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Radiant Silvergun |OT| Ikaruga's Spiritual Predecessor
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Wolfgunblood Garopa
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SOME-MIST said:
Agreed, but if you already use a stick for fighters, it should be easy to go from pad to stick for shooters.
LS-32 is ideal. I use Sanwa with the Akihabarashop mod, it's fairly close to that.
My first decent stick was the Ascii Dreamcast stick. Going from pad to stick for Mars Matrix was an epiphany.
sixteen-bit
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HRAP EX-SE is probably the best retail stick to get for this game. Well, that or the Japan-exclusive HRAP VX-SE.
Not really much to say, aside from I can't believe this is actually happening! Big fan of the original, even more than Ikaruga... I love shmups that have actual level/environment design, it's something you don't really get much with the Cave bullet hell games anymore.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Why do you guys keep buying schmups? They're all the same.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Chacranajxy said:
Don't be a schmup
depths20XX
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Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Eh, it's really just a preference thing. Pad players can be just as strong as long as the pad they use suits them. EX-SE for me though.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
SOME-MIST said:
Of course, the other theory is that the 360 version is more "finely tuned"... or something like that. Why else would they change enemy placements and all that?
Well, either way, I do need to pick up the DC version at some point. I'm kind of an arcade-accuracy whore and I do love my Naomi ports on the Dreamcast.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
LiK said:
Like what? First person shooters? At least those change outside of the graphics. Halo is completely different from FEAR, which is completely different from Call of Duty. There's no difference between this game and that Gunwage shit from last year. Which, by the way, wasn't worth $10 because it was like 30 minutes.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
The only thing that makes a stick "better" than a (good) pad is the buttons, not the stick. Being able to have multiple digits over multiple buttons so that you have access to all of them instantaneously is the only real advantage that type of control device offers. You can make a good argument that they are better for fighters, but saying the same for shooters is just laughable to me.
At any rate, I'm looking forward to this. Even though I think you'd have to have some form of brain damage to think RSG is a better game than Ikaruga, I'd also say that you have to be an absurdly jaded individual to feel that RSG isn't worth your time or money. Great game, and I'm looking forward to what they've done with the port.
There are legitimate gripes about RSG. I make it a point to go out of my way to express some. Saying that it's "too samey" to other shooters is crazy talk though.
At any rate, I'm looking forward to this. Even though I think you'd have to have some form of brain damage to think RSG is a better game than Ikaruga, I'd also say that you have to be an absurdly jaded individual to feel that RSG isn't worth your time or money. Great game, and I'm looking forward to what they've done with the port.
Not sure if serious.Chacranajxy said:
There are legitimate gripes about RSG. I make it a point to go out of my way to express some. Saying that it's "too samey" to other shooters is crazy talk though.
sixteen-bit
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Chacranajxy posted that.andymcc said:
I know it's a joke.
This is the first I heard this was coming to xbox live.
When was the big announcement about this? Surely there was one and I am kicking myself for not hearing about it.
The best schmup ever made. This news is perfect. Will sit alongside ikaruga on my arcade list.
I just wish they could get the classics such as bubble bobble correct, the timing is all off on it.
Final fight and r-type is how you make a port to the xbox arcade.
Thanks goodness for mame.
When was the big announcement about this? Surely there was one and I am kicking myself for not hearing about it.
The best schmup ever made. This news is perfect. Will sit alongside ikaruga on my arcade list.
I just wish they could get the classics such as bubble bobble correct, the timing is all off on it.
Final fight and r-type is how you make a port to the xbox arcade.
Thanks goodness for mame.
PepsimanVsJoe
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You suck at joke-posting.Chacranajxy said:
Muchi Muchi Pink
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But than you haven't played Radiant SilvergunMarco1 said:
sixteen-bit
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seriously, where are you guys getting that "c" from?
"shmup" is supposed to be a portmanteau of "shoot 'em up"
"shmup" is supposed to be a portmanteau of "shoot 'em up"
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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depths20XX said:
A stick requires the use of all of your hand muscles and wrist, giving you more control. A pad only uses your thumb.
Sixfortyfive said:
That's crazy. You're actually suggesting that the use of only your thumb offers the same level of precision as the use of your entire hand and wrist.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I don't appear to have the same motor skill issues you do. I also don't use shitty modern pads, fwiw.Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Hitbox > stick anyway, for the same reason stick buttons > pad buttons.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Yeah, stick is much better for shmups, too. Some require to pressing simultaneously multiple buttons at the same time to get the best score (Ketsui for example). Also controlling your ship is by far better with a good stick (Seimitsu). You can place your ship pixel-precise.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
RSG had enough button macros on Saturn to make that issue 100% irrelevant anyway.levious said:
Going to be using PS2 Saturn pad on this release.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Sixfortyfive said:
This isn't arguable. If you prefer a pad for some reason, that's one thing. You have no ground to stand on with the argument that there is no advantage to using a stick over a pad.
Hitboxes... lol. I know there's a lot of people that grew up playing emulators with a keyboard, so hitboxes make sense for them, but there's no good reason to switch from a stick.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Does it work on the 360?Sixfortyfive said:
sixteen-bit
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With a converter, sureMuchi Muchi Pink said:
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
You can do obscure tiger knee motions (e.g. 2368) faster on hitbox than a stick for the same reason that you can piano key faster on a stick than on a pad with a conventional grip.Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
If you're suggesting stick over pad for the minor (if even existent) advantage in directional control without considering hitbox at all, then you're the one who needs some perspective.
I use an eTokki converter with it.Muchi Muchi Pink said:
I think I'd rather play Mars matrix.
With that said... As much as I loved radiant silvergun when it was first released, I really think that my nostalgia for the game has taken a bit of a dive when I've gone back to it. I'll pick it up on the Xbox 360, but I don't get the same enjoyment out of the game as I used to... Ikaruga is the same way for me now too though, so I guess it may just be that Treasure's shooting games just don't have the same kind of legs for me as much as something like Dangun Feveron (which is the greatest shooting game ever made. period. don't let anyone, anywhere tell you otherwise). Guess my focus in shooting games has changed a bit maybe?
Gradius V is still genius though. And it is by far one of the first games I pick up when I plug my PS2 back into my TV.
With that said... As much as I loved radiant silvergun when it was first released, I really think that my nostalgia for the game has taken a bit of a dive when I've gone back to it. I'll pick it up on the Xbox 360, but I don't get the same enjoyment out of the game as I used to... Ikaruga is the same way for me now too though, so I guess it may just be that Treasure's shooting games just don't have the same kind of legs for me as much as something like Dangun Feveron (which is the greatest shooting game ever made. period. don't let anyone, anywhere tell you otherwise). Guess my focus in shooting games has changed a bit maybe?
Gradius V is still genius though. And it is by far one of the first games I pick up when I plug my PS2 back into my TV.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Sixfortyfive said:
Hitboxes are awkward- why would you think it would be beneficial to go through that learning curve? For obscure tiger knee motions? Checked perspective, problem not found.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Can't say for sure. I put the time in to 1cc Ikaruga on default settings but never did the same for RSG because the scoring system frustrated me too much.Curufinwe said:
Sticks are awkward and also carry a learning curve. If you're going to suggest that a pad warrior switch to a new device, why suggest a suboptimal device?Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
SOME-MIST
Member
not more finely tuned to the PCB, that's for sure.Chacranajxy said:
Some say that they changed these minute details (tho big enough to affect score/gameplay) in order to throw off the long-time competitors...however, I personally think it was just a sloppy port - hence why I hope they do a better job on radiant silvergun...at least in staying true to the original version.
It makes no sense why they would alter the gameplay after a decade of gamers competing with nearly identical ports. It pretty much breaks the purity of the arcade port and gives long-time players less incentive to compete with world-wide scores with the 360 version.. tho it possibly gives them more incentive to relearn the game to compete on the 360 boards.
because psyvariar is the same as mamoru-kun wa norowarete shimatta which is the same as radirgy which is the same as akai katana which is the same as r-type which is the same as einhander, which is the same as radiant silvergun and so on..Chacranajxy said:
sixteen-bit
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RS is like 2-3 times longer than Ikaruga and forces you to learn chaining to power up your weapons if you want to be strong enough to kill later bosses. It's objectively harder.Curufinwe said:
sixteen-bit
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Both questions are answered in the product description.PJX said:
If you must know, lag free and PS2's Analog button acts as Xbox 360's Guide
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I actually think there was mention of an arranged mode in previous interviews that does something like this. It's one of the things I'm most intrigued about.epmode said:
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Ikaruga-Style mode is in, if you own Ikaruga on xbla, too.
sixteen-bit
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Has anyone ever payed that much?G-Fex said:
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Sixfortyfive said:
It's the control method that Radiant Silvergun was developed on and intended for, same as every other shooter ever made.
The learning curve is kind of overblown. Arcades weren't that long ago.
The fact that you can 1cc Ikaruga is an achievement. That you can do that on a pad is amazing!
cj_iwakura
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As a die-hard Saturn fan, this is relevant to my interests, just not owning the console relevant yet.
sixteen-bit
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Ikaruga is easier to get into, and it's cheaper. Go with that one.dvolovets said: