
What makes this racist, and I'm just repeating it for those who don't understand, is that someone put DIRT on their face and said that Mexicans are dirty.
There's no excusing that. That's not the same as saying "That (insert race here) looks dirty" which would be talking about a single person (but still pretty unnecessary to refer to them by their race or culture when singling them out). This person said Mexicans as a whole were dirty.
That means they have perceived an entire body of people as dirty and thus is an offensive stereotype made from ignorance and racist.
Being told that this is racist shouldn't piss people off. It should be more of an opportunity to learn otherwise.
Learning has never been wrong for us. Neither is expanding our perspectives beyond ourselves.
There's no excusing that. That's not the same as saying "That (insert race here) looks dirty" which would be talking about a single person (but still pretty unnecessary to refer to them by their race or culture when singling them out). This person said Mexicans as a whole were dirty.
That means they have perceived an entire body of people as dirty and thus is an offensive stereotype made from ignorance and racist.
Being told that this is racist shouldn't piss people off. It should be more of an opportunity to learn otherwise.
Learning has never been wrong for us. Neither is expanding our perspectives beyond ourselves.
DoktorEvil
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What part of America do you live where your line of thinking is conducive of most Americans?
To be fair, I only read the first page and this page so I'm working with limited info, but OP was a bit overreactive with the Mexican themed party until dirt on face was said.
Racism doesn't exist in a vacuum. Racist actions are racist, regardless of who does it or says it.
Rawket Lawnchair
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No, I read the OP just fine. It's about a group of foreign students who decided to have a "Mexico meets Far West" themed party among their community, and a couple of them, with English not being their native language (and with the iconic image of a Mexican man with a moustache, a sombrero and a poncho in their mind, because that's as far as their knowledge about Mexican culture goes), called a group of people "dirty".
Nothing more and nothing less.
No need to make a big fuss about it.
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I post on Gaf pretty frequently
You don't think calling Mexicans dirty is degrading?
breakfuss
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I'm actually trying to be understanding but this is just crazy.
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Isolated incident #43543536345
Well I don't see a big fuss. I just see someone accurately labeling it as racism, and then the big fuss to say he's wrong about it, and explaining it away. So why the big fuss, Vandrar?
well they can deal with being "ignorant", because it just means 'they didn't know something' and can do the 'optional' cultural encounter where they learn that there are real people out there with feelings and experiences that they have reduced to a joke.
But they can't deal with being called racist because that's a label and it's bad and its unfair and you don't even know them, so how could you say something like that?
Haiiro Husky
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White people feeling better about/excusing racism by substituting the word "racist" with "ignorant."
Rawket Lawnchair
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In the close confines of a themed party, and this being said by foreign students who don't really know much about a specific culture and are just looking to have fun, what's the point of being so unforgiving?
They were just students in a party, not someone on TV speaking to millions of people.
No big fuss at all mate, but if you look right above your post there are four or five people quoting me at the same time. Should I not answer to at least one of them? Besides, I only started posting in this thread 10 minutes ago.
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This was my favorite exchange in the thread:
lol
Ravensmash
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They do?
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look up
Well then realize that we're on page....I don't even know, of a "big fuss" that you've joined. But it wasn't the fuss that you expected.
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"Can't see passed the ends of their noses" is a common idiom, not a stereotype about white people if that's what you're getting at.
Unforgiving? Who? Op tried to explain to these kids what they were doing was insensitive, he wasn't attacking them or sentencing them jail. Good thing people like this have people like you defending them because we wouldn't want people calling them out on their shit and maybe reevaluating their views.
I love it when someone uses a dictionary definition of racist and racism to make an argument. It basically means I should ignore anything they have to say on the matter
hydragonwarrior
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Yeah that would've pissed me off - it's perpetuating a negative stereotype (the dirty thing). There's both positive and negative stereotypes, but it's still a broad form of labelling that is just irritating.
They could have been equally as ill informed and wore straw hats and trying to say "ching chung" (in those exact words - most of us asians have had to deal with that shit in NA) to pass off as Chinese. I would've lost my shit.
To the flip side of the argument, sure they're ignorant, but they shouldn't be ignorant to stereotyping. Likely because they haven't been on that end of being stereotyped... no idea if there are any stereotypes associated with being Norwegion.
They could have been equally as ill informed and wore straw hats and trying to say "ching chung" (in those exact words - most of us asians have had to deal with that shit in NA) to pass off as Chinese. I would've lost my shit.
To the flip side of the argument, sure they're ignorant, but they shouldn't be ignorant to stereotyping. Likely because they haven't been on that end of being stereotyped... no idea if there are any stereotypes associated with being Norwegion.
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Same. I love when anyone mounts their argument about anything based on its dictionary definition.
I love it even more when it blows up in their face so gloriously like that.
Needless to say that guy is no longer with us
The point. You missed it. You're still generalizing a lot here and your other posts based on your anecdotal experiences of white people and their ideas. You saying that black resentment is not the same as white supremacy ideals is completely irrelevant to what I'm calling you out for (downplaying people's offense at your generalizations about white people and their ideas about race). You made the point that it is insensitive to downplay people getting offended by what's going on in the OP (which I agree with) but also at the same time make statements that can offend other people. You literally could have removed all instances of "white" in your posts and it would have been just about arrogant/ignorant people and it would have still made sense. What you've said just makes you seem like a hypocrite. I didn't call you racist, so I don't know where that came from.
I honestly don't understand how you could worry about being unforgiving to someone labeling an entire group dirty. Calling an entire group dirty requires a level of ignorance that should not be tolerated, especially among kids attending college who should have the education to know better. I really hope you are just stubbornly defending your position after being called out, and that you don't really believe calling a group "dirty" is no big deal. I could even understand you taking the position that caricatures and stereotypes shouldn't be fussed over, but please at least concede the point that you don't need a PhD in World Culture to know that calling any group dirty is wrong.
Rawket Lawnchair
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Yes, calling any cultural group "dirty" in your daily life, and for no reason, is wrong and racist; in fact, it borders hate speech.
This epithet however, was mentioned in the confines of a themed party, where drunk students whose native language is not English, were trying to dress themselves as "realistic" as possible to the Mexican person that Far West movies have shaped in their ignorant minds.
Seriously, a party is the last place where I would expect to have a conversation regarding racism, with people.
Because they would rather stay stuck in their happy land of ignorance instead of looking at people of other races and cultures different from their own as individuals or people.
Stupid, isn't it?
I would feel insulted if its a hard-shell taco.
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My original post was criticizing the tendency that the ethnic majority(white people) has to only see racism from their perspective as the ethnic majority,("I wouldn't get mad if they had a white party") rather than trying to understand and empathize with the perspective of the minority, and labeling this as a form of racism.
I also absolutely condemned the original post as racist.
So when people are calling me a hypocrite, I assume they are accusing me of doing the same thing that I'm criticizing, which is being a racist by the above definition.(for using the term "white people" presumably)
If you're not criticizing me for that then you're either misunderstanding my post or the definition of the word hypocrite.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Can you post the dictionary definition of the word hypocrite?
What the duck indeed, they are clearly being racist with their ignorant view on Mexicans.
Did you know Mexicans get called "Taco" as a slur?
Should have taken pictures and posted them OP to get them in trouble.
tl;dr you criticized how people can't see the events in the OP as offensive while simultaneously offending others (intentionally or not) and then downplayed that fact when it was pointed out to you
Not gonna post anymore about this as it's pointless derailing at this point.
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Good idea
I set my watch by the gun control threads. More reliable than Timex.
The dirty part is a statement only a moron would say/think.
but i don't think a whole party themed as a Mexican party is racist, its rather to embrace parts of another culture... (in an ignorant way, i do admit that)
even if this means following stereotypes (poncho, sombrero and tequila)
to be serious, sounds like a fun party (and i would invite mexicans to it because i don't think they would be butthurt about it)
are mexicans on this board that think the whole idea is offensive?
if yes, than sorry for my foolishness
(i myself think its hilarious how germans are displayed with only lederhosen+beer
and i take no offense in that)
but i don't think a whole party themed as a Mexican party is racist, its rather to embrace parts of another culture... (in an ignorant way, i do admit that)
even if this means following stereotypes (poncho, sombrero and tequila)
to be serious, sounds like a fun party (and i would invite mexicans to it because i don't think they would be butthurt about it)
are mexicans on this board that think the whole idea is offensive?
if yes, than sorry for my foolishness
(i myself think its hilarious how germans are displayed with only lederhosen+beer
and i take no offense in that)
Barbacoatl
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I'm a white Mexican, but I'm also very, very dirty.
I honestly know nothing about Denmark, but they shouldn't be drinking dirtxican-made beer.
I honestly know nothing about Denmark, but they shouldn't be drinking dirtxican-made beer.
breakfuss
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I honestly know very little about Norwegians. According to television there's a depraved mass murdererer there, vikings and neutrogena? Should I choose to throw a party centered around these things you'd find my ignorance acceptable? I'm no authority on Mexican culture either but I sure as hell wouldn't think to associate 'dirty' with it. Might as well throw drug cartels in there.
Okay...
Who is that i that gif? Looks like Jimmy Kimmel or Fallon. Always get them confused.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Ignorance and racism aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, they go hand in hand. I'm not even a dirty Mexican and I want to strangle those people.
There's no defense for shit like this.
I'm with you on the first part, but the only Mexican beer is Corona and that's skunk water, dude.
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Why wouldn't you just invite them to help plan the party?
I mean I believe that you genuinely think a Mexican Theme party would be a good idea to embrace another culture
but to honestly think that and then just base your entire party around stereotypes and inviting Mexicans to come drop by just seems like such a backwards way to go about it.
Which is why I think we can safely cross that off the list of motives behind the party described in the OP
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