Racist kids pissed me off today

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1. this is racist, it's a teaching moment, people could stand to learn something

2. it's a party. they were just having fun. don't worry about it. you're overreacting.

why are so many people setting up flags around #2?

Because when you apply reason and keep the foreign background of the students in mind you can very well arrive to conclusion #2. In Europe we simply don't have these sort of sensitivities, and stereotypes are often deployed for fun.

Remember Top Gear and the jokes about mexicans? Even the regulating body Ofcom cleared Top Gear of racism because "the programme frequently uses national stereotypes as a comedic trope and that there were few, if any, nationalities that had not at some point been the subject of the presenters’ mockery throughout the history of this long running programme." (source) Over here we have this magic ability to differentiate, which is why no one seriously thinks that mexicans are lazy, feckless, flatulent oafs with moustaches, leaning against fences asleep, looking at cactuses with blankets with a hole in the middle on as a coat. This sort of image of actual real mexicans simply doesn't exist in general, everyone knows it's a stereotype wheeled out for banter and fun. And I'm guessing that's also the case with the norwegian students here, especially the dirty part could simply have to do with the image of mexicans riding through the desert and arriving with dust covered faces. A typical stereotype.

Now as I said before, every country has its own taboos. You couldn't make this sort of joke about Pakistanis or Indians in the UK for example. And I understand that's the case in the USA with mexicans, which is why making these sort of jokes in the USA was stupid of those kids. I don't blame the OP for being angry, but I doubt there was ill intent on the part of the students or that the girl actually meant to offend with her "dirty" comment. Her real meaning could have simply been lost in translation.
 
Why wouldn't you just invite them to help plan the party?

I mean I believe that you genuinely think a Mexican Theme party would be a good idea to embrace another culture

but to honestly think that and then just base your entire party around stereotypes and inviting Mexicans to come drop by just seems like such a backwards way to go about it.

Which is why I think we can safely cross that off the list of motives behind the party described in the OP
What were the motives?
 
I think the "kids" that were attending the party would find it hysterical that their actions have become an 8 page (and growing) heated debate.
 
Why wouldn't you just invite them to help plan the party?

I mean I believe that you genuinely think a Mexican Theme party would be a good idea to embrace another culture

but to honestly think that and then just base your entire party around stereotypes and inviting Mexicans to come drop by just seems like such a backwards way to go about it.

Which is why I think we can safely cross that off the list of motives behind the party described in the OP

so a mexican wont say things like: "we need tequila, corona, tacos, enchiladas and everyone should try to dress mexican themed"?

maybe i am an ignorant douche, but i don't get it :/

what where the motives than?
 
Me and my buddy (both white) wore oversize sombreros blasting mariachi music in my truck on the Vegas strip.

Am I a racist? :(
No, but if you put dirt on your face in an attempt to be more "Mexican" b/c you think they're dirty, yeah, that makes you a racist.

Or at the very least, a living idiot.
 
so a mexican wont say things like: "we need tequila, corona, tacos, enchiladas and everyone should try to dress mexican themed"?

maybe i am an ignorant douche, but i don't get it :/

You forgot the customary rolling around in dirt to get that authentic mexican look
 
so a mexican wont say things like: "we need tequila, corona, tacos, enchiladas and everyone should try to dress mexican themed"?

Yes I find it hard to believe someone who positively identifies with being mexican would tell a bunch of white college students to dress up like tacos, wear fake moustaches and throw dirt on their faces and clothes when asked for advice on how to throw a "mexican party."

but perhaps I'm just projecting here

maybe i am an ignorant douche, but i don't get it :/

Maybe
 
Sorry it took so long for me to respond, I'm constantly wiping the dirt from my face, please understand.

I suppose this would only be universally seen as a racist party if they used their one Mexican friend as a pinata. But who knows with this place sometimes.

Is it bad taste to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat?

Is that what Americans look like to you?
 
jesus your just as worst as those dismissing this as not racist.

Americans would probably be the last people to do something like this given how many of the population is of Mexican descent.

You should Google racist party. Americans do it all the time with plenty of different races. There were even high schools that on Cinco de Mayo would dress up as cholos and shit, fake baby bumps and 40s. Pretending like Americans are above this sort of thing doesn't help anyone.
 
I don't think so. I grew up in the middle of nowhere USA and I've seen shit like this. It's not to make fun. It's hard to describe. But it IS an embrace. It's an ignorant embrace.

Yeah. I've seen people dress up in black face and act "ghetto" and "hood" at Halloween parties and look me straight in the face without any sense of shame.

He and his friends just laughed it off when I confronted him about it.

Guess I should have just laughed with them instead of leaving the party. After all they didn't know any better and were only trying to learn about my culture. Or perhaps they were from Europe, where they don't have the same history and sensitivities to black face that us uptight Americans have.

It's all good fun
 
Yeah. I've seen people dress up in black face and act "ghetto" and "hood" at Halloween parties and look me straight in the face without any sense of shame.

He and his friends just laughed it off when I confronted him about it.

Guess I should have just laughed with them instead of leaving the party. After all they didn't know any better and were only trying to learn about my culture. Or perhaps they were from Europe, where they don't have the same history and sensitivities to black face that us uptight Americans have.

It's all good fun

But it wasn't racist because they didn't think they were superior to you.
 
Yes I find it hard to believe someone who positively identifies with being mexican would tell a bunch of white college students to dress up like tacos, wear fake moustaches and throw dirt on their faces and clothes when asked for advice on how to throw a "mexican party."

but perhaps I'm just projecting here



Maybe

already stated the dirtpart is just plain wrong, why is this fact ignored all day -.-
on the other hand the tacocostume is hilarious.
if it would be a germanthemed party and someone runs around in a sausage-costume i would be laughing harder than anyone :)

but i do get what you are trying to say.
if its german themed and someone runs around dressed up as hitler i would probably slap him. doublestandard in its pure form, i know.
 
What makes this racist, and I'm just repeating it for those who don't understand, is that someone put DIRT on their face and said that Mexicans are dirty.

There's no excusing that. That's not the same as saying "That (insert race here) looks dirty" which would be talking about a single person (but still pretty unnecessary to refer to them by their race or culture when singling them out). This person said Mexicans as a whole were dirty.

Yeah, that's the fucked up part in all this. Everything else could be played off like cool and the gang, but the dirt bit goes beyond ignorance.

I'd just love to see the dope who tries to justify that particular part, tho.

So I can laugh straight in their face.

Americans would probably be the last people to do something like this given how many of the population is of Mexican descent.
Come with me, sir. I have a few bridges to sell you....

well, then its the question if they tried to make fun about mexicans
or if they tried to have fun with parts of the culture.

for me it sounds like the second one...

"Mexicans are dirty."

......

You really think someone doing this for cultural embrace and fun would slip that out of their lips?
 
i''ve already said i am not okay with that and narrowing the whole party down to this fact because some stiupid kids tought it would be funny is just wrong.

already stated the dirtpart is just plain wrong, why is this fact ignored all day -.-

So pretty much you're saying that if you ignore the examples of blatant mocking racism in this situation, it's a perfectly harmless attempt at embracing another culture!

maybe i am an ignorant douche

Maybe.

but i do get what you are trying to say.
if its german themed and someone runs around dressed up as hitler i would probably slap him. doublestandard in its pure form, i know.

UNDERSTANDING AT LAST

Now the healing can begin!
 
It can still be racist even if the people behind it dont mean harm. Not all racism is hit you over the head KKK style.
Exactly

Yeah. I've seen people dress up in black face and act "ghetto" and "hood" at Halloween parties and look me straight in the face without any sense of shame.

He and his friends just laughed it off when I confronted him about it.

Guess I should have just laughed with them instead of leaving the party. After all they didn't know any better and were only trying to learn about my culture. Or perhaps they were from Europe, where they don't have the same history and sensitivities to black face that us uptight Americans have.

It's all good fun
Why are you replying to me with that little diatribe?
 
But it wasn't racist because they didn't think they were superior to you.

Yeah. I guess that's my fault because I didn't really consider their side of the story.

I just automatically assume that every person in black face is an unapologetic, insensitive racist.

Thanks to this thread though I realize this about myself, and I'm learning to do better and not let my knee jerk prejudices color my perceptions of people when meeting them.
 
UNDERSTANDING AT LAST

Now the healing can begin!

that doesn't change the fact that i don't think its the partythemes fault, its the fault of a moron who taught it would be funny to dress up as hitler...

just like i am saying its stupid that some morons think mexicans are dirty and have to be presented this way.
 
Being called out for saying something a little racist or ignorantly saying something based on racist premises really isn't the worst thing in the world. Make amends and walk it off.

Most of the time all the marginalized party wants is for you to say you said/did something stupid. Instead we get this, "Well, I never..." bullshit.

It seems from OPs reaction that the kids were bullheaded in their ignorance, there's nothing more frustrating.
 
Every culture is relegated to a few bullet points, it's when things like the dirt comes in that it gets really offensive.

What do you know about
Belgians? Fries and beer
Americans? Fastfood and overweight
Russians? Alcohol
Indians? Tech-support

Edit: The lawn mowing sign is pretty bad yeah.
LMAO please
 
that doesn't change the fact that i don't think its the partythemes fault, its the fault of a moron who taught it would be funny to dress up as hitler...

just like i am saying its stupid that some morons think mexicans are dirty and have to be presented this way.


The problem is that this behavior was being condoned. Similar if at this German culture party everyone was celebrating how great that Hitler costume was, would that make you feel welcomed or that you where at a party with a bunch of assholes?
 
No, I read the OP just fine. It's about a group of foreign students who decided to have a "Mexico meets Far West" themed party among their community, and a couple of them, with English not being their native language (and with the iconic image of a Mexican man with a moustache, a sombrero and a poncho in their mind, because that's as far as their knowledge about Mexican culture goes), called a group of people "dirty".

Nothing more and nothing less.

No need to make a big fuss about it.
So do you practice gymnastics for a living? Because that's a lot of hoops to jump through.
 
"Mexicans are dirty."

......

You really think someone doing this for cultural embrace and fun would slip that out of their lips?

i am thinking that the persons who says/does this is a moron.
the world is full of them, you have to live with it or teach them yourself why this is bad/wrong.
 
The problem is that this behavior was being condoned. Similar if at this German culture party everyone was celebrating how great that Hitler costume was, would that make you feel welcomed or that you where at a party with a bunch of assholes?

as a german i would probably feel very welcomed to this party. ^_^
bad joke aside
wouldn't change the fact that i think what a bunch of assholes, slap hitler, say whats my problem and then leave.
as already stated, the world is full of idiots, we have to live with it or teach them why something is wrong. (hoping they would understand/ learn from it)
still not the partythemes fault
 
Counter-point should be here but isn't
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The problem is that this behavior was being condoned. Similar if at this German culture party everyone was celebrating how great that Hitler costume was, would that make you feel welcomed or that you where at a party with a bunch of assholes?

The dirt is less obvious than a costume of the guy who murdered 6 million+ people.
A German party would be full of people yodeling, wearing lederhosen, drinking beer and eating sausages.
There is no equal we can bring up for the dirt, as dressing like Hitler is on a higher tier of offensiveness.
 
because we don't matter.
Welcome to a racism discussion on GAF... where people will bend over backwards to defend racism.
Happens in every thread having to do with racism.

Like this for example:
Yes, calling any cultural group "dirty" in your daily life, and for no reason, is wrong and racist; in fact, it borders hate speech.

This epithet however, was mentioned in the confines of a themed party, where drunk students whose native language is not English, were trying to dress themselves as "realistic" as possible to the Mexican person that Far West movies have shaped in their ignorant minds.

Seriously, a party is the last place where I would expect to have a conversation regarding racism, with people.
 
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The dirt is less obvious than a costume of the guy who murdered 6 million+ people.
A German party would be full of people yodeling, wearing lederhosen, drinking beer and eating sausages.
There is no equal we can bring up for the dirt, as dressing like Hitler is on a higher tier of offensiveness.

Referring to people as dirty is pretty obvious. It doesn't take much to be empathetic in this scenario. "How would I feel if my race/ethnicity was stereotyped as dirty".

Hitler was an example used by the person I was responding to thus I used it. Besides I could argue Hitler isn't offensive because I didn't have a great education and I was just cos playing a character from Persona. Then when someone corrects me I'll just laugh and say don't be so serious I was just having fun and your racist for calling me racist.
 
Welcome to a racism discussion on GAF... where people will bend over backwards to defend racism.
Happens in every thread having to do with racism.

Like this for example:

In the example you quoted dude actually used the word " realistic" like seriously?
 
Hitler was an example used by the person I was responding to thus I used it. Besides I could argue Hitler isn't offensive because I didn't have a great education and I was just cos playing a character from Persona. Then when someone corrects me I'll just laugh and say don't be so serious I was just having fun and your racist for calling me racist.

... wait ... Hitler is in Persona? What the actual fuck? lol
 
Entire holland must be racist lol

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This is still ongoing?

Why?

Look, it's pretty simple:

Having a theme party, and dressing up in costume is fun and harmless up to a certain point. Calling people of a certain nationality "dirty", and saying this while smearing dirt on your face = racist.

There's racism born of ignorance and racism born of malice.

Saying all Mexicans only eat beans and tacos = ignorance (though they are delicious!).
Saying all Mexicans are dirty = malice.

Neither makes it ok -- it's all racism. The former can sometimes be fixed by informing people, and that's just a maybe.

There's really no need to go into in-depth semantics over this. It's pretty easy to identify it. If you're having trouble seeing which is which, then you should step back and do some soul searching instead of pointlessly arguing your misguided point.
 
In the example you quoted dude actually used the word " realistic" like seriously?
That's what Mexicans look like apparently. He's not racist though... just ignorant.

I also find it amusing or sad that people are still posting the same argument that got a few people banned on the first two pages.
 
There should just be a game show "is it racist" and if no pejorative is uttered we all go about our day just blissfully ignorant of how microaggressions work.
 
Things have to be taken in there own concept.

Not everything is automatically racist, but some things can go really to far tho.

Calling a guy/girl dirty because they're actually dirty isn't the same as generalizing an entire body of people as dirty based on negative stereotyping. That's racist. Get it now?
 
"Mexicans are dirty"How should that be taken? Is that not automatically racist?

If he used it to offend a specific group of people yes.

If it was just harmless making fun under each other it's not.

I get shouted out for everything by my friends. Whatever pops up in there head comes forwards. It's all fun. I do the same.

I wouldn't do it to random outsiders tho, because they don't know me and probably will take it up the wrong way.

But people also should realize that there are people that just joke around and do not directly ment to offend you at all.

No one is argue that everything is automatically racist just that what's describe in OP is. (To varying degrees I guess)

I think the whole incident was just a miss communication. The people didn't wanted to really start a war against a group of people. they just where having fun and saw no harm in it.

That a outsider got offended is a result of them not taking into account that people could be offended by it. As the girl was just "giving him a stare when he actually did go a bit deeper on the subject" already gives a indication that there idea of thinking forwards isn't really well developed.

I would just drop it and say its harmless fun and not feel offended.

If they would stare you in the eyes and say it death serious to offend you and your friend or whatever else. You that's racist :P.
 
If he used it to offend a specific group of people yes.

If it was just harmless making fun under each other it's not.

I get shouted out for everything by my friends. Whatever pops up in there head comes forwards. It's all fun. I do the same.

I wouldn't do it to random outsiders tho, because they don't know me and probably will take it up the wrong way.

But people also should realize that there are people that just joke around and do not directly ment to offend you at all.

No it's still racist. If someone said "black people are niggers" around their friends and no black people, would they still be racist?

So you say these types of things around your friends?
 
If he used it to offend a specific group of people yes.

If it was just harmless making fun under each other it's not.

I get shouted out for everything by my friends. Whatever pops up in there head comes forwards. It's all fun. I do the same.

I wouldn't do it to random outsiders tho, because they don't know me and probably will take it up the wrong way.

But people also should realize that there are people that just joke around and do not directly ment to offend you at all.

You're regurgitating the same bad arguments others in this thread already made. If you same something that is racists then regardless of your intent what you said was in fact racists. Because you meant in "good fun" doesn't negate the impact of your words and the responsibility you have over them. Since when is calling an entire ethnicity "dirty" is good fun? It's not you're an asshole if you think that.
 
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