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Yep, about that demo I thinknepic said they tailored it for the ps5 and to use its advantages, that's why I don't think it will show up anywhere else in that form. Because that's what tailoring for a console means, just like a demo tailored for the Xb1 would run worse on a ps4. It's easier to think they would just lie for 250 millions when it would make much more sense to develop and show off the possibilities of the specific console. If they showed a demo tailored for the xsx it would've ran worse on the ps5 too, it is for the exact same reason that 1st parties almost always look better than 3rd parties.
 
Yep, about that demo I thinknepic said they tailored it for the ps5 and to use its advantages, that's why I don't think it will show up anywhere else in that form. Because that's what tailoring for a console means, just like a demo tailored for the Xb1 would run worse on a ps4. It's easier to think they would just lie for 250 millions when it would make much more sense to develop and show off the possibilities of the specific console. If they showed a demo tailored for the xsx it would've ran worse on the ps5 too, it is for the exact same reason that 1st parties almost always look better than 3rd parties.

I dont think they have lied at any point they just haven't said everything, they said the demo was only possible with the advancements made by sony, now that doesn't mean the advancements made by Microsoft wouldnt run it. Have to remember it was being talked about when it was the first thing to be shown running on ps5.

the demo ran at 1440p and 30fps which we know both consoles are more capable of, there has also been no talk of how much data or how fast the data was streamed at any given point. Like i said its important with what's not been talked about

the demo is impressive and a great show for PS5
 
I dont think they have lied at any point they just haven't said everything, they said the demo was only possible with the advancements made by sony, now that doesn't mean the advancements made by Microsoft wouldnt run it. Have to remember it was being talked about when it was the first thing to be shown running on ps5.

the demo ran at 1440p and 30fps which we know both consoles are more capable of, there has also been no talk of how much data or how fast the data was streamed at any given point. Like i said its important with what's not been talked about

the demo is impressive and a great show for PS5
Yeah sure but what I mean was more that it was made specifically for the ps5, so it is logical tha it would run better on it.
And the point of the demo was not really to show the power of the GPU but more their geometry culling and global illumination technology,The culling worked really well with the ps5 SSD.
And a demo made specifically for the XSX would take better advantage of the raw GPU power.
 
Yeah sure but what I mean was more that it was made specifically for the ps5, so it is logical tha it would run better on it.
And the point of the demo was not really to show the power of the GPU but more their geometry culling and global illumination technology,The culling worked really well with the ps5 SSD.
And a demo made specifically for the XSX would take better advantage of the raw GPU power.

The talk at the time was how the demo could only run because of the power of the SSD which is a bit of PR talk from the sony fans and all what you mentioned they said would run on all platforms. We will never know how it would run on pc or xbox as they will never show it but we know games will run virtually on par on unreal 5 across all platforms
 
Alright guys now that I ignored the problematic individual in this thread I have a question, why would we still believe the guy when he has been proven wrong ? Not specifically about xbox but about a lot of things.
I think mesh shader will help provide better looking games though.
Will it be better than what sony has cooked in its geometry engine I don't think anybody can tell yet.
There is no point of believing him, but it is same with other insiders, seems that most of them are just collecting rumours online and re-package these to get more clicks/views...having said that this thread is interesting as RGT was very pro-Sony until that rdna3 gate and was quoted countless times by team blue
 
The talk at the time was how the demo could only run because of the power of the SSD which is a bit of PR talk from the sony fans and all what you mentioned they said would run on all platforms. We will never know how it would run on pc or xbox as they will never show it but we know games will run virtually on par on unreal 5 across all platforms
I never said it can't run on a pc nor on xbox, just that it seems logical that a demo specifically tailored to a console run better on said console.But that point can be made about anything,take Halo MCC and try to run it on a PC with the same specs as an Xb1 or a 1X it will be awful.That's as simple as that I'm not saying the UE5 technologies won't work on xsx or PC,because of course it will work but not this demo,just like horizon would run like crap on a pc specced like a ps4 would run like crap.
 
RedTechGaming: this video explains why in the near term xbox performance will increase enormously due to maturing drivers and exclusive hardware features

Neogaf fanboys:
Pretend video was talking about ps5,
Post year old unrelated tweets,
Claim they never believe RedTechGaming anyway

Rememeber when Xbox Fanboys hated RTG because he claimed a bunch of nonsense that was positive for PS5 that ended up being false?

Yet now you are hanging on to this latest clickbait video about tools and mesh shaders? The guy is an absolute clown and belongs to stay in his underground dungeon with no sunlight.
 
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I never said it can't run on a pc nor on xbox, just that it seems logical that a demo specifically tailored to a console run better on said console.But that point can be made about anything,take Halo MCC and try to run it on a PC with the same specs as an Xb1 or a 1X it will be awful.That's as simple as that I'm not saying the UE5 technologies won't work on xsx or PC,because of course it will work but not this demo,just like horizon would run like crap on a pc specced like a ps4 would run like crap.

I get what your saying and it would need to be tailored to xbox as much as they did to PS5 but am sure it can run great on most formats
 
There is no point of believing him, but it is same with other insiders, seems that most of them are just collecting rumours online and re-package these to get more clicks/views...having said that this thread is interesting as RGT was very pro-Sony until that rdna3 gate and was quoted countless times by team blue
Exactly and I understand the people turning its back to him since he lost credibility.
This gen has been awfully quiet with the leaks, do you remember the ps4/xb1 gen leaks?They were everywhere.
We miss you cboat.
 
Rememeber when Xbox Fanboys hated RTG because he claimed a bunch of nonsense that was positive for PS5 that ended up being false?

Yet now you are hanging on to this latest clickbait video about tools and mesh shaders? The guy is an absolute clown and belongs to stay in his underground dungeon with no sunlight.
in 10+ years is the first time I agree with you
 
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I get what your saying and it would need to be tailored to xbox as much as they did to PS5 but am sure it can run great on most formats
Yeah it would, it was the other guy who claimed I said it would run or at 15 fps which is totally stupid. Like those PR claims at the start of ps4 and xb1 gen with x or y console would melt doing this...
 
Yeah it would, it was the other guy who claimed I said it would run or at 15 fps which is totally stupid. Like those PR claims at the start of ps4 and xb1 gen with x or y console would melt doing this...

Dont get me wrong awesome PR by sony and very clever hiding the investment into epic till a week or two after the event. The press had printed and spoke about the PR quotes. Imagine the difference in questions aimed at it if they were clear about the investment befor the event
 
Dont get me wrong awesome PR by sony and very clever hiding the investment into epic till a week or two after the event. The press had printed and spoke about the PR quotes. Imagine the difference in questions aimed at it if they were clear about the investment befor the event
Was it only PR though ? Because the demo looked awesome ain't that what really matters for most people ? Especially how bad the press has been for this gen, it feels more like a sjw congregate than journalism.
 
Was it only PR though ? Because the demo looked awesome ain't that what really matters for most people ? Especially how bad the press has been for this gen, it feels more like a sjw congregate than journalism.


It's PR that it could only run on the PS5 which seems to have got a lot of sony warriors convinced it could. It's Unreal 5 engine a engine that's designed to go across pc and consoles, as i said previously its been very quiet about the demo since it was shown. I am guessing if they released some stats like how much data was streamed how big the file sizer on the demo was there maybe a few people surprised.

the demo was very good but also saying Pc couldn't do it when you can have supper fast SSD's in there and much better cpu and Gpu and also mountains of ram was also a bit silly to say
 
It's PR that it could only run on the PS5 which seems to have got a lot of sony warriors convinced it could. It's Unreal 5 engine a engine that's designed to go across pc and consoles, as i said previously its been very quiet about the demo since it was shown. I am guessing if they released some stats like how much data was streamed how big the file sizer on the demo was there maybe a few people surprised.

the demo was very good but also saying Pc couldn't do it when you can have supper fast SSD's in there and much better cpu and Gpu and also mountains of ram was also a bit silly to say
But according to a fanboy here they never said it couldn't run on other platforms ? I can understand saying it wouldn't look as good until x times, because that's logical, what I disagree with is the people saying it wasn't useful to have a great ssd for this demo, ignoring compression access speed times etc...
You are right we don't have data, but we do have the word of their CEO that corroborate that.
 
But according to a fanboy here they never said it couldn't run on other platforms ? I can understand saying it wouldn't look as good until x times, because that's logical, what I disagree with is the people saying it wasn't useful to have a great ssd for this demo, ignoring compression access speed times etc...
You are right we don't have data, but we do have the word of their CEO that corroborate that.

Yeah but its what he isn't saying that speaks volumes, as i said we dont have any stats.how much data was needed at any one time or how much was preloaded. How far did it push the PS5 in terms of using the SSD because we know with everything else xbox has a more powerful Gpu and PC can scale upwards depending on cpu gpu and memory.

i think Sweeny was very specific in what he said, i mean do you expect Pc to run worse that Ps5 with top a fast SSD and a powerful CPU? As you said there were optimisations specific to PS5 but that doesn't mean they couldn't be optimised for other platforms to run just as good if not better
 
I don't believe rgt and never was, however Mesh shaders is something which is also (most likely) in modified Sony Geometry Engine, no?

At least we have this video:



So it exists...
 
Yeah but its what he isn't saying that speaks volumes, as i said we dont have any stats.how much data was needed at any one time or how much was preloaded. How far did it push the PS5 in terms of using the SSD because we know with everything else xbox has a more powerful Gpu and PC can scale upwards depending on cpu gpu and memory.

i think Sweeny was very specific in what he said, i mean do you expect Pc to run worse that Ps5 with top a fast SSD and a powerful CPU? As you said there were optimisations specific to PS5 but that doesn't mean they couldn't be optimised for other platforms to run just as good if not better
Yeah sure but I know optimisation goes way farther on consoles, I think that a pc with the latest gpu and ssd can do it, but there may be some differences due tobthe exotic nature of consoles, that would've been true with a specific ue5 demo tailored for xsx too. Because I can't say if it would be better on others since we don't know the extent of those specificities. But I am enclined to believe Tim Sweeney public statement there. More than any random online member here.
 
I don't believe rgt and never was, however Mesh shaders is something which is also (most likely) in modified Sony Geometry Engine, no?

At least we have this video:



So it exists...

Yep now all that remain is to see is how the custom sony solution fare against the standard rdna2 solution.
 
Yeah sure but I know optimisation goes way farther on consoles, I think that a pc with the latest gpu and ssd can do it, but there may be some differences due tobthe exotic nature of consoles, that would've been true with a specific ue5 demo tailored for xsx too. Because I can't say if it would be better on others since we don't know the extent of those specificities. But I am enclined to believe Tim Sweeney public statement there. More than any random online member here.

i have never said Sweeny has lied in anyway its just the stuff he hasn't said, i mean he has never said this couldn't be done on xbox, also do you think if there were stats to show it was only able to be done at that spec on PS5 they would be shouting it from the rooftops and providing Data for it to back it up?

its the Vagueness that's left us all questioning it, in terms of SSD we have shown that the Xbox's isnt that far behind in the real world when loading games and not noticeable ( so far ) in any gameplay on multiplats so far
 
i have never said Sweeny has lied in anyway its just the stuff he hasn't said, i mean he has never said this couldn't be done on xbox, also do you think if there were stats to show it was only able to be done at that spec on PS5 they would be shouting it from the rooftops and providing Data for it to back it up?

its the Vagueness that's left us all questioning it, in terms of SSD we have shown that the Xbox's isnt that far behind in the real world when loading games and not noticeable ( so far ) in any gameplay on multiplats so far
Yeah on multiplats but it hasn't shown anything similar to what we've seen in demon souls or Spiderman.So yeah until then it remains to be seen.

Even in Nioh 2 ps5 version you can see the gains and it is multiplatform.
 
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Yeah on multiplats but it hasn't shown anything similar to what we've seen in demon souls or Spiderman.So yeah until then it remains to be seen.


At the same time we haven't seen what sort of data is being done by those games, are they using the full 6gb of speed or not. They are impressive in what they do. No denying that and yeah it does impress me a lot.
 
At the same time we haven't seen what sort of data is being done by those games, are they using the full 6gb of speed or not. They are impressive in what they do. No denying that and yeah it does impress me a lot.
Yeah I do think this gen, once we get rid of crossgen games, will get so much better concerning loading times. They were a chore from the cd era until now.
 
Yeah I do think this gen, once we get rid of crossgen games, will get so much better concerning loading times. They were a chore from the cd era until now.

One thing i will say in terms of Xbox is the quick resunme feature is like seconds to load the game from previous state. While not the same as lets say Spider-Man in terms of comparason its near instantainious in loading when i have done it. ASSasins creed and other games. If the game is online game like Fortnite for rocket league its normal loading
 
One thing i will say in terms of Xbox is the quick resunme feature is like seconds to load the game from previous state. While not the same as lets say Spider-Man in terms of comparason its near instantainious in loading when i have done it. ASSasins creed and other games. If the game is online game like Fortnite for rocket league its normal loading
Yep that is a good example of the difference in philosophy both have.
Ms chose quick resume and sony the card system and it is something that show in how they built their console. It was an interesting talk with you but it is time for me to hit the bed (that fucker provoked me) but I will answer your response tomorrow (if you don't answer don't worry I won't cry... Too much) have a great day or night depending on where you live.
 
Yep that is a good example of the difference in philosophy both have.
Ms chose quick resume and sony the card system and it is something that show in how they built their console. It was an interesting talk with you but it is time for me to hit the bed (that fucker provoked me) but I will answer your response tomorrow (if you don't answer don't worry I won't cry... Too much) have a great day or night depending on where you live.

Yeah good chat without any warring 👍
 
Rememeber when Xbox Fanboys hated RTG because he claimed a bunch of nonsense that was positive for PS5 that ended up being false?

Yet now you are hanging on to this latest clickbait video about tools and mesh shaders? The guy is an absolute clown and belongs to stay in his underground dungeon with no sunlight.

I have made it perfectly clear several times that i am not making any claims .. the quote i put to RedTechGaming .. is what he says at the start of the video... not what im saying is true.

Thats what makes this thing so friken amusing.. that people put so much faith in him before ( i havent lol) and now they are confused as fk.

Its a bit like cboat .. or those ps has more TF rumours all the insiders "confirmed".. or the second xb gpu... its all corporate fanboy bs.

im just in it for the lolz
 
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RedTechGaming: this video explains why in the near term xbox performance will increase enormously due to maturing drivers and exclusive hardware features

Neogaf fanboys:
Pretend video was talking about ps5,
Post year old unrelated tweets,
Claim they never believe RedTechGaming anyway

I exposed your lies and you start complaining. You continued to take his words out of context instead of just admitting you lied. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Dude seriously fucking stop accusing people of lying. That is pure bullshit.

RGT never said it will improve significantly in comparison to the PlayStation 5.

He also never said Mesh Shaders are more advanced than GE. RGT actually said (on twitter) that GT is more adcanged and this is where the RDNA 3 features came in. In the video he said they're different, he never said they're more advanced.

This is not accusations. It's a lie. Period.

If you want to prove to me that it's not a lie, then lets see you timestamp the parts of the video where he makes these claims and you won't be able to find it.
 
Jason Ronald on ML in Series X. Also, I believe when he says "it's beyond". He's referring to Direct ML being used for AI, Super-resolution, and other things.



Full interview:


EDIT: wrong thread...
 
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Jason Ronald on ML in Series X. Also, I believe when he says "it's beyond". He's referring to Direct ML being used for AI, Super-resolution, and other things.
It would be interesting to know at this point, as they have been pushing for a long time the info that they have ADDED hw for machine learning, what specifically. The idea that amd can have (even if it is not performing as DLSS) something that can improve the performance of the console, especially with the hw changes made in the gpu for the ML, combined with the future use of the mesh shader makes the next year's really really interesting to follow
 
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It would be interesting to know at this point, as they have been pushing for a long time the info that they have ADDED hw for machine learning, what specifically. The idea that amd can have (even if it is not performing as DLSS) something that can improve the performance of the console, especially with the hw changes made in the gpu for the ML, combined with the future use of the mesh shader makes the next year's really really interesting to follow

IMO, it's the CU's plus an ML accelerator not found in standard RDNA 2 but I think it's in CDNA2/3.
 
Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem am still waiting for you to provide the quotes or data but you still not provided anything other than memes or lol emojis

You want me to repeat myself? Glad you're not my student. It's all said and done and I don't need to add anything more but to laugh at this circus.

PS: Go read the tweets again, and if you have reading difficulties then that's not my problem.
 
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You want me to repeat myself? Glad you're not my student. It's all said and done and I don't need to add anything more but to laugh at this circus.

PS: Go read the tweets again, and if you have reading difficulties then that's not my problem.
Nothing to repeat I want the quotes of not running on Xbox or data you seem so sure so come on
 
Nothing to repeat I want the quotes of not running on Xbox or data you seem so sure so come on

I'm not here to teach you reading skills, so stop quoting me any further. You said Tim Sweeney is a liar and believed the Chinese guy watching the trailer on Youtube, so nothing more to add.
 
Yep now all that remain is to see is how the custom sony solution fare against the standard rdna2 solution.
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I'm not here to teach you reading skills, so stop quoting me any further. You said Tim Sweeney is a liar and believed the Chinese guy watching the trailer on Youtube, so nothing more to add.

you provided quotes about the PS5 after Sony had paid £250 mill to invest in them but there is no quotes about Xbox so come on let's see them or you hiding them away?

and for reference I have never said sweeny is a liar I said it's important what he hasn't said
 
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