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[azertydu91]

nobody cares about this fake battle on a demo. It doesn't mean people bought Sweeney's excuses on Twitter. And it doesn't even mean that I must begin to believe in donkeys that fly. The demo ran at the presentation on the ps5 at 30fps with that quality shown.Is fantastic! it's ok is really great. period. The engineer said the exact same demo (he never has mentioned the quality of the assets)could ran on a laptop with a Sam 870 ssd and a 2080 with 10 frames advantage over the ps5. He talked about resolution 1440 and 40fps he talked also about cpu usage during the demo. You will understand for yourself (unless you are a computer illiterate) that it is not perfomance info that you would give while playing a video. Especially if given by those who worked on the creation of the demo. I don't want to repeat it another 100 times. Everyone knows that the engineer was right. they know the interview was removed from online because it created problems for Epic in relation to Sony and they know that Sweeney on Twitter acted like someone as soon as he woke up who did not understand what he was talking about.
Of course you are free to believe what you want. But also ask yourself why for the first time an EU tech demo is not released on PC

Says the guy that didn't understand how nanite works...
And he said it was the same quality?like explicitely?
And sure nobody cares about that demo... Except you you seem to care an awful lot about that demo, so much that you feel the need to lie about it to neglect every other evidence and chose a conspiracy and words you didn't understand simply because you have to trust a translation, when Sweeney explicitely debunked that.
I have no problem not talking about that demo I have more problem with your constant FUD and how you never reply to anything, any proof, beside hey it's a conspiracy and that engineer said it.There is evidence it was a video multiple proofs and yet reality doesn't get a hold on you.You are so biased that you can't even see it is already a lost battle.
Now you can move the goalpost, like always.

 

[phil_t98]

I know, you are making a straw-man and since you are making the argument up you might as well answer and provide that proof yourself to yourself. Nobody has argued UE5 has been designed nor that demo not to be able to run on Xbox at all.

no you don't guys have insisted in an Xbox thread that the demo cannot be run the same on Xbox. I am asking for concrete proof which you haven't been able to provide.

mall you can do so far is provide tweets praising the ps5 but no evidence it cannot run on Xbox the same

oh and when you can't prove it you resort to memes or calling people names.

I am happy for you to provide full facts on it not running the same on xbox again I will wait.......

 

[Genx3]

?? What's known is PS5 is said to have removed those features and replaced them with their own using the programmable GE.

Why would they spend R&D time and effort on customising if they didn't think they have a better solution. Would have been easier just to go with off the shelf.

Vrs is already being used on pc & XsX, PS5 GE is yet to be exploited.

Geometry engine and Mesh shaders are not the same thing.

Geometry Engine is the same as Primitive shaders.

 

[Panajev2001a]

But it should be noted that this is the same epic that stood up on stage during the ps3 unveiling and said that the machine was easy to work with. When the reality was far from that

Sure, but I see the settings now a bit different from that one (E3 stage spotlight vs UE5 demo from Epic) and we have seen presentations about the HW in more detail. UE3 had problems ramping up on both consoles (ask D.Dyack for laughs and giggles) and it is even possible that there were some bits they liked as engine makers (GPU tooling by nVIDIA and even the SPU's, regardless of the fact that the easy way to get RSX performance yielded a lot lower ceiling than Xenia did).

Still, I see your point, but not to the extent of being so out to get Epic (that strongly supported the Xbox 360 too in actions as well) as I see some people after 10 years and evidence why what Sweeney is saying sounds reasonable.

 

[Garani]

most important sony studios will never user ue5. never ever . the demo was launch pr

Craig was launch PR as well (sorry, I had to take a jab! LOL!)

 

[Panajev2001a]

no you don't guys have insisted in an Xbox thread that the demo cannot be run the same on Xbox. I am asking for concrete proof which you haven't been able to provide.

You are moving the goalposts here and changing your argument. Are you making a claim about the demo and XSX vs PS5?

 

[Panajev2001a]

most important sony studios will never user ue5. never ever . the demo was launch pr

the question was "What is the engine behind Days Gone?". Does it sound crazy that they could use UE5 in the future ?

 

[phil_t98]

You are moving the goalposts here and changing your argument. Are you making a claim about the demo and XSX vs PS5?

where am I moving the goal posts!? Read back and I have asked for actual evidence that the Xbox cannot run the demo the same, either a direct quote or data that the demo has so much data streamed from the SSD that the Xbox's can't run it.

all you have provided is praise about the ps5 in tweets but nothing about how the Xbox can't run it the same or that it would be scaled down..

nothing I have said has changed , read back and I am consistent but because you or Bo can't provide what I asked for you resort to meme's or Lol emoji's. The fact that both you and Bo are so confident it can't run on Xbox the same I assume you have seen full on quotes on it or have seen full data on it

 

[staticshock]

What a bunch of clickbait and biased information.

The whole "primitive shaders vs mesh shaders" issues comes from those people from Digital Foundry that are not professional developers and barely know what they are talking about.

if that was the case then explain how the Unreal Engine 5 tech demo was running on a PS5 without mesh shaders?


Also does this guy know that Mesh Shaders are a term used by Nvidia and DirectX?

PS5 doesn't have an Nvidia GPU neither is using DirectX.

The demo also didn't ultilize PS5's primitive shaders. That's also a misconception. The demo mainly used old compute shaders. ("The vast majority of triangles are software rasterised using hyper-optimised compute shaders")

I really really really wonder why Sweeney, so inclined to conment on Twitter, doesn't let the demo release on PC as always happens for all UE tech demos. By doing so he would have confirmed what he said and above all confirmed the importance of the I/O. And so we would finally see the high end PCs underperform compared to the Ps5. But I don't think that will ever happen. Who knows why ... / s

ps. we know exactly why

It will in about 3 weeks. They are waiting on DirectStorage for PC to reach W10 Insider Preview. When it does, all this discussion and debate will be rendered mute and we will be able to see whats required to run it and if Xbox can.

1+1 = 2 no matter what.

It will be up to all parties like you, Bo_Hazem and everyone else to accept the facts when that happen and whatever they may be. Three weeks isn't a long time.

 

[Physiognomonics]

The demo also didn't ultilize PS5's primitive shaders. That's also a misconception. The demo mainly used old compute shaders. ("The vast majority of triangles are software rasterised using hyper-optimised compute shaders")



It will in about 3 weeks. They are waiting on DirectStorage for PC to reach W10 Insider Preview. When it does, all this discussion and debate will be rendered mute and we will be able to see whats required to run it and if Xbox can.

1+1 = 2 no matter what.

It will be up to all parties like you, Bo_Hazem and everyone else to accept the facts when that happen and whatever they may be. Three weeks isn't a long time.

Actually it uses both: the software renderer for the micro polygons and the primitive shaders for the bigger polygons.

 

[onesvenus]

The demo also didn't ultilize PS5's primitive shaders. That's also a misconception. The demo mainly used old compute shaders. ("The vast majority of triangles are software rasterised using hyper-optimised compute shaders")



It will in about 3 weeks. They are waiting on DirectStorage for PC to reach W10 Insider Preview. When it does, all this discussion and debate will be rendered mute and we will be able to see whats required to run it and if Xbox can.

1+1 = 2 no matter what.

It will be up to all parties like you, Bo_Hazem and everyone else to accept the facts when that happen and whatever they may be. Three weeks isn't a long time.

What happens in 3 weeks?

 

[oldergamer]

Is that when unreal 5 is released to the public?

 

[Panajev2001a]

where am I moving the goal posts!? Read back and I have asked for actual evidence that the Xbox cannot run the demo the same, either a direct quote or data that the demo has so much data streamed from the SSD that the Xbox's can't run it.

all you have provided is praise about the ps5 in tweets but nothing about how the Xbox can't run it the same or that it would be scaled down..

noth I have said has changed , read back and I am consistent but because you or Bo can't provide what I asked for you resort to meme's or Lol emoji's. The fact that both you and Bo are so confident it can't run on Xbox the same I assume you have seen full on quotes on it or have seen full data on it

Claim of "People are saying Xbox cannot run it at all" vs "People are saying it could not run it" vs "People are saying it could run that demo as well as PS5 did" depending on the time of day.

I do not have proof that XSX could never run that demo at all, not claiming this nor have I been claiming it. I already stated what I claimed on my answer to Leyasu.

You have a piece of tech that is heavily I/O reliant and statements by Epic that highlighted how significant is the push done by Sony in that regard and how the collaboration with Sony convinced them to refactor their I/O code to take advantage of this. Given that you do not want to see XSX lose in any metric in a way that means anything/cannot be trivialised, or so it seems, all of that is explained by either Epic lying/misleading or some other flight of fancy.

Then maybe both MS and Sony made some stupid mistakes to get loud PR points on their side and neither can flex their advantage on the other, have your pick .

 

[ripeavocado]

The demo also didn't ultilize PS5's primitive shaders. That's also a misconception. The demo mainly used old compute shaders. ("The vast majority of triangles are software rasterised using hyper-optimised compute shaders")



It will in about 3 weeks. They are waiting on DirectStorage for PC to reach W10 Insider Preview. When it does, all this discussion and debate will be rendered mute and we will be able to see whats required to run it and if Xbox can.

1+1 = 2 no matter what.

It will be up to all parties like you, Bo_Hazem and everyone else to accept the facts when that happen and whatever they may be. Three weeks isn't a long time.

guess what mesh shaders are?

 

[phil_t98]

Claim of "People are saying Xbox cannot run it at all" vs "People are saying it could not run it" vs "People are saying it could run that demo as well as PS5 did" depending on the time of day.

I do not have proof that XSX could never run that demo at all, not claiming this nor have I been claiming it. I already stated what I claimed on my answer to Leyasu.

The "prove to me they said it cannot run on XSX at all" straw-man argument paired with the "believe the Reddit rumor" and "you believe things without questioning them" (which is rich considering how MS's PR is never questioned if not to assume things might be even better than MS dared to admit) is quite hilarious.

you have have said straw-man argument, you jumped in on a conversation I was having with Bo

you then started putting meme's as reply's when I was saying to him if he so confident that the demo (which he claimed) couldn't run on Xbox same quality , you then jumped in again and again

I am happy you pointed out that you have no evidence it can't run the same so we can move on

 

[Panajev2001a]

you have have said straw-man argument, you jumped in on a conversation I was having with Bo

you then started putting meme's as reply's when I was saying to him if he so confident that the demo (which he claimed) couldn't run on Xbox same quality , you then jumped in again and again

I am happy you pointed out that you have no evidence it can't run the same so we can move on

Not sure what kind of Pyrrhic victory we are celebrating here beyond the "Epic has not directly stated XSX cannot run this demo as well as PS5 did (they did not really comment on XSX much if at all regarding that demo)" point you wanted to score.

The straw-man comment was when you asked for proof the demo could not run at all not if it could run with any modifications and you were going from one argument to the other. The Penny Arcade reference was about XSX PR being "questioned" which I have not seen much if at all on that side of the fence.

 

[Lort]

RedTechGaming: this video explains why in the near term xbox performance will increase enormously due to maturing drivers and exclusive hardware features

Neogaf fanboys:
Pretend video was talking about ps5,
Post year old unrelated tweets,
Claim they never believe RedTechGaming anyway

 

[Panajev2001a]

RedTechGaming: this video explains why in the near term xbox performance will increase enormously due to maturing drivers and exclusive hardware features

Neogaf fanboys:
Pretend video was talking about ps5,
Post year old unrelated tweets,
Claim they never believe RedTechGaming anyway

It is kind of funny how some people went from almost wanting these video banned and called him and MLiD clueless posers essentially then posted this video as soon as it seems to suit their agenda and try to stir up a console warring crap fest. Still trying to get people to bite the bait.

 

[Entroyp]

I've never heard before of a console improving performance over its lifetime. Oh man MS engineers must be geniuses.

 

[Outrunner]

the tools are a lie

also isn4t this the dude from the infinity cache on ps5?

 

[phil_t98]

Not sure what kind of Pyrrhic victory we are celebrating here beyond the "Epic has not directly stated XSX cannot run this demo as well as PS5 did (they did not really comment on XSX much if at all regarding that demo)" point you wanted to score.

The straw-man comment was when you asked for proof the demo could not run at all not if it could run with any modifications and you were going from one argument to the other. The Penny Arcade reference was about XSX PR being "questioned" which I have not seen much if at all on that side of the fence.

So
You won't let it go

again the conversation you jumped in on was about the demo
And Bo was saying that it couldn't run the same on Xbox

what is wrong with asking him for hard facts to back it up?

do you not understand how to back a statement up like that?

where was I claiming any kind of victory?

 

[Panajev2001a]

So
You won't let it go

again the conversation you jumped in on was about the demo
And Bo was saying that it couldn't run the same on Xbox

what is wrong with asking him for hard facts to back it up?

do you not understand how to back a statement up like that?

where was I claiming any kind of victory?

I was talking about your answer to me.

 

[staticshock]

guess what mesh shaders are?

I'm not sure what you are saying. Mesh shaders are not on PS5 and Epic said for the demo they barely used PS5's primitive shaders.

Actually it uses both: the software renderer for the micro polygons and the primitive shaders for the bigger polygons.

No it heavily uses compute shaders and barely used primitive shaders.
Based on what Epic said, we are talking about 90/10 usage here.

"We were also really curious about exactly how geometry is processed, whether Nanite uses a fully software-based raw compute approach (which would work well across all systems, including PC GPUs that aren't certified with the full DirectX 12 Ultimate) or whether Epic taps into the power of mesh shaders, or primitive shaders as Sony describes them for PlayStation 5. The answer is intriguing.

"The vast majority of triangles are software rasterised using hyper-optimised compute shaders specifically designed for the advantages we can exploit," explains Brian Karis. "As a result, we've been able to leave hardware rasterisers in the dust at this specific task. Software rasterisation is a core component of Nanite that allows it to achieve what it does. We can't beat hardware rasterisers in all cases though so we'll use hardware when we've determined it's the faster path. On PlayStation 5 we use primitive shaders for that path which is considerably faster than using the old pipeline we had before with vertex shaders."

 

[phil_t98]

I was talking about your answer to me.

where have I claimed a victory?

 

[Hatsuma]

the question was "What is the engine behind Days Gone?". Does it sound crazy that they could use UE5 in the future ?

This topic has been hilarious read so far and I was just about to post this. Days Gone uses UE4 and they put some customizations into. Days Gone 2 will likely use UE5 and implement their own customizations. With them making even greater I:O optimizations for UE5, the engine will likely yield greater boons for Bend Studio than UE4 did.

 

[Rob_27]

Can we draw a line and continue the topic and stop the shit. He said she said who gives a fuck. Continue the topic or FO.

As you can tell I'm after a mod job. Lol.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I'm not sure what you are saying. Mesh shaders are not on PS5 and Epic said for the demo they barely used PS5's primitive shaders.


No it heavily uses compute shaders and barely used primitive shaders.
Based on what Epic said, we are talking about 90/10 usage here.

"We were also really curious about exactly how geometry is processed, whether Nanite uses a fully software-based raw compute approach (which would work well across all systems, including PC GPUs that aren't certified with the full DirectX 12 Ultimate) or whether Epic taps into the power of mesh shaders, or primitive shaders as Sony describes them for PlayStation 5. The answer is intriguing.

"The vast majority of triangles are software rasterised using hyper-optimised compute shaders specifically designed for the advantages we can exploit," explains Brian Karis. "As a result, we've been able to leave hardware rasterisers in the dust at this specific task. Software rasterisation is a core component of Nanite that allows it to achieve what it does. We can't beat hardware rasterisers in all cases though so we'll use hardware when we've determined it's the faster path. On PlayStation 5 we use primitive shaders for that path which is considerably faster than using the old pipeline we had before with vertex shaders."

Where do those numbers come from? It all depend of the size of the polygons. No all games will look like that U5 demo that was just that: a technical demo.

 

[Nikana]

Can we draw a line and continue the topic and stop the shit. He said she said who gives a fuck. Continue the topic or FO.

As you can tell I'm after a mod job. Lol.

 

[MonarchJT]

oh I finished my working day)) are we still at "the ssd is gpu 2.0 and it will revolutionize the world of computer graphics that in comparison the rtx 3xxx will look like the Amiga sprites" bs or can we go back to talking about Xbox?

 

[MonarchJT]

The demo also didn't ultilize PS5's primitive shaders. That's also a misconception. The demo mainly used old compute shaders. ("The vast majority of triangles are software rasterised using hyper-optimised compute shaders")



It will in about 3 weeks. They are waiting on DirectStorage for PC to reach W10 Insider Preview. When it does, all this discussion and debate will be rendered mute and we will be able to see whats required to run it and if Xbox can.

1+1 = 2 no matter what.

It will be up to all parties like you, Bo_Hazem and everyone else to accept the facts when that happen and whatever they may be. Three weeks isn't a long time.

You have no idea how much I'm looking forward to it. I'm serious, i literally can't wait to see the excuses that Epic will find to justify the (superior) performance on pc because you know gpu's are always the most important piece of the puzzle. And like in the dieshot thread it'll end up that i was right again

 

[Dampf]

Mesh shading will be extremly important in the future and I hope it will get used as soon as possible.

Also there's no point in Sony fanboys wars. Sony has very likely made major primitive shading adjustements to ensure their geometry engine comes close to mesh shading on Xbox and PC.

 

[MonarchJT]

Says the guy that didn't understand how nanite works...
And he said it was the same quality?like explicitely?
And sure nobody cares about that demo... Except you you seem to care an awful lot about that demo, so much that you feel the need to lie about it to neglect every other evidence and chose a conspiracy and words you didn't understand simply because you have to trust a translation, when Sweeney explicitely debunked that.
I have no problem not talking about that demo I have more problem with your constant FUD and how you never reply to anything, any proof, beside hey it's a conspiracy and that engineer said it.There is evidence it was a video multiple proofs and yet reality doesn't get a hold on you.You are so biased that you can't even see it is already a lost battle.
Now you can move the goalpost, like always.

When one of the demo engineer who clearly knows what he's talking about itself say "the actual demo can run on a notebook with this ssd and this gpu at this resolution with this cpu usage better than ps5" (10fps) you can be sure he is talking about the same actual demo .

Sweeney said an embarassing bs who insulted the engineer himself to hide the truth.Then moved to make remove the interview. No one trusted him on twitter or b3d the only ones I have heard believe the nonsense that sees the engineer talking about how better a VIDEO of the demo can run at 40fps on pc, are sony fans. Obviously because they likes to think that the ps5 can somehow have some secret sauce even with respect to the PC as well as the Xbox. When the PC will blow both consoles out of the water whatever they will allow it to compare throughout the gen I will love talking about this demo and the i/o subsystem. again

 

[phil_t98]

When one of the demo engineer who clearly knows what he's talking about itself say "the actual demo can run on a notebook with this ssd and this gpu at this resolution with this cpu usage better than ps5" (10fps) you can be sure he is talking about the same actual demo .

Sweeney said an embarassing bs who insulted the engineer himself to hide the truth. No one trusted him on twitter or b3d the only ones I have heard believe the nonsense that sees the engineer talking about how better a VIDEO of the demo can run at 40fps on pc, are sony fans

A lot of what was said by Sweeny was PR talk after receiving £250 mill from Sony for shares in epic

 

[azertydu91]

When one of the demo engineer who clearly knows what he's talking about itself say "the actual demo can run on a notebook with this ssd and this gpu at this resolution with this cpu usage better than ps5" (10fps) you can be sure he is talking about the same actual demo .

Sweeney said an embarassing bs who insulted the engineer himself to hide the truth.Then moved to make remove the interview. No one trusted him on twitter or b3d the only ones I have heard believe the nonsense that sees the engineer talking about how better a VIDEO of the demo can run at 40fps on pc, are sony fans. Obviously because they likes to think that the ps5 can somehow have some secret sauce even with respect to the PC as well as the Xbox. When the PC will blow consoles out of the water whatever they will allow it to compare throughout the gen I will love talking about this demo. again

You're just spewing bullshit enjoy my ignore list and move on or grow up.

 

[MonarchJT]

You're just spewing bullshit enjoy my ignore list and move on or grow up.

eeeh sure)) go on, I just think the truth hurts in some cases but burying your head in the sand doesn't it helps. I look forward to any multiplatform game running better on any console thanks to their customizations compared to PC. Wake me up when it will happen. Meanwhile let's enjoy cyberpunk 2077

 

[Lort]

Its hilarious how much of this thread is about ue .. and and io performance ..none if which is mentioned in the video or on topic.

Some sad sacks need to keep flooding this thread with their desperate off topic fanboy posts though dont they.

also real world performance advantage has been negligble ... but hey what ever gets you to sleep at night.

.... why are people attacking me lol .. heres a tip for advanced users .. i didnt make the video or make and claims ... i just pointed out that it will likely cause some fanboys to implode into angry off topic rants in the name of thier plastic box... so thanks for making the one claim i made true.

 

[Garani]

You have no idea how much I'm looking forward to it. I'm serious, i literally can't wait to see the excuses that Epic will find to justify the (superior) performance on pc because you know gpu's are always the most important piece of the puzzle. And like in the dieshot thread it'll end up that i was right again

If I remember correctly, you disappeared from the die shot thread.

 

[azertydu91]

eeeh )) go on. I look forward to any multiplatform game running better on any console thanks to their customizations compared to PC. Wake me up when it will happen. Meanwhile let's enjoy cyberpunk 2077

Great put words I haven't said in my mouth, it's the next step after all your lies.
Go on with your conspiracy.

 

[MonarchJT]

If I remember correctly, you disappeared from the die shot thread.

i been initially silenced after mods read up everything i have been unsilenced just because I was right as Locuza, leviathan, Stanard vs ethomaz the dieshot itself and all analyzes have shown. I'm no longer interested in that thread there is little to discover in the dieshot at this point.

 

[azertydu91]

Its hilarious how much of this thread is about ue .. and and io performance ..none if which is mentioned in the video or on topic.

Some sad sacks need to keep flooding this thread with their desperate off topic fanboy posts though dont they.

also real world performance advantage has been negligble ... but hey what ever gets you to sleep at night.

.... why are people attacking me lol .. heres a tip for advanced users .. i didnt make the video or make and claims ... i just pointed out that it will likely cause some fanboys to implode into angry off topic rants in the name of thier plastic box... so thanks for making the one claim i made true.

Yeah but what do you want, that monarch dude keep going back to it. I don't think anybody in this thread has posted as much as him about it.

 

[MonarchJT]

Great put words I haven't said in my mouth, it's the next step after all your lies.
Go on with your conspiracy.

So what about the demo that can't run on a laptop with a gpu that is officially more powerful than what there's inside the ps5 with a 870 evo ssd. u said basically that the engineer was talking about a video of the demo not the demo itself did i read right ?

 

[phil_t98]

So what about the demo that can't run on a laptop with a gpu that is officially more powerful than what there's inside the ps5 with a 870 evo ssd. u said basically that the engineer was talking about a video of the demo not the demo itself did i read right ?

Its funny after praising the PS5 so much at the release of the demo they have been extremely quiet about it, no stat released no talk of how it would run on xbox or a decent pc. The talk was all PR for PS5

 

[azertydu91]

Alright guys now that I ignored the problematic individual in this thread I have a question, why would we still believe the guy when he has been proven wrong ? Not specifically about xbox but about a lot of things.
I think mesh shader will help provide better looking games though.
Will it be better than what sony has cooked in its geometry engine I don't think anybody can tell yet.

 

[MonarchJT]

Its funny after praising the PS5 so much at the release of the demo they have been extremely quiet about it, no stat released no talk of how it would run on xbox or a decent pc. The talk was all PR for PS5

there was probably an agreement on the creation of the demo. after the 250 millions all was clearer. Just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that. But don't tell me which was not piloted PR.

 

[phil_t98]

Alright guys now that I ignored the problematic individual in this thread I have a question, why would we still believe the guy when he has been proven wrong ? Not specifically about xbox but about a lot of things.
I think mesh shader will help provide better looking games though.
Will it be better than what sony has cooked in its geometry engine I don't think anybody can tell yet.

if am fully honest we haven't seen anything of either console yet, in terms of next gen features. Spider-Man MM shows the best ray tracing so far but its still a last gen game with ray tracing bolted on. That's not a dig at it because its very impressive i just think we have a long way to go yet

 

[phil_t98]

there was probably an agreement on the creation of the demo. after the 250 millions all was clearer. Just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that. But don't tell me which was not piloted PR.

Agree with that and perfectly fine they PR'ed the PS5 but it only came out afterwards that sony had invested so it made it more clear. As i said in this thread a few times what was more important was what was NOT said about the demo running on other hardware, nowhere did they claim it couldn't run as well on xbox or anything. There was no mention of xbox at all which backs up its more important what was not said

 

[azertydu91]

if am fully honest we haven't seen anything of either console yet, in terms of next gen features. Spider-Man MM shows the best ray tracing so far but its still a last gen game with ray tracing bolted on. That's not a dig at it because its very impressive i just think we have a long way to go yet

I totally agree and I can't wait to see amd's dlss in those consoles,hoping it's at least half as good as dlss.
This gen will probably improve more than any other previously.

 

[phil_t98]

I totally agree and I can't wait to see amd's dlss in those consoles,hoping it's at least half as good as dlss.
This gen will probably improve more than any other previously.

hopefully there's lots of great features to come

 

[azertydu91]

hopefully there's lots of great features to come

Yep I think we'll see great things from both sides, let's hope the covid won't fuck this gen too much.

 

[phil_t98]

Yep I think we'll see great things from both sides, let's hope the covid won't fuck this gen too much.

We need both sides to be on top form to push each other then everybody wins