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"Next gen system can handle last gen games"
That doesn't sound like something to get excited about. ��

B-But Wii U is last gen so NX is current gen

Spoiler

you know someone will say that

 

[Pokemaniac]

There's a lot of importance placed on making the systems be more straight forward. PS4 and Xbox One went x86, and their future systems will be too. It means not having to relearn everything from scratch every gen, and BC should become a non-issue going forward.

BC will only exist if explicitly supported in software. Now that consoles have actual operating systems, it takes more than just compatible hardware to run old games.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Intel == x86 == lead platform for anything, at least until Samsung and the rest bridge the gap.

Jumping on the x86 bandwagon makes it way more likely to get a port.

That's not definitively true. Apple still uses ARM processors for all their mobile devices and lots of other low power devices use ARM

 

[callsignkrogan]

Good deal. Hopefully we will get a metroid game with the next Gen graphics.

 

[Elfforkusu]

That's not definitively true. Apple still uses ARM processors for all their mobile devices and lots of other low power devices use ARM

I'm talking about videogames. Specifically, AAA videogames.

Yes, low power devices benefit from ARM (well, RISC). Eventually, all single-purpose devices (read: videogame consoles) will benefit from ARM, but Intel's lead on the chip fab side means we aren't there yet.

 

[Regiruler]

That's not definitively true. Apple still uses ARM processors for all their mobile devices and lots of other low power devices use ARM

Are PowerPC consumer PCs still being manufactured?

I'm talking about videogames. Specifically, AAA videogames.

Yes, low power devices benefit from ARM (well, RISC)

It's more difficult to code to the metal on CISC, no?

It'd mean Nintendo would have to recode their proprietaries, and it would take longer than the wii development engines did.

 

[Vena]

No point in wasting more server resources, I've said as much in other nintendo topics when the subject comes up. It's all speculation and me confirming a power envelope or where one part of the devices is doesn't make up all that much compared tow hat people want.

When I see rumors talking about easy ports and 1080p/60fps performance with no context I tend to get a little weary.

Better tech types can easily explain why a system that has a gpu above amd 7850 might want a better cpu, cause bottlenecking will happen quickly as they go up in gpu power if they use anything better. I say this in my experiencing having amd 7950/7970 I'm replacing for 970 as they come cheap. Don't care if it's console or pc you aren't feeding that kind of amd gpu a weak cpu and getting something that is going to trounce a PS4 or do 1080p/60fps high end PS4 titles or whatever the hell I was reading as this doesn't even happen with pc ports with far more power at times. This rumor is BS'ing something or nintendo has some magic, what does history tell any of you.

I genuinely have no idea what rumors you're referring to right now. Aside from the IndieGamerGirl who has, ostensibly, said nothing more than what you have, we've actually had next to zero credible power rumors of any kind.

The only contentious point between what you're saying and what IndieGamerGirl said was about development ease, which comes down to the SDK of which no one has said much of anything.

That being said, what you've told us does seem to be at strong odds with the reddit rumors themselves, though.

 

[Nanashrew]

BC will only exist if explicitly supported in software. Now that consoles have actual operating systems, it takes more than just compatible hardware to run old games.

Well I hope that software support is there as we move into an iterative console future.

 

[RootCause]

B-But Wii U is last gen so NX is current gen

Spoiler

you know someone will say that

I c what you did thur. 😏

BC is nice, but if we start getting too many Xbox/ps4 ports I'll be seriously disappointed.

 

[LordOcidax]

I predicted something like this almost one year ago. Still believe in this idea.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166013314&postcount=961

 

[10k]

Wait, Shocking Alberto is banned?

what for?

For saying he was told that the pics of the leaked NX controller were real and then days later it was revealed they were completely fake, demonstrating he knows nothing. That faked NX controller leaked weeded out a lot of fake insiders.

 

[LCGeek]

I'm at kind of lost about what rumors you are talking about. None has leaked any kind of performance ballparks, until you did.

Really did a simple google search and found what I was looking for.

This rumor has quite a bit of stink from ones like these Just people have upped the ante, forgive me if the reddit didn't get specific but that abstract isn't always true be it 900p or 1080p about ports. It's false it will become very false once certain devs try to make certain games again as well. If they want to talk they easily could just name a game and most of us will have a clear idea but they aren't and for good reason.

 

[QaaQer]

we've actually had next to zero credible power rumors of any kind.

.

There is nothing except some patents and a bunch of boring people pretending to be something they aren't.

 

[OmegaFax]

I guess it's worth asking even though it's speculation ... is Nintendo going to design NX with game broadcasting in mind? For instance, Twitch, YouTube, or Ustream? The PS4 can do either broadcasting in 720p60, Share Play, or Remote Play but only one at a time. I'd imagine they'd make the NX at least on par with the PS4.

 

[MrCunningham]

So backwards compatibility is there? That's nice at least.

"Can handle ports of current-gen games."

If a Wii-U game has to be ported over to the NX, then that means the NX will not be backwards compatible with the Wii-U at all. Expect remasters of Wii-U titles on NX.

This is not a surprise though and something that I always saw coming. I think it is a good thing too that Nintendo is finally getting rid of the cruft of PowerPC and moving on. If they have a set of development tools that will make porting Wii-U games an easy task, then that should be a good thing.

 

[Lonely1]

Really did a simple google search and found what I was looking for.

This rumor has quite a bit of stink from ones like these Just people have upped the ante, forgive me if the reddit didn't get specific but that abstract isn't always true be it 900p or 1080p about ports. It's false it will become very false once certain devs try to make certain games again as well. If they want to talk they easily could just name a game and most of us will have a clear idea but they aren't and for good reason.

Ah, the 900p 60fps thing. Many of us pointed that that was an useless bit of info without a game attached to it.

 

[Vena]

Really did a simple google search and found what I was looking for.

This rumor has quite a bit of stink from ones like these Just people have upped the ante, forgive me if the reddit didn't get specific but that abstract isn't always true be it 900p or 1080p about ports. It's false it will become very false once certain devs try to make certain games again as well. If they want to talk they easily could just name a game and most of us will have a clear idea but they aren't and for good reason.

To be fair, we dismissed stuff like that as nonsense when it came up.

Of the corroborated information about all we have is some info from Matt on the handheld/screen of a thing, the existence of NDAs, the potential presence of BGE2, that some SDKs/DKs went out last year (probably in Japan), and that the NX is probably a thing that exists.

Anything and everything else has generally been dismissed aside from the 3D Printed controller shenanigans. And we have had next to zero actual information on specs aside from very vague, potentially low-powered "rumors" from outside sources that have had some traction. This is why I said that most of us have, for the longest time, been operating under extremely pessimistic or low-balled expectations and you've actually given us rather... surprising information at least as far as the CPU of the system goes.

 

[Justice_Bolt]

I'm OK with this if the NX is just a little more powerful than a ps4. Of course, more power would be better. I expected NX to be on par with Xbox one, so yeah.

 

[James Scott]

I don't think BC is important enough anymore to hamper the system with.
I think they should do what they did with the DS on Wii U and have a VC for the 3DS on the new systems and just port key Wii U titles to NX.
Emulation for last gen systems and Wii u is still a bit tricky and likely not worth it for Wii U since the library is great but not very big.
Just get Tantalus, Grezzo, and monster to port some titles

 

[Nanashrew]

I guess it's worth asking even though it's speculation ... is Nintendo going to design NX with game broadcasting in mind? For instance, Twitch, YouTube, or Ustream? The PS4 can do either broadcasting in 720p60, Share Play, or Remote Play but only one at a time. I'd imagine they'd make the NX at least on par with the PS4.

I actually do hope those services will be there. I'd finally make some use out of my Twitch account outside of just modding other people's chats.

I don't have capture devices cause they're incredibly expensive :C

 

[Laughing Banana]

For saying he was told that the pics of the leaked NX controller were real and then days later it was revealed they were completely fake, demonstrating he knows nothing. That faked NX controller leaked weeded out a lot of fake insiders.

Huh. I never realized he has a reputation as an insider at all in GAF.

 

[Pokemaniac]

Intel == x86 == lead platform for anything, at least until Samsung and the rest bridge the gap.

Jumping on the x86 bandwagon makes it way more likely to get a port.

I expect this to change as TSMC and Samsung catch up (custom hardware will become a more viable thing with Moore's Law dead).

Intel is completely irrelevant in the console space, though. Until such time that they feel like joining again, it is best to just leave them out of the conversation.

Honestly it's one of the reasons x86 isn't a great choice for consoles. You're stuck with with the uncooperative Intel, or the financially shaky and in many ways inferior AMD.

ARM is much more widely available.

Well I hope that software support is there as we move into an iterative console future.

I wouldn't be surprised if support starts getting sketchy down the line. Despite what people say, Windows BC has never really been 100%, and I simply have zero confidence in Sony's software capabilities in general.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

For saying he was told that the pics of the leaked NX controller were real and then days later it was revealed they were completely fake, demonstrating he knows nothing. That faked NX controller leaked weeded out a lot of fake insiders.

He's been on point a couple of times, and I think he said he didn't know it was real so I don't think he's fake.

 

[Elfforkusu]

Intel is completely irrelevant in the console space, though. Until such time that they feel like joining again, it is best to just leave them out of the conversation.

Honestly it's one of the reasons x86 isn't a great choice for consoles. You're stuck with with the uncooperative Intel, or the financially shaky and in many ways inferior AMD.

ARM is much more widely available.

Consoles are just low-power PCs running a custom OS right now. Intel is the lead platform for (presumably) every AAA console game made today. So, basically the opposite of irrelevant.

It's more difficult to code to the metal on CISC, no?

It'd mean Nintendo would have to recode their proprietaries, and it would take longer than the wii development engines did.

Yes, more difficult to code to the metal. Optimize the critical path + trust the compiler everywhere else == still kick ARM's ass right now.

 

[Lonely1]

I wouldn't be surprised if support starts getting sketchy down the line. Despite what people say, Windows BC has never really been 100%, and I simply have zero confidence in Sony's software capabilities in general.

PSOne games on PS4!?

Consoles are just low-power PCs running a custom OS right now. Intel is the lead platform for (presumably) every AAA console game made today.

Huh? Neither console have Intel CPUs.

 

[LCGeek]

To be fair, we dismissed stuff like that as nonsense when it came up.

Of the corroborated information about all we have is some info from Matt on the handheld/screen of a thing, the existence of NDAs, the potential presence of BGE2, that some SDKs/DKs went out last year (probably in Japan), and that the NX is probably a thing that exists.

Anything and everything else has generally been dismissed aside from the 3D Printed controller shenanigans. And we have had next to zero actual information on specs aside from very vague, potentially low-powered "rumors" from outside sources that have had some traction. This is why I said that most of us have, for the longest time, been operating under extremely pessimistic or low-balled expectations and you've actually given us rather... surprising information at least as far as the CPU of the system goes.

Already said sorry about the generalization quite few post ago. Nor is it inherently just about gaf but this nasty crap I see either in searches or other popular forums. The idea it can just handle ports is dangerous and glad to see others feel as much.

 

[Nanashrew]

Consoles are just low-power PCs running a custom OS right now. Intel is the lead platform for (presumably) every AAA console game made today.

I don't believe any console manufacturer wants to deal with intel. Even the jaguar CPU's in Xbox One and PS4 are from AMD.

 

[Elfforkusu]

Huh? Neither console have Intel CPUs.

I don't believe any console manufacturer wants to deal with intel. Even the jaguar CPU's in Xbox One and PS4 are from AMD.

I'm saying PC is the lead platform.

 

[MK_768]

He's been on point a couple of times, and I think he said he didn't know it was real so I don't think he's fake.

He said that his source more or less confirmed the controller leak. He did hedge his bets but i was inferred that he was confirming them as real.

It was a clear attention seeking post.

 

[lwilliams3]

This thread is a bit weird

1) LCGeek is generally negative about what he heard about the specs of the NX's CPU in that it's "only" moderately more powerful than the ones found in the XB1/PS4. Most posters are expecting way less, though, so they are generally happy about that.

2) The PS4K will focus on GPU upgrades instead of the CPU (like iPad 2 vs the original Retina display iPad) , so I wouldn't expect it to be dramatically stronger than what the original have.

3) It wouldn't be wise for Nintendo to play the specs game compared to having a good price and awesome unique features to stand out.

 

[MADGAME]

I haven't read every page of this thread and I'm sure this has been covered, but I hope the machine isn't eclipsed by the upcoming iterations of it's competitors. Even if so I will personally enjoy a Nintendo machine with around the same power as the PS4, but hope they really beef it up. Looking forward to official info.

For saying he was told that the pics of the leaked NX controller were real and then days later it was revealed they were completely fake, demonstrating he knows nothing. That faked NX controller leaked weeded out a lot of fake insiders.

He said that his source more or less confirmed the controller leak. He did hedge his bets but i was inferred that he was confirming them as real.

It was a clear attention seeking post.

Wow not cool, I wasn't a fan of the fake controller troll event but at least it shook out people like that. Was the controller faker banned too?

 

[Malus]

I haven't read every page of this thread and I'm sure this has been covered, but I hope the machine isn't eclipsed by the upcoming iterations of it's competitors. Even if so I will personally enjoy a Nintendo machine with around the same power as the PS4, but hope they really beef it up. Looking forward to official info.




Wow not cool, I wasn't a fan of the fake controller troll event but at least it shook out people like that. Was the controller faker banned too?

I believe the exact response from the mods to whether or not the faker was banned was "Oh goodness no, of course not."

 

[MK_768]

Wow not cool, I wasn't a fan of the fake controller troll event but at least it shook out people like that. Was the controller faker banned too?

I dont think so. No reason for him to be banned though. He never posted the picture here. He posted it on reddit and someone else posted it here.

 

[MADGAME]

I believe the exact response from the mods to whether or not the faker was banned was "Oh goodness no, of course not."

I dont think so. No reason for him to be banned though. He never posted the picture here. He posted it on reddit and someone else posted it here.

I see, thank you for the information!

 

[Omnistalgic]

Hopefully Nintendo does something big. Even speculating about there hardware is not interesting IMO. Two gens, over a decade of "doing our own thing" has left me kinda sour of Nintendo hardware. Still one of the best software makers in the industry though. But have to wait for official stuff for any type of hype meter to activate.

 

[Vena]

Already said sorry about the generalization quite few post ago. Nor is it inherently just about gaf but this nasty crap I see either in searches or other popular forums. The idea it can just handle ports is dangerous and glad to see others feel as much.

As I said, we're not actually going at you (well some might be for your tone). I was just explaining our position here and that you've brought us (surprisingly) positive news based on our rather reserved expectations, haha.

 

[emag]

That's not definitively true. Apple still uses ARM processors for all their mobile devices and lots of other low power devices use ARM

Apple is way ahead of everyone else in ARM design and they don't license their custom designs to anyone. In any case, no one has desktop level ARM processors that can compete with x86-64 chips, nor much incentive to create any (except possibly Apple, but definitely not for licensing in 2016).

 

[Josh5890]

Well on the bright side we are at most 71 days away from getting concrete NX info.

 

[Neoxon]

Well on the bright side we are at most 71 days away from getting concrete NX info.

You think we'll be left in the dark until E3?

 

[Pinky]

My God... NX being more powerful than PS4? Can it really be?

3D Mario
Metroid
Xenoblade
Smash Bros
Zelda

All running on that kind of hardware...








C'mon, Nintendo! Surprise the shit out of us!

 

[Ninferno]

This makes too much sense that it's not going to happen...

Regarding BC, my WiiU is working just fine, why on earth would I want the NX to be limited by BC and hampers its 3rd party current-gen portability? Screw BC, give me X86 so that I can play 3rd party AAA blockbusters (hopefully, if NX does reach the critical mass this time around) and Nintendo games, on one machine. The WiiU bombed, which means people don't care about WiiU games enough. In that case, what good will WiiU BC do to NX? Next to nothing.

 

[10k]

I haven't read every page of this thread and I'm sure this has been covered, but I hope the machine isn't eclipsed by the upcoming iterations of it's competitors. Even if so I will personally enjoy a Nintendo machine with around the same power as the PS4, but hope they really beef it up. Looking forward to official info.




Wow not cool, I wasn't a fan of the fake controller troll event but at least it shook out people like that. Was the controller faker banned too?

Banned? He got an awesome tag for it after showing how he did it.

http://m.neogaf.com/member.php?u=135492

Well on the bright side we are at most 71 days away from getting concrete NX info.

You think we'll be left in the dark until E3?

Nope, there's gonna be info at the end of April. Maybe even an announcement of the reveal event.

 

[Nanashrew]

Well, we don't know anything about the GPU or RAM or a lot of things. We just know the CPU is a bit more powerful/faster than the Xbox One and PS4 which is great news in itself because no one at all expected that.

 

[Neoxon]

My PS4 is already a fighting game machine. It the NX (Console) is more powerful than the PS4, I may have little reason for the PS4 to get extra use than it's already getting.....besides exclusives like Persona & Uncharted, of course.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Well, we don't know anything about the GPU or RAM or a lot of things. We just know the CPU is a bit more powerful/faster than the Xbox One and PS4 which is great news in itself because no one at all expected that.

Rumors... we all love them. No one should take them seriously. All rumors will be colors in the wind soon enough.

But as always, you should never expect the expected from Nintendo, there is always a different color.

 

[Josh5890]

You think we'll be left in the dark until E3?

I said at most

Honestly I can't see Nintendo waiting until May before giving us something. The leaks are really closing in.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Nintendo changing the logo to the new red tells me we're getting NX info way before E3!

I'm getting more and more excited. It's all building up to NX.

 

[MrCunningham]

My God... NX being more powerful than PS4? Can it really be?

If AMD is supplying the hardware for the NX, then it would be very easy for them to develop an APU for Nintendo that could out perform the PS4 at a reasonable price. They already have something more powerful lined up for the PS4K. Though I would't expect the NX to have 8GB of GDDR5 in the machine, knowing them they would probably go with something cheaper like DDR4... possibly 8GB, or maybe even 12.

 

[-Horizon-]

I still optimistically think we'll hear something this month.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Rumors... we all love them. No one should take them seriously. All rumors will be colors in the wind soon enough.

But as always, you should never expect the expected from Nintendo, there is always a different color.

I love Pocahontas.