theres no way to factually know what the cancelled feature would done.
common sense and past actions make it laughable to think that you'd be able to share a game with 10 people
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theres no way to factually know what the cancelled feature would done.
common sense and past actions make it laughable to think that you'd be able to share a game with 10 people
Whiteshirt
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Exactly.
Are people so short sighted to believe that doing a 180 absolves you of past mistakes? It takes time, effort, and results to show that you've learnt from past mistakes.
If I threaten to bash you up but decide not do, are you going to treat me differently the next time you see me? Yes, you're going to be wary about me because I just threaten to hurt you. The same thing goes here.
Of course some posters might say "Sony has thought of the same thing, they're no different!". Sony had patents but seemed willing to maintain the status quo and didn't implement anything. Microsoft actually implemented their policies and reversed on it. There's a big difference.
There were benefits to the Xbox One approach but most defences of the Xbox One policies amount to "got mine, fuck you".
U n i o n 0015
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This is a terrible AMA.
He is basically like "yeah I didn't think most of our philosophy was bad, I don't understand the outcry", combined with revealing no real interesting information. Weak.
He is basically like "yeah I didn't think most of our philosophy was bad, I don't understand the outcry", combined with revealing no real interesting information. Weak.
Pease don't twist my words. I said they were bad from a mass market standpoint. They were never an issue for me. I said that repeatedly. All my consoles are connected to the Internet 24/7, all of my Kinect, PS Eye and Sensor bar (WiiU) are connected 24/7, and I'm even slowly replacing all my disc based games digitally through sales/PS Plus.
The Xbox One as it was originally designed was fine for me. Yes, I knew it would fail commercially, which I assume MS also figured out, but for ME personally, it looked great.
The Dreamcast failed horribly, but I still loved the console. Ultimately, I only give a shit about me. Not any of you.
They demoed playing Ryse while waiting for Killer Instinct matchmaking. If both are disc-based, you have to switch discs to switch between games. With disc-based games, scenarios like that one won't be possible at all, since you can't keep one game running when you switch discs to play another game.
You can argue that people can just buy digital games to enable those scenarios, but digital games are much more limited now, since they require the download and they don't allow any sharing.
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Right now? Nobody (except for maybe CD Projekt). If it meant the elimination of the used games market (i.e. its current form in which developers and publishers don't get a cut from every transaction) and a hindrance to piracy? Well, we can only speculate, but I'd say at least a few would.
No, I understand. Those are mostly valid concerns.
PS4 being more powerful at $100 less is on the individual. MS thinks that including Kinect and HDMI in features justify the $100 more. Does it? I dunno. Its up to the individual to decide. I like Kinect, I see the convenience of have your DirecTV feed running with an X1 overlay. Seems cool to me.
However, MS needs to step up their messaging and explain these things better. I think their marketing has been lackluster, but we are still a ways out. Maybe they'll pull the stops out 2 months to launch.
As far as a DRM reversal, I don't think it'll be so black and white. They won't just flip the switch back. They will make it a better tasting pill to swallow. Hell, maybe their new plan (if and when it comes) will even convince you
StudioTan
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SneakyStephan
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The launch fats then?
My 80GB (from 2008) fat has always been inaudible (well now it no longer is, the bearings in the fans are worn out and now you can hear it spinning, but it still is much more quiet than my 2007 xbox360 which sounded like a hairdryer since day one.
Ultraviolet lets you share movies with 5 people. So the concept is not totally unheard of.
Uno Venova
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Why didn't you quote citadel or retrostu
And why can't they make any of this optional?
Horrible post by you. Insinuating that Amir0x hasn't laid his points out in his posts but opted INSTEAD to attack the posters (as the person he quoted did.)
The thing is, they didn't actually try to 'fuck you'. They thought their way was better and that the world was ready to embrace it, much lots of people love and prefer e-books. You can't condemn them for 'trying to fuck you over' when that's never been the intent.
If that was the case, then isn't almost every company out there trying or fuck us over? Apple? Google? He'll even Nintendo and Sony deep down prefer you download. Does that mean they want to fuck us over too?
Are the Xboners the most gullible creatures ever existed? I mean there are gullible creatures everywhere but holy shit the amount of shit the Xboners are willing to swallow the past few months are dizzying.
Publishers, "hey everyone don't worry about rising costs and we are losing money left and right. Share your copy of game with 10 other bestest friends for free. Love will keep us afloat."
Publishers, "hey everyone don't worry about rising costs and we are losing money left and right. Share your copy of game with 10 other bestest friends for free. Love will keep us afloat."
They could implement a system whereby you can opt-in to associating a retail disc with your XBL account.
If I opt-in, what stops me just selling it afterwards? If I sold it afterwards, how would the purchaser know if the disc has been associated or not?
phosphor112
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TV's can do picture in picture easily without the need for things like eSRAM.
Nothing stops you. Seems to me like it would result in the exact same result in the end: Two people can play a game simultaneously.
You who has associated the retail disc with his account.
The person with the disc that is using the game offline. If he goes online the game will be disassociated with your account.
There isn't, but game developers don't like it. That's why some of them invented online passes.
Nothing has changed for you. You can still hook your Xbox One to the internet 24/7. There is no need for a mandatory internet connection for everyone when not everyone can hook to the net, for Microsoft to deliver games digitally.
This is what I don't understand. You want what Microsoft will offer by being online 24/7? Do it. Nothing has been lost other than getting to play 60 min demos with the now dead family plan.
Make what optional? They now have disc-based DRM. They simply can't allow digital DRM for disc-based games now. They could introduce the sharing of digital games in the future, but since neither Sony nor Valve do it, they have no incentive to allow the sharing of digital games and they surely won't introduce used game sales for digital games.
The way things are now, disc-based games have some clear advantages over digital games. If I had an Xbox One, I'd buy almost exclusively disc-based games (decause of the large downloads and the lack of sharing). That scenario to switch back-and-forth between disc-based games simply no longer works.
And therein lies the problem...
SneakyStephan
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Amirox I always enjoy your posts.
So the end result is the same as with the fabled family program but somehow now it's a problem when it's opt-in? (Actually more restrictive, so more publisher friendly.)
What a bummer. I was totally looking forward to something good being implemented.
R3TRO
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LOL, he was ruthless.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
In which posts did they call out other posters for calling people names? If they did they're also being hypocrites.
Well, you could be posting on here with your phone.
And to tether with your console, you have to pay an extra fee per month to your phone provider.
It is crazy that there isn't enough time to fix this before the system launches. It was changed at least 5 months before the system launches.
I'm pretty sure the 'patch' isn't the actual reason, they just want users to connect the machine to their router. Once this is done most users will keep it that way and they will have the 247 connection they wanted.
This also allows them to system update any consoles that may of been sat on a shelf for a while, possibly with exploitable software.
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While you're right in that I did attack Amir0x and not his point this time around, it was provoked by him calling everyone who doesn't agree with his truth-stretching "facts" petulant whiny little babies. Yet you don't seem to have an issue with that, interestingly enough. Being insulting to others while foaming at the mouth and spinning "facts" is business as usual for Amir0x, which is the primary reason why I don't feel obliged to extend him the courtesy of a polite conversation anymore. Although I suppose it's true that I shouldn't have gotten involved in this in the first place, it's just a waste of time.
I know 3 people who work at MS, and the response is always this, so it's not surprising. It's weird that this company has thrived as long as it has with everyone that collects a paycheck wearing blinders.
Oh I don't have an issue with calling other people stuff, within reason.
The post I was responding to insinuated that Amir0x was only doing that while calling it out in others. He did that in addition to laying out his argument. There is a distinction. One is a fallacious argument and the other is just adding spice.
(Calling someone a Xbox is lame though.)
I believe in the healing power of unicorns.
Thank you. Everyone at my site loves it. I got banned because I only ever posted links to our site because I absolutely can't stand it.
Digital vs physical. How does that work?
That AMA put me off the box more.
I am still considering which console to put a pre-order down for but the main thing about Xbox One had going for it was the snap feature. I was hopeful I could snap a game and snap another app at the same time, as I don't watch that much TV (and it's unlikely to have good TV integration in the UK on launch) this feature is not really useful to me (not saying it's a bad thing it's just not made for me).
It seems like none of the nice to have console features are for me.
The fact that the PS4 is more powerful on paper (better GPU and faster RAM), is more open to indies and cheaper is making me lean more towards that console.
I am still considering which console to put a pre-order down for but the main thing about Xbox One had going for it was the snap feature. I was hopeful I could snap a game and snap another app at the same time, as I don't watch that much TV (and it's unlikely to have good TV integration in the UK on launch) this feature is not really useful to me (not saying it's a bad thing it's just not made for me).
It seems like none of the nice to have console features are for me.
The fact that the PS4 is more powerful on paper (better GPU and faster RAM), is more open to indies and cheaper is making me lean more towards that console.
You wanted to snap a game while playing a game?
You can snap Skype, IE and Twitch to a game or anything that comes in via HDMI-in. They demoed it with a game and live-TV.
Uno Venova
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I thought his point was attacking the poster instead of any points raised, but whatever.
Can Crusher
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Pretty damning. It basically lays it down as xboxone buyers buying 300$ worth of console hardware at 499$ dollars because of Kinect.
SillyEskimo
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Yup. It's not about where they've come from or where they're headed. It's about right now.
miDnIghtEr20C
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Why are there so many Sony fans (or so it seems from reading this thread) that are so angry in an Xbox thread?
Wow.
Kinect costs nearly as much as the console itself to make? Just another massive black eye here. That money could have been invested elsewhere in the hardware to be more beneficial to games and gamers. I'm sorry, but kinect will still be looked down upon by many, and most likely it will bring nothing game changing to how games are played. That cost could have put it on par with the PS4 perhaps hardware wise. Instead it made them put out a console that's less powerful and $100 more expensive over an IR gimmick.
Amazing they actually said they're outclassed by the PS4.
Now I'd start worrying about MS pulling the plug early and releasing new hardware much-much sooner than expected.
Kinect costs nearly as much as the console itself to make? Just another massive black eye here. That money could have been invested elsewhere in the hardware to be more beneficial to games and gamers. I'm sorry, but kinect will still be looked down upon by many, and most likely it will bring nothing game changing to how games are played. That cost could have put it on par with the PS4 perhaps hardware wise. Instead it made them put out a console that's less powerful and $100 more expensive over an IR gimmick.
Amazing they actually said they're outclassed by the PS4.
Now I'd start worrying about MS pulling the plug early and releasing new hardware much-much sooner than expected.
statham
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It could also mean they could drop a bomb and release a kinect-less version for $299
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