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RE5 confirmed for PS3? Seems like it

im talkin w/ respect to the playstation brand. No console prior has ever had the same name on it either… nor was the numbers game ever as dominating as has been the case w/ playstation 1 and 2. Nor has a handheld ever been able to outshine a Nintendo equivalent simply because it carries the sony/playstation brand (tech advantage has got nothing to do w/ it… look up gamegear). I won't even bother w/ this since it is pointless now, but like I have said before...

xbox 360 = x units sold
ps3 = x + 60 million at the very least

Go ahead and log this in if you want, then come back in 6 yrs n tell me thank you for being able to see into the future (some would say seeing the obvious ;p)
 
Society said:
If you are playing the history lesson, no console maker every lead for 3 gens in a row.

I truly hate how people make stupid statements like this. The gaming biz isn't that old really, what it it now 30 years? The above statement is like some kind of astrological, ouigie board infused prediction. The truth of the matter is, looking at market realities Sony has the most security and best chance of dominating next generation. They have EVERYTHING (other than launching first) going for them.
 
Same could be said of Atari in the late 70's and very early 80's,Nintendo in the mid 80's and early 90's.

I mean you do realize that eventually someone will come along and top any current market leader,its always happened and will happen again. Do you work for Sony btw?:b
 
Pedigree Chum said:
I truly hate how people go off stupid logic like this. The gaming biz isn't that old really, what it it now 30 years? The above statement is like some kind of astrological, ouigie board infused prediction. The truth of the matter is, looking at market realities Sony has the most security and best chance of dominating next generation.

Stupid logic? rofl
and saying "it's a Sony' is genius.

Pedigree Chum said:
They have EVERYTHING (other than launching first) going for them.
I once shared that blind optimism. Sony can not fight the fight MS is bringing to the table. Just accept it, I have, and I hate MS.
 
Pedigree Chum said:
The truth of the matter is, looking at market realities Sony has the most security and best chance of dominating next generation. They have EVERYTHING (other than launching first) going for them.
Looking at the boards, they certainly have a large following, in spite of their fuck-ups in the past. Any explanation for this? What is it that Sony does so well, that Microsoft and Nintendo just cannot do?
 
So would you all agree that a potential GTA exclusive would go a long way to influence, or even determine the outcome of the next-gen console wars? :)
 
Society said:
Sony can not fight the fight MS is bringing to the table. Just accept it, I have, and I hate MS.

There's nothing inevitable about MS's position in this industry except that they'll be persistant.

And Sony is holding most of the cards right now..

So would you all agree that a potential GTA exclusive would go a long way to influence, or even determine the outcome of the next-gen console wars?

In and of itself, no. If it was a complete exclusive, never showed up on another platform, it might sway some. I hate to sound like a complete Sony parrot here, but it's something I've been thinking about recently, and honestly I think Sony is somewhat immune to franchise switches. Their dominance allows Sony to turn what might just be a "hit" on another platform into "super-hits" of GTA proportions. If GTA didn't show up on playstation at all this gen, I don't think it'd have been of the same mass interest as it was. Look at something like RE4 - part of a defining Playstation series - despite it's MASSIVE quality, it didn't make much of an impact in wider circles. In a way, playstation is a kingmaker. If GTA moved entirely to another system, other series would probably capture the imagination of playstation owners and they'd make it THE series to have. Sony has already weathered one transition with franchises going all over the place..
 
Jonnyram said:
Looking at the boards, they certainly have a large following, in spite of their fuck-ups in the past. Any explanation for this? What is it that Sony does so well, that Microsoft and Nintendo just cannot do?

Mindshare is their greatest weapon. They have indeed fucked-up in the past, but come on they're not major fuck-ups that cripple a system (Like N64's cartridge medium). Bad software at launch, hard to develop for system were either a non-issue/solved with time. I doubt Sony will make the same mistakes with PS3, especially with the a worthy opponent like MS.
 
angelus sure, everything comes to an end.... but not over night and especially not when it is at the very top of its game. Look @ how long it took sega to come crashing down.

Also, what exactly is MS bringin to the table that sony can't match? Inferior tech, check, inferior brand name, check, horrid reputation in japan, check, HD era, check... lol

Please, the only and i mean ONLY thing ms has going for it is the earlier street date... dreamcast anyone? ;p
 
Jonnyram said:
Looking at the boards, they certainly have a large following, in spite of their fuck-ups in the past. Any explanation for this? What is it that Sony does so well, that Microsoft and Nintendo just cannot do?

Blind Loyalty
 
Society said:
I once shared that blind optimism. Sony can not fight the fight MS is bringing to the table. Just accept it, I have, and I hate MS.

How so? Sony has better mindshare, better marketshare to go off of, more powerful system, etc. MS is launching first. That is all.

I'm sure that launching first in NA will make a significant difference at first, but overall, when it's all said and done I see MS maybe selling 10m more system than this gen (all of which in NA) and doing just as bad in JP and most probably in Europe too.
 
Izzy said:
So would you all agree that a potential GTA exclusive would go a long way to influence, or even determine the outcome of the next-gen console wars? :)

In western markets for sure. But I'm betting that Sony ties this shit up for next gen, if MS surprises with GTA for 360...well then, I'll change my predictions. My predictions at the moment are mainly going off of this gen, there's a lot of variability, anything can happen. There could be a GTA-caliber game that ends up in MS's hands. Who knows, but from what we can see so far Sony is still a shoe in for a threepeate.
 
Doube D said:
im talkin w/ respect to the playstation brand. No console prior has ever had the same name on it either… nor was the numbers game ever as dominating as has been the case w/ playstation 1 and 2. Nor has a handheld ever been able to outshine a Nintendo equivalent simply because it carries the sony/playstation brand (tech advantage has got nothing to do w/ it… look up gamegear). I won't even bother w/ this since it is pointless now, but like I have said before...

xbox 360 = x units sold
ps3 = x + 60 million at the very least

Go ahead and log this in if you want, then come back in 6 yrs n tell me thank you for being able to see into the future (some would say seeing the obvious ;p)

Brand is a fragile little blanket that can combust in a matter of months, what makes consumers buy a platform over another are games, and those are entirely up to the developers' support, the devs jumped on board of PS2 without really knowing what they would be facing, PS2 built hype in mainstream, attracted developers and publishers only because of the promise that it would be playstation all over again, which it did, except devs generally hate working on it, some even were vocal about it.

N64 didnt lose to playstation because of brand, heck, for the first 2 years, playstation was following the saturn to the graveyard and all the hype was on n64. What happened? Developers jumped ship because nintendo treated them like shit, didnt offer them any help, high cost dev kits, high cost cartridges.

If Microsoft can offer them easy to work with tools, offer them an easy solution to make PC versions (XNA), low licensing fees, low format fees (BRD are going to be expensive no matter how you look at it), a non headache inducing hardware architecture, lots of collaboration with 3rd parties ($$$, which sony doesnt do, nor can they afford it actually), a solid network (unlike sony who is more free for all), offer the best technical support for devs and even offer help to enhance their visuals with ATI engineers (they did it with xbox and nvidia for some projects)..

Then i think you're very far off from your X + 60M mark for PS3, i think next gen microsoft is going to put things in balance much like genesis vs snes era. Sega managed to hurt nintendo by making them lose nearly 50% of their marketshare by launching first, pour tons of money into marketing, microsoft is launching first and can easily pour money in marketing, and now there's much rumors that devs are supporting it quite a bit, and some devs being wary of cell's architecture.

Videogame history is quite young but for how things are looking up right now, i think we'll witness a genesis 2
 
Jonnyram said:
Looking at the boards, they certainly have a large following, in spite of their fuck-ups in the past. Any explanation for this? What is it that Sony does so well, that Microsoft and Nintendo just cannot do?

not robust hardware atleast.
 
I think Mikami said he will not work on any more RE games. I wouldnt doubt Capcom to make it without him though, they dont seem to care what Mikami thinks.
 
buggy, you are correct in that playstation 1 didn't have brand support and had to earn it the hard way, which it did thanx to the fluck ups by nintendo n sega.... but once sony got the brand to the level it was by the time the ps2 was released, it was all but over for the dreamcast, cube, n xbox from the get go.

You are correct in that devs decide who gains the top spot, but publishers decide who the devs dev for, and publishers could careless about how many crams a programmer gets typing in flucked up code... all they see is market share and every publisher and their daddy knows that the ps3 is guaranteed to have a HUGE public share just by virtue of the brand recognition you chose to downplay. Thus short of sony making a retarded mistake (ie nintendo n carts for the 64), the ps3 will easily demolish the competition in terms of sales.
 
how disappointed do you think capcom are in sales of re4? in development for years, scrapped several times, unbelievably high production values...it didn't sell badly, but neither did it sell nearly as well as, say, luigi's mansion. at this point i think they'd be very reluctant to put a major exclusive on a nintendo console. ever again.

and if you're going to trot out the "it's because they announced a ps2 version" excuse, please explain how the announcement of a ps2 version discouraged the existing ~15 million gamecube owners from buying re4.
 
drohne said:
how disappointed do you think capcom are in sales of re4? in development for years, scrapped several times, unbelievably high production values...it didn't sell badly, but neither did it sell nearly as well as, say, luigi's mansion. at this point i think they'd be very reluctant to put a major exclusive on a nintendo console. ever again.

and if you're going to trot out the "it's because they announced a ps2 version" excuse, please explain how the announcement of a ps2 version discouraged the existing ~15 million gamecube owners from buying re4.


RE4 has been out for 4 months.

Luigi's Mansion has been out for almost 4 years.
 
Doube D said:
angelus sure, everything comes to an end.... but not over night and especially not when it is at the very top of its game. Look @ how long it took sega to come crashing down.

I dont think anyone is talking about "crashing down", just a massive shift in balance in the market, and yes, that can happen FAST

Also, what exactly is MS bringin to the table that sony can't match? Inferior tech, check, inferior brand name, check, horrid reputation in japan, check, HD era, check... lol

Well i'll score an easy point: money

-Superior tech ever changed anything in the market outside of fanboy wars? Genesis vs snes, playstation vs n64, playstation 2 vs gamecube vs xbox, and do i even have to mention gameboy? naw i think this point is KO

-Brand name, as i said above, is a very fragile thing to rely on, Nintendo came off the NES era as the savior of the videogame industry, every damn gamer had his NES, Mario became a more popular brandname than Mickey and achieved sales that have yet to have been matched over 2 decades later, yet little Sega who came entered the 16bit gen with nothing but the SMS under their name, which really, outside of a few really was pretty much ignored by gamers (my first console was SMS ^^;), came in and ate a good ~45 to 55% marketshare, had a bigger userbase than SNES for quite a while. Just what happened? Oh yea, devs tired of playing the monopoly game with an arrogant company, sounds familiar, what else? Money money money, sega of america was pouring huge ammounts of money in marketing even to the point where it chocked sega of japan with their saturn development and eventually resulted in the decline of sega, except that.. microsoft doesnt rely on their videogame division to make their profits, and that they have a LOT.

-Horrid reputation in japan, i'll give you that, but again, thats a result of developer's support, you have to consider that with the rise of development thats coming for the next gen, publishers in majority will be looking at the north american market more than they ever did to pay off all the money and time invested in their projects. If microsoft can change the minds of certain key devs that are about to cut their veins from working on PS2 to move on x360, i think it would be a good start and im pretty sure thats what they're/'ll be doing. Of course, without square that could be a market where sony ends up dominating over microsoft, but that doesnt mean it wont hurt sony.

Please, the only and i mean ONLY thing ms has going for it is the earlier street date... dreamcast anyone? ;p

And money.. and pissed off devs working in sony's camp and money.. and money
Genesis anyone? ;p
 
Doube D said:
buggy, you are correct in that playstation 1 didn't have brand support and had to earn it the hard way, which it did thanx to the fluck ups by nintendo n sega.... but once sony got the brand to the level it was by the time the ps2 was released, it was all but over for the dreamcast, cube, n xbox from the get go.

Oh, i know it was all over for DC, GC and xbox, even before PS2's release, thats because the mainstream waited on the promise of having a console that would continue on playstation's momentum and developers the same, i just dont think the devs really knew what they were getting into before focusing entirely on ps2 and giving the other consoles crumbs of bread.

You are correct in that devs decide who gains the top spot, but publishers decide who the devs dev for, and publishers could careless about how many crams a programmer gets typing in flucked up code... all they see is market share and every publisher and their daddy knows that the ps3 is guaranteed to have a HUGE public share just by virtue of the brand recognition you chose to downplay. Thus short of sony making a retarded mistake (ie nintendo n carts for the 64), the ps3 will easily demolish the competition in terms of sales.

More or less true, yes publishers decide, yes marketshare and money decide, but when you have to invest say, 15 to 25% more money/time on a project on X platform over Y platform to make it as pretty as the bigger competition is pulling off on that X platform (thats also a lot of R&D money, just think the ammount of time konami spent on R&D'ing ps2 to produce MGS2, lots and lots my friend) or simply because its a complex piece of hardware, that your development team's producer is getting lots of complaints from peoples under him and eventually he'll be the one complaining to the higher execs, eventually the publisher will be starting to consider platform Y, especially if it costs less in terms of devs kits and production time, has tools to shut up your employees for a while, thats not even considering money hats.

Production cost is the ONLY damn reason DS is even getting support and arguably more than PSP, its not because of touch screen or any other gibberish like that, its because low tech > high tech in R&D, in time, in manpower, less risky financially for smaller studios and generally devs working on a graphic engine thats one generation behind the current one is a breeze for them.
 
Buggy Loop said:
Oh yea, devs tired of playing the monopoly game with an arrogant company, sounds familiar, what else?

I can assure you that most publishers are more than happy with Sony's dominance. It's (very) profitable for them, and Sony doesn't treat them like shit. Sony isn't arrogant at all in the ways Nintendo was. It's a very very different situation.

To be completely and totally honest, I think Microsoft is taking a big big risk. They seem to have dumped a lot of the selling points that have established Xbox, in favour of a strategy that they may simply not be in a position to pull off. IMO, I'm not at all sure if they've built enough momentum to do what they're trying to do. X360 will sell, and sell better than the original, but when X360 and PS3 are sitting on shelves next to each other, if anything the choice will be even more obvious next-gen for the casual than this gen. And casuals are what drives a console to those ~100m+ userbases.

I might be more convinced post-E3, who knows - I mean this is all very early discussion here. But as of right now, I think this is a risky strategy for MS.
 
gofreak said:
I hate to sound like a complete Sony parrot here, but it's something I've been thinking about recently, and honestly I think Sony is somewhat immune to franchise switches. Their dominance allows Sony to turn what might just be a "hit" on another platform into "super-hits" of GTA proportions. If GTA didn't show up on playstation at all this gen, I don't think it'd have been of the same mass interest as it was. Look at something like RE4 - part of a defining Playstation series - despite it's MASSIVE quality, it didn't make much of an impact in wider circles. In a way, playstation is a kingmaker.

While I agree with the general principle behind what you're saying here, IMO it's very different when we're talking about a still-going-strong franchise moving consoles during a generational shift, like we'll be seeing with X360. I don't think anyone can seriously argue it won't be very hard for any console to compete in the US with a console which already has seen a next-generation Halo, GTA, Madden...
 
"but once sony got the brand to the level it was by the time the ps2 was released, it was all but over for the dreamcast, cube, n xbox from the get go."

indeed it was, before the Xbox and GC came out it was pretty much all over. The PS2 was entrenced as _the_ console to own out of the three.

However, you can't deny that the Xbox has built up a strong brand in the US. Japan = meh. and Europe are still 'majority meh'. But in the US? I'm pretty sure Xbox is up there in peoples minds.

GTA will make a massive difference and anyone who thinks otherwise is foolish. But you know what? Halo will make a massive difference too - as will countless other games (EA support, Rare's stuff, Metal Gear Solid, GT5, etc etc...)

This gen is going to split people down the lines of which exclusives they like. If you are a Halo'er , you are gonna split down the XBox 2 side, if you are into... err... other franchises, then you'll end up getting a PS3. It's that simple.

When they are sitting side by side on a shelf? Well, i dunno. I'd be more likely saying (if i had to pick one) "Which games do i want to play?" and then buy the machine accordingly and go with the machine with the most interesting games. Call me crazy , i expect that to be what most people think. DS vs PSP - DS is _much_ weaker, PSP is MUCH SEXY TIME, which one is winning ? Hard as it is to believe, but the Japanese are taking the DS option 2:1 over the PSP - at least for now...


Although i would add that it's going to take some money hatting at the start to get these franchises and even then (other than the 1st party stuff) i don't see many games being total exclusives. I just think we are going to have a hell of a lot more multiplatform games this time - if the fight is going to end up at even 70/30 in favour of Sony, then i don't think publishers will want to miss out on the XB360 30%

The thing is , this time, the suplementary support on the Xbox 360 is going to be vastly better than the Xbox - don't even mention the Dreamcast in the same sentence, because if you believe Xb360 is in the same boat, then you need to be locked up.

I don't see Sony "losing" this gen , but i do see them 'losing'. They'll outsell the Xbox 360 globably, but they are going to have a hell of a fight on their hands in the US. How much of the pie can sony afford to lose given their "bleed-recoup" model?
 
Buggy, you keep bringing up the money, but for the last five years, and now too, I have yet to see any indication of MS outspending Sony on anything when it comes to Xbox. Even now, everyone keeps talking how MS doesn't even want to lose money upfront on hardware, even though they did last time. So it just looks like they are willing to only spend less, not more than they did.

lots of collaboration with 3rd parties ($$$, which sony doesnt do, nor can they afford it actually)
You think teams like Insomniac, Sucker Punch or others, do PS2 exclusives out of the goodness of their hearts? Please. Sony spends good money on dev relationships and when they feel like it, on exclusives too.

suplementary support on the Xbox 360 is going to be vastly better than the Xbox
How do you think? Xbox support is already at a level that it's getting pretty much every multiplatform game, maybe not if it's from Japan, but that'll probably stay that way in next gen too.
 
Sony is their own worst enemy right now. They have marketshare and mindshare, which is paramount for carrying momentum from one gen to the next. The NES dominated. The SNES did not. Nintendo outsold Sega, but not by a mammoth amount. They lost considerable marketshare. Now, the PS1 started slow, but dominated. The reason the PS2 has managed to gain rather than lose marketshare is b/c Sony leveraged market/mindshare properly.

Sony is not Nintendo. Nintendo is content to lose marketshare hand over fist from one gen to the other. Witness how they're letting Sony steal marketshare in the handheld market. Sony has to keep the Playstation ubiquitous with gaming to maintain their mindshare. They will do this with continued exclusives up until the PS3 market machine gets into full swing. They will also have to maintain their sales strength to keep their marketshare. This is almost a given with the GC's near-disappearance, and the Xbox's "momentum" amounting to nothing.

So with a well-timed and priced PS3, the natural progression for most gamers will be to get on the PS3 bandwagon, whether the 360 is good or not. The DC made a nice splash, but was nothing int he face of the PS2 juggernaut.

Now, the software can make or break it. If MS secures a lot of exclusives, they'll have a chance. But gamers can tell tenative support from legit support. The DC had lots of devs on board, but where were the FFs and the GTs? Getting a stale series like RE didn't help the GC much, not when the PS2 was getting the hot new series in DMC and Onimusha. So if gamers see tentative support for 360, they're not gonna support it strongly, and as a result, devs won't support it strongly, and it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. OTOH, if it has the exclusives, and can rope in enough people early enough to bolster the dev support, then they have a fighting chance.

I want a 360, but between two companies I hate, MS and Sony, I think I'd much prefer Sony coming out on top. Something about MS running the gaming market that turns my stomach. The Wintel nation has been more a hindrance than help to PCs IMO. PEACE.
 
"Superior tech ever changed anything in the market outside of fanboy wars. Genesis vs snes, playstation vs n64, playstation 2 vs gamecube vs xbox, and do i even have to mention gameboy? naw i think this point is KO"

Yes actually, PS2 -> DC, Playstation -> Saturn. SNES -> Genesis. All depends on how selective you are.
 
"How do you think? Xbox support is already at a level that it's getting pretty much every multiplatform game, maybe not if it's from Japan, but that'll probably stay that way in next gen too."

i mean, i think people will be surprised with the calibur of titles/devs that start taking the Xbox more seriously this time.
 
i mean, i think people will be surprised with the calibur of titles/devs that start taking the Xbox more seriously this time.
OK, but I'm still not seeing what publishers, except for some Japanese ones are not already taking Xbox very seriously, and developing almost every game from their libraries for it. Even Japanese devs used to take Xbox very seriously early on, until they decided to scale down support for it as the time went by.

I guess I'll see what you meant soon enough.
 
The bad news for MS and Nintendo is
Because of the PS3 architecture,
Any game designed for the PS3 will probably be tough to port and will end up running alot worse than it should on the other consoles.
 
i'm curious: what makes people so sure that microsoft's mindshare is approaching the size of sony's? i thought that argument made sense when monthly xbox sales were matching monthly ps2 sales, but that didn't last, and ps2 has spent 2005 way out in front. xbox and ps2 both have adequate libraries, and the xbox is clearly more powerful, but new console buyers are overwhelmingly choosing ps2 anyway.

i think it's entirely likely that xbox 360 will make gains in the us, but i think that'll be based on what microsoft achieves with the new console, not the mindshare they'll carry over from this gen.
 
drohne said:
i'm curious: what makes people so sure that microsoft's mindshare is approaching the size of sony's? i thought that argument made sense when monthly xbox sales were matching monthly ps2 sales, but that didn't last, and ps2 has spent 2005 way out in front. xbox and ps2 both have adequate libraries, and the xbox is clearly more powerful, but new console buyers are overwhelmingly choosing ps2 anyway.

i think it's entirely likely that xbox 360 will make gains in the us, but i think that'll be based on what microsoft achieves with the new console, not the mindshare they'll carry over from this gen.

well you're right. PS2 has been outselling xbox last 4 months or so.
 
Microsoft is gonna make Sony earn that high market share you speak of. Sony may get that market share but at what cost? Microsoft is gonna make Sony start bleeding like a river one way or the other. Sony may win but will the price be to high for them is the question you should be asking. M$ isn't gonna give them this gen and they WILL be controlling the price drops this time. Can Sony stay in range of those price drops is the question? Either way Microsoft win's cause they know Sony can't afford a price drop war and if they win that war they'll bleed themselves to death. Like I said either way M$ wins. This almost feels like Sega and Sony's battle only this time Microsoft would be Sony (AKA stronger).
 
well you're right. PS2 has been outselling xbox last 4 months or so.
Even if it wouldn't be outselling it as much as it does, it's questionable how distributable the mindshare is just based on the numbers of such late-in-life sales. Tens of millions of people already got PS2, are not going to buy it again, but they can be considered the mindshare in it's favor.

Thanks! I wonder how reliable PSW is. I don't think there's any reason to make this up. Or is there?
I don't know, but I hope it's not the same mag that broke the news of Out Run 2 being PS2 exclusive (and somehow I think it is) :P

Like I said either way M$ wins.
Yeah, after five years of you repeating this, I think we get it.
 
I can see Sony dumping Devil May Cry as an exclusive franchise, and offering Capcom incentives rather for Resident Evil instead.

Makes the most sense too.

PS3 is the most powerful system to allow RE to maintain its cutting edge visual prowess from RE4.

It'll have the biggest userbase in Japan, where Bio Hazard is still popular.

Sony makes/distributes the Resident Evil movies.


I dunno know if Capcom will offer it as an all-out exclusive, but I can definitely see it as a PS3-premiere franchise for anywhere from 6-12 months.
 
Spike said:
At least this time it makes sense, though. It doesn't say the game will be exclusive or anything, and I think it's almost certain it will be made on PS3 (and all other next gen consoles, likely) considering they are putting out RE4 on PS2.
 
bleh. if sony dumps devil may cry for resident evil, i'll dump sony. (though i doubt they pay for dmc exclusivity anyway)
 
:lol @ comparing Luigi's Mansion, a launch title from nearly 4 years ago, to RE4, a game that's only been out for 4 months.
 
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