Crayon
Member
It would be if they showed a 12gb 7900 on n32 for $999.
GreatnessRD
Member
They should just keep their current naming scheme so everyone can get used to it.
$1600 - 7950 XT -> 4090 Ti
$1300 - 7900 XT -> 4090
$850 - 7800 XT -> 4080
$600 - 7700/7800 -> 4070 (As I don't believe AMD will overpower this card as they did the 6800 Non XT to compete with the 3070)
$400 - 7600 XT -> 4060 non Ti
That's my new pricing based on current up to date rumors. Nov 3rd gonna be a fun I hope.
$1600 - 7950 XT -> 4090 Ti
$1300 - 7900 XT -> 4090
$850 - 7800 XT -> 4080
$600 - 7700/7800 -> 4070 (As I don't believe AMD will overpower this card as they did the 6800 Non XT to compete with the 3070)
$400 - 7600 XT -> 4060 non Ti
That's my new pricing based on current up to date rumors. Nov 3rd gonna be a fun I hope.
Irobot82
Member
Rumor is 20GB and 24GB, but for all we know it ends up being 10 and 12GB
It seems clear to me, like Nvidia, we're only getting the most top end models first for a while. Which sucks because I just ain't spending that on a new GPU.
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Chiggs
Gold Member
It's 20GB and 24GB, but it would be hilarious if they had a 32GB model and suddenly stepped up their game for creative applications.
I'm curious to see what AMD also has in store for Apple's rumored Mac Pro refresh.
Crayon
Member
Not much difference to me because I definitely wouldn't be going over a 7700XT if I bite at all. But teh 6800 is supposed to be the sorta "normal" range. Somewhat disapointing if we don't get to see that and only the top shelf stuff. Hopefully we don't have to wait too long to see the next round of models.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Will it be using x86 hardware?
Chiggs
Gold Member
Safe money says "no," but I'd imagine they'd have to have a really incredible Apple Silicon GPU to keep pace with RDNA3 and Lovelace. Maybe they do...but it would be nice if they'd allow eGPUs, regardless. And that's where AMD could come in handy.
The Mac Pro rumors have been all over the place too.
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Irobot82
Member
I'm on a GTX1080 and a 1440p monitor I am in desperate need of an upgrade. I guess I'll bite at whatever is around the $500-700 range.
Crayon
Member
Ooh might have to wait all the way till the navi 33 parts. I was in the samme ballpark with a 570. After realizing I didn't want to jump right on something even when they release rdna3, I got a 6600XT ($190 used!) as a stopgap. If starfield runs great on it with FSR2, I'm stayin for a minute.
supernova8
Banned
Could be barking up the wrong tree but the lack of concrete leaks about RDNA3 suggest to me that it won't be impressive (ie the same or a bit worse with worse raytracing) versus Lovelace otherwise surely we would be seeing a lot of "controlled" leak stuff round about now, no?
RDNA2 seemed to have way more leaks at the time and then it came out and was basically just the same/slightly worse relative Ampere but with worse raytracing. Maybe AMD knows there's nothing amazing about RDNA3 versus Ada and they're trying not to set expectations too high.
I suppose the only interesting thing now would be if they also released a few mid-range SKUs in attempt to force Nvidia to respond (assuming they do not have as big an issue with leftover last-gen inventory compared to team green).
RDNA2 seemed to have way more leaks at the time and then it came out and was basically just the same/slightly worse relative Ampere but with worse raytracing. Maybe AMD knows there's nothing amazing about RDNA3 versus Ada and they're trying not to set expectations too high.
I suppose the only interesting thing now would be if they also released a few mid-range SKUs in attempt to force Nvidia to respond (assuming they do not have as big an issue with leftover last-gen inventory compared to team green).
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It is kinda weird there have been bugger all leaks. I wonder if that means release after announcement might be bigger than we are expecting aswell. We were getting leaked 3dmark scores for ada for months before release.
supernova8
Banned
I suppose it could also just mean AMD is getting better at plugging leaks, but you'd think the specs are finalized by now... I mean the reveal is just over a week away. Also you'd expect pricing to be more or less set now (within $100 or so otherwise AIB partners couldn't finalize their own BOM costs.
FingerBang
Member
As weird as AD103 is just for $1200+ cards I'd say
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Theres still space for a 7950XT3D.
It might have equal VRAM and Stream Processor but with a much higher cache.
I dont think whatever the range topper they announce November 3rd is going to be anywhere near the 4090 in terms of price.
Im praying their 3D versions go after that top tier pricing, and all their none-3D cards are under 1000 dollars.
And yes im still not going to buy them, but it would be a good blow to Nvidia for a near 4090 class card be priced below the 4080'16G.
GreatnessRD
Member
Yeah, still space for more of their premium offerings. And I think it depends on how the card stacks up to the 4090 in terms of price. If it genuinely competes with the 4090, I have no reason to believe AMD would undercut it so much especially since they see people are willing to pay premium prices. And out of curiosity, if the 7000 series does offer a blow to Nvidia, why wouldn't you buy it? (Assuming you're in the market for a 40 series card anyway. And if you don't use it for work) I only ask that because I see a lot of people doing this and its weird to me. Someone in Nvidia's reddit was buying a 3050 that's like $350-400. And for that same money could get an infinitely better card in the 6700 XT for the same money.
With that said, I'm very excited to see what AMD offers on the 3rd. I hope its a case of under promise and over deliver. Will be great for the consumers. Also hoping to see Intel continue buff their drivers since it appears folks are really buying Alchemist.
SolidQ
Member
There is 3 Sku's, no 7800, only 7900+
AncientOrigin
Member
Your price estimates are a little to high.And there won't be such a price gab between the 7900 and the 7850/7800
AMD will have the better cards in every class and will price them cheaper to get lots of NVidia mindshare.AMD will do to Nvidia now what they did to Intel with their amazing CPUs the time has come I think.
My price estimates are
7950 1300
7900 1000
7800 700
7700 500
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winjer
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AMD Radeon RX 7000 (RDNA3) GPUs receive Vulkan 1.3 conformity - VideoCardz.com
AMD RDNA3 GPUs now have official Vulkan 1.3 support Vulkan support for Radeon 7000 series arrives before the official introduction. The Vulkan 1.3 specification released in January this year is now widely supported by AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel GPUs. The recently launched GeForce RTX 4090 GPU...
videocardz.com
Kazekage1981
Member
RDNA3 seems to be hitting the right things on paper (based on leaks):
-Display 2.1 support
-Vulcan 1.3.3.1 support
-2-2.5 x RayTracing Performance
-2-3 x Rasterization Performance
-Higher GDDR6 memory amount with higher bandwidth
-Hitting Close to 3Ghz or more
-Implementation of ML cores using GFX11, WMMA instructions (For FSR 3.0?)
-Slightly lower TDP than RTX40 series
-Connectors that dont melt
-Slightly lower in prices
-MCM design on high end cards
-50% performance per watt uplift compared to RDNA 2
VideoCardz RDNA 3 article
"Similar to how NVIDIA uses matrix multiplactions for deep learning operations through its latest Tensor Core architecture, the AMD WMMA instructions will be fused on a hardware level to help achieve better Machine Learning or DNN operations. Now there aren't a lot of details provided but this recent update in the LLVM could be a hint at a major graphics pipeline overhaul in the RDNA 3 GPUs."
RDNA 3 GFX11, WMMA article
-Display 2.1 support
-Vulcan 1.3.3.1 support
-2-2.5 x RayTracing Performance
-2-3 x Rasterization Performance
-Higher GDDR6 memory amount with higher bandwidth
-Hitting Close to 3Ghz or more
-Implementation of ML cores using GFX11, WMMA instructions (For FSR 3.0?)
-Slightly lower TDP than RTX40 series
-Connectors that dont melt
-Slightly lower in prices
-MCM design on high end cards
-50% performance per watt uplift compared to RDNA 2
VideoCardz RDNA 3 article
"Similar to how NVIDIA uses matrix multiplactions for deep learning operations through its latest Tensor Core architecture, the AMD WMMA instructions will be fused on a hardware level to help achieve better Machine Learning or DNN operations. Now there aren't a lot of details provided but this recent update in the LLVM could be a hint at a major graphics pipeline overhaul in the RDNA 3 GPUs."
RDNA 3 GFX11, WMMA article
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supernova8
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GreatnessRD
Member
What you had were close to my original projections (See my quote towards the end about updated projections) until these leaks are hinting at RDNA3 being the better cards this go around. Just didn't see AMD letting that premium money at the top end go so easily with such cheaper prices. But its possible since they say RDNA3 is cheaper to make and the margins should be better they say. I don't know, so I won't take that as the gospel. Trust me when I say I wouldn't be mad at those prices whatsoever. I'm just praying for competition between the AMD and Nvidia. Looks like I may get my wish.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Hahahaha.
Im locked in the CUDA/OptiX ecosystem until more DCCs and Renderers are accelerated at a similar rate on AMD hardware.
Otherwise I would have been AMD for sure with the RX6800+ series.
16GB of VRAM + Radeon HIP thats actually as fast as OptiX....and I would have been sold.
Right now CUDA and OptiX are just too integrated into pipelines to really think about going anywhere else.
Even cheaper RTX cards embarrass cards like the 6800XT.
Lucie Goosey
Member
It doesn't make enough sense to me to not release the full lineup before Nvidia releases what was the previously known '4080 12GB' and lower cards.
RX 7000 series competing with the RTX 3000 series for 4-6 months would be incredibly advantageous.
AncientOrigin
Member
Any moment now leaks can appear.Exciting times
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Lucie Goosey
Member
In the next month or two I need to either purchase a used 3080 10gb or a new 7700 xt/7800 xt.
Let's see what happens.
Let's see what happens.
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FingerBang
Member
The problem is they're competing with the RX 6000 series as well. If they release the RX 7800 for let's say $7-800, no one is going to buy the ridiculous amount of old gen card they still have.
But AMD might simply slash prices to get market share (one can hope).
And leaks happening 1 week before are going to be quite accurate. Exciting times indeed!
I don't think those bad boys will be out before January/February. The 3080 10gb is a fantastic card, have been rocking it for 2 years and is still more than capable at 1440p and 4k. But the 7800XT might be twice as fast.
Lucie Goosey
Member
Does AMD really have a ridiculous amount of 6000 series cards laying around?
Do you have any sources?
I thought that was only Nvidia.
FingerBang
Member
Hmm, maybe I exaggerated a little, but for what I understand the reasons why the market is flooded with cards are the same for both AMD and Nvidia. They have both plenty of last gen cards to sell and steep competition from the used market after the crypto crash.
AMD might be in a better situation since they probably produce less cards overall, but still wouldn't expect their mid-low end to come out in 2022.
GymWolf
Member
What are they talking about?
winjer
Member
RDNA3, aka 7900 series.
GymWolf
Member
Wasn't the presentation set for 3 nov?
FingerBang
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GymWolf
Member
FingerBang
Member
Yep, and we're talking about the highest end. Forget about the 7800 and below. If I had to bet, I'd say we'll see those cards from February.
AncientOrigin
Member
You want 6000 cards?Or what do you mean?Or do you mean the 4060?
GymWolf
Member
Skifi28
Member
Perhaps should have said x600. As in 7600/7600xt.
AncientOrigin
Member
Stay positive who knows maybe the middle cards release before Christmas.I could imagine high end 1.12 and 7800 cards 20-24 or 28-30
AncientOrigin
Member
Aha ok the entry cards.I am sure they will have great performance compared to the 6000 that we have now.
FingerBang
Member
This is pretty amazing too
Apparently we can expect the next high end mobile cards to match a 6950/3090
IIRC that would be N32 at around 180W. If they price this correctly they'll destroy the mid range.
I mean, all the rumors point to N31 and this chip being only 7900xt and 7900xtx, but who knows. Maybe they will introduce the 7800 and 7700 as well.
Apparently we can expect the next high end mobile cards to match a 6950/3090
IIRC that would be N32 at around 180W. If they price this correctly they'll destroy the mid range.
I mean, all the rumors point to N31 and this chip being only 7900xt and 7900xtx, but who knows. Maybe they will introduce the 7800 and 7700 as well.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
Agreed. If this is true they must have a glut of last gen GPUs too and feel the need to not compete for the sake of clearing them out. Didn't they launch 6800/6700 then 6900 1 or 2 weeks later in 2020? Maybe they will do the same but in reverse and we aren't hearing anything because there is less hype for AMD and even less hype for the mid-level cards.
AncientOrigin
Member
Nintendo could make a Home console with the Mobile high end graphiccard and a mobile CPU from AMD with 16 GB ram with a basic SSD 256 GB for 350 and still make money from it and destroy PS5 and XBoxX
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
180W laptop/mobile GPU? Guys.. tell me how you'll power that more than 10 mins
Every gaming laptop I've seen costs like £1,500-2,000 so no idea how we'll see that in a home console
Nevertheless, for a mobile GPU, that is mighty impressive. That would be able to run everything in 4k60.
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AncientOrigin
Member
The parts are not expensive gaming laptops are something else.I am talking about a home console.An AMD mobile CPU like in the PS5 costs Sony probably 40-80 the GPU when it was new state of the art and PlayStation is also part custom not exactly the same 5700 or 5800.That costed Sony probably 100-200
So If Nintendo could get a good deal.150-200 for the GPU mobile high end cpu same as PS5 now probably very cheap 20-50 Basic SSD 256 GB 30-50
RAM 16 GB I don't know what does cost but maybe 80 and rest small things PSU 15 other small things.So for Nintendo they could sell for even at 350 if they get good deals or if they would go with 8 GB ram even smaller SSD would make money at 350
AncientOrigin
Member
Here is an older list with how much GPUs cost to make they are very cheap to make.
