Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.

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LCGeek said:
Cause most of gaf and net who understand speculation or theory would like more proof. One detail doesn't make up for what I had last time or what others in better positions than me would have. Look how off people were the last 2 gens. This reddit rumor is legit but not context which is why I put up that red flag in a topic that basically is skyrocketing much quicker than other nintendo pre launch spec wars.

So I mentioned one detail I knew and that's why I'm skeptical. Nintendo either upgraded from what I was told or there's some bs'ing. Don't think I'm inherently hyping it I'm saying no way a lowball spec can do the rumored performance. There's also the problem of bottlenecking. I don't know how supposed people didn't catch this. You need a good cpu to feed 7870/7950 that would have to do grunt work with little performance issues, and then you would need polaris or higher gcn tech to do the job. Hypothetically what people are saying from my perspective is with a shit cpu that nintendo is gonna put in a GPU as good as that to somehow makeup for the shit cpu that is needed to get ports working if they move on from BC in the manner said rumors describe. People in to emulation know why there are holes in certain rumors. Nintendo, could easily make performance in other places and get there. AMD chips fx4300 is a decent minimum too if we are talking smooth ports or ones devs want to spend time on. I don't buy this rumor knowing that piece of info. Cpu has to be good somewhere in that range and its not unreasonable outside of what people mention which is form. Nintendo usually is more impressive in this area than we give them credit so we can wait and see as usual. Low level apis have proved themselves so the real issue to me are tools that make the difference between a tomb raider patch and ashes of singluarity showing an i3 can keep up a processor a couple hundred more bucks more than it. We are in magical time I want to know the spells. People were laughing at MisterX, for good reason. He was right about apis he just needed a more balanced setup to show they could offset quite a bit. Is nintendo game, we will find out so start that countdown?

Welcome to negoaf megaton or megadud, it's spring time and there's no better way to start it than to throw down with a bit a love.
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Quality throw down, thanks Geek!

All of this has thrown me for a loop (who am I kidding, controller thread already did that). I wasn't expecting over PS4 in any category, so this, to me, is I guess good news. But it does leave me with many questions.

Why would Nintendo have gone x86 over ARM in console? Would an ARM SoC by AMD have been more custom and more expensive? Nintendo going cheap again even at the expense of their own cross development? Most of the techies here were pinning their hopes on the Cortex A72 cores to save the day.

Zen seems unlikely as well, going by these reports (not that it was ever likely to begin with), especially since I would hope that such a chip would reflect a respectable performance bump over similarly configured Jaguar cores. Nintendo are probably rolling in with a 28nm Puma+ clocked slightly higher. The overall architecture will probably be very similar to PS4, but with some wacky RAM solution again. If Nintendo sees CPU as a bottleneck, that could give them the excuse to shave off a few shader cores as well. Disc drive is anyone's guess. Different CPUs leaves you wondering about physical cross compatibility standard.

If these reports are true, they leave you wondering what Nintendo's handheld solution is going to be. I suppose the savings by going w/ discreet hardware was enough to warrant an essentially multiplatform approach for the OS. How efficient is this software abstraction layer going to be? Is it some offshoot of Linux? Argh, too many questions...
 
The mods are going to go back on an NX topic lock spree with the level of discussion going on

Seriously NX has to be the most stale topic of all time at this point
 
Fourth Storm said:
Quality throw down, thanks Geek!

All of this has thrown me for a loop (who am I kidding, controller thread already did that). I wasn't expecting over PS4 in any category, so this, to me, is I guess good news. But it does leave me with many questions.

Why would Nintendo have gone x86 over ARM in console? Would an ARM SoC by AMD have been more custom and more expensive? Nintendo going cheap again even at the expense of their own cross development? Most of the techies here were pinning their hopes on the Cortex A72 cores to save the day.

Zen seems unlikely as well, going by these reports (not that it was ever likely to begin with), especially since I would hope that such a chip would reflect a respectable performance bump over similarly configured Jaguar cores. Nintendo are probably rolling in with a 28nm Puma+ clocked slightly higher. The overall architecture will probably be very similar to PS4, but with some wacky RAM solution again. If Nintendo sees CPU as a bottleneck, that could give them the excuse to shave off a few shader cores as well. Disc drive is anyone's guess. Different CPUs leaves you wondering about physical cross compatibility standard.

If these reports are true, they leave you wondering what Nintendo's handheld solution is going to be. I suppose the savings by going w/ discreet hardware was enough to warrant an essentially multiplatform approach for the OS. How efficient is this software abstraction layer going to be? Is it some offshoot of Linux? Argh, too many questions...
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I still am not sure if x86 is confirmed, or even the type. And I still don't see Nintendo using Puma.
 
phanphare said:
power isn't everything, it's only one aspect of the full value proposition
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Yes, which why they should target sweet stop $299 instead (because we know 3rd party games support are not going to like PS4/XB1) so it can have better success rate at this price than another price mistake (unless they have around 10 of their big exclusives releasing for the first year).
 
Good news if NX CPU is noticeably better than PS4 CPU, would be suggestive that the console as a whole is quite a bit better. CPU and RAM are pretty much always the most conservative parts of a Nintendo console in terms of brute power.
 
geordiemp said:
So if this reddit rumour is legit, his 2 posts referring to hardware say 2 important points :

1. X86 architecture

2. He says "The studios that are building / porting to NX only have access to software.

If thats the case, then nobody would know details on the CPU, RAM or GPU if Nintendo are just shipping software ? Is that correct ?

This reddit post conflicts with all other rumours.
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Different rumors, I think.
 
I think we should expect the worst case scenario to be roughly half as powerful as the PS4 with 6GB of DDR3 memory or best case scenario where it's more powerful than the PS4 with 12GB GDDR5 ram. Or maybe something that is just as good as the PS4 is atm
 
Man, if the system can handle games on par with FFXV and Uncharted 4, I'll be pleased as peach. I'm not really bothered by it not being a high end PC powerhouse, honestly. If it can bring out huge, beautiful games with that Nintendo charm, I'm all in.

Just hope that fake NX controller that made the rounds isn't at all accurate. A gimmicky controller that's too far left-field could throw a wrench into everything. The touch screen controller was a neat idea in some regard, but the tech isn't good enough yet, besides which I prefer real buttons.

Bring on the rumors, this is entertaining.
 
Vena said:
Different rumors, I think.
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What I posted was the 'verified' reddit guy rumours, which was 2 posts on reddit.

LC geek said the reddit guy rumours were legit - so LC geek knowing CPU power contradicts the reddit guy saying its sdk software only at the moment.
 
Fourth Storm said:
Quality throw down, thanks Geek!

All of this has thrown me for a loop (who am I kidding, controller thread already did that). I wasn't expecting over PS4 in any category, so this, to me, is I guess good news. But it does leave me with many questions.

Why would Nintendo have gone x86 over ARM in console? Would an ARM SoC by AMD have been more custom and more expensive? Nintendo going cheap again even at the expense of their own cross development? Most of the techies here were pinning their hopes on the Cortex A72 cores to save the day.

Zen seems unlikely as well, going by these reports (not that it was ever likely to begin with), especially since I would hope that such a chip would reflect a respectable performance bump over similarly configured Jaguar cores. Nintendo are probably rolling in with a 28nm Puma+ clocked slightly higher. The overall architecture will probably be very similar to PS4, but with some wacky RAM solution again. If Nintendo sees CPU as a bottleneck, that could give them the excuse to shave off a few shader cores as well. Disc drive is anyone's guess. Different CPUs leaves you wondering about physical cross compatibility standard.

If these reports are true, they leave you wondering what Nintendo's handheld solution is going to be. I suppose the savings by going w/ discreet hardware was enough to warrant an essentially multiplatform approach for the OS. How efficient is this software abstraction layer going to be? Is it some offshoot of Linux? Argh, too many questions...
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Don't think anything in Geeks post suggests x86 (?). Only thing he tells us is that the CPU is noticeably better based on benchmarks, but those benchmarks could be running on a ARM CPU just the same as a x86.
 
If we want to predict power

Just figured out what off the shelf components you can combine in a 300 dollar box at a margin Nintendo usually shoots for

Looks at what the current SOC market offers. You should get somewhat close to whatever the reality is

GAF members in other topics were working out the math awhile ago
 
geordiemp said:
What I posted was the 'verified' reddit guy rumours, which was 2 posts on reddit.

LC geek said the reddit guy rumours were legit - so LC geek knowing CPU power contradicts the reddit guy saying its sdk software only at the moment.
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I don't recall untypedhero saying only SDKs are out, but I could be wrong. A different rumor said nothing but SDKs (Cafe with NX calls/references, which is patently impossible and/or wrong, who was also verified... so make of that what you will) had been sent out and that no one knew hardware.

There's two verified sources on reddit but one of them makes zero sense... and it references the other as if they know each other.

Also I think Geek was referring to ports/current gen games when he said "legit".
 
Guys, I heard the NX would have the latest entries in beloved franchises such as Zelda, Mario and Metroid. Dont worry, Im in the process of being verified by Twitch mods
 
CronoShot said:
This one sounds super fishy.

Some random indie dev already knows the final name for the console? More than 8GB of RAM? Somehow knowing that Nintendo is using UE4 for one of their games?
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Yeah, I thought Nintendo didn't even tell devs the name of the console.
 
Vena said:
I still am not sure if x86 is confirmed, or even the type. And I still don't see Nintendo using Puma.
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Donnie said:
Don't think anything in Geeks post suggests x86 (?). Only thing he tells us is that the CPU is noticeably better based on benchmarks, but those benchmarks could be running on a ARM CPU just the same as a x86.
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I know, just kind of seems like a scenario Nintendo could be taking. There was the separate x86 rumor and then the poster who said something like there are possible pointers to x86 architecture in the NX "dev kit", which is actually just a Wii U dev kit post software update. It sounds like a mess, especially if Nintendo are launching in November. I hope Nintendo's "dream team" of chosen developers have a killer line up planned for those first few months-year.
 
biglittleps said:
Yes, which why they should target sweet stop $299 instead (because we know 3rd party games support are not going to like PS4/XB1) so it can have better success rate at this price than another price mistake (unless they have around 10 of their big exclusives releasing for the first year).
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Yeah that needs to be the sweet sport, or £299 (not sure what the exchange rate is at the moment). Basically going for what the X1 and PS4 are doing at the moment with the option of being flexible with it too. PS4's at the moment are going for £280 here on most websites.
 
Fourth Storm said:
I know, just kind of seems like a scenario Nintendo could be taking. There was the separate x86 rumor and then the poster who said something like there are possible pointers to x86 architecture in the NX "dev kit", which is actually just a Wii U dev kit post software update. It sounds like a mess, especially if Nintendo are launching in November. I hope Nintendo's "dream team" of chosen developers have a killer line up planned for those first few months-year.
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Are you implying this based on the "leak" in here that said that the WSJ did report false things?
I wouldn't trust that one, imo that one tries hard to be negative just for the sake of being negativ, and i'd think that WSJ does have some valid sources in the market.
 
MK_768 said:
judging by his post history he just sounds like a Sony fanboy. Best ignore him. He goes to Nintendo threads and just drops a post like that and leaves.
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Hey now

It is my opinion that Nintendo will opt for a PC like system that is easy and quick to develop for. My previous statement refers to the fact that Nintendo is not interested in multiplatform releases at all, and will focus solely (which is why we all love Nintendo here so very much) on their much beloved and well known franchises. Games will be developed in function of whatever crazy control situation we will get, which is what will need to sell the system.

Wii U was a wrong bet, now they will make a new bet.
 
Nintendo should just reverse NEX and pronounce it as "Zen".

The Nintendo Xen to bring back the vitality sensor, now featuring finger massages and sleep enhancers.
 
Ad0ve said:
Guys, I heard the NX would have the latest entries in beloved franchises such as Zelda, Mario and Metroid. Dont worry, Im in the process of being verified by Twitch mods
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I'm know you're being sarcastic, but this is actually a pretty big megaton if it were true.
 
Mr Swine said:
6GB of DDR3 memory or best case scenario where it's more powerful than the PS4 with 12GB GDDR5 ram. Or maybe something that is just as good as the PS4 is atm
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The non-power-of-2 amount might be a hint to LPDDR3/4 which comes in appropriate densities(Samsung catalogue) for an even number of channels.

Or it might not, though there may be similar chip layout & design concerns like with mobile. I'm not sure they'd want a 3rd channel (more space, more power, concerns for future shrink).
 
Fourth Storm said:
I know, just kind of seems like a scenario Nintendo could be taking. There was the separate x86 rumor and then the poster who said something like there are possible pointers to x86 architecture in the NX "dev kit", which is actually just a Wii U dev kit post software update. It sounds like a mess, especially if Nintendo are launching in November. I hope Nintendo's "dream team" of chosen developers have a killer line up planned for those first few months-year.
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But that's a nonsensical scenario. I even asked Blu about it to be sure that it was nonsense, and the only way such a scenario would make sense is if the WiiU was being brought forward to the gen. The Cafe SDK is useless for a completely different kit of hardware regardless of what reference or hooks it may include.

The two rumors are, seemingly, on the same page and at the same time one of them is impossible.
 
Bewildering last leak lol
I didn't even notice it at first buried in that post.
The leaker is dropping one of the most concrete thing we got so far, exceeding expectations and obfuscate it with his rambling, and we're all like yeah, huh ok...

Really, the leading to nx is something.
 
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