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Rejected Pixar Movie [Mafia] | Won't Someone Think of the Children?

Ourobolus

Banned
I'm of two minds about this Ouro v Melon showdown.

I like the out-of-the-box thinking (in theory) and credit afforded me for claiming I'm capable of such a scum gambit--although you have spent a lot of the game claiming the opposite. I also don't like the hesitation and "wait for it" shenanigans only to just be vanilla.

I also really, really don't like this:



I do you know I wouldn't? Were you baiting scum? Me? For someone that was so reluctant to jump on the LP train it strikes me as a weird move.

I don't know, man.

I just don't know.

I was baiting scum to kill me, since a cop/tracker is much more useful than a vanilla who is pretending to be a doctor
 
I was baiting scum to kill me, since a cop/tracker is much more useful than a vanilla who is pretending to be a doctor

Any yet, scum saw through you and went a different direction according to Kawl.

At what point are you going to reveal your N1 and N2 activity, Kawl?
 

Kawl_USC

Member
Can we get a vote count?

And ouro who do you think is scum ATM? Can you stop just jerking around with that play and participate beyond reaction to people calling you out/voting you?
 

CzarTim

Member
Day 3 votes


melonrabbit (0)
ourobolus 622 (671)

ourobolus (1)
gorlak 705

pop-o-matic (2)
kawl_usc 712
kyanrute 722

exmachina64 (1)
nin1000 727

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Ourobolus

Banned
Can we get a vote count?

And ouro who do you think is scum ATM? Can you stop just jerking around with that play and participate beyond reaction to people calling you out/voting you?

I'm not fighting against melon in the last few posts. At least I wasn't trying to.

And my list hasn't really changed, at least until you let us in on your nightly activities.

Scum
Gorlak, exmachina

Lean Scum
Pop, Kyan

On the radar
melon, kawl
 
I'm not fighting against melon in the last few posts. At least I wasn't trying to.

And my list hasn't really changed, at least until you let us in on your nightly activities.

Scum
Gorlak, exmachina

Lean Scum
Pop, Kyan

On the radar
melon, kawl

What's your argument on Gorlak? And where would you place nin?

And yes, I agree with Ouro. Post your night activities, Kawl.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
I'm not fighting against melon in the last few posts. At least I wasn't trying to.

And my list hasn't really changed, at least until you let us in on your nightly activities.

Scum
Gorlak, exmachina

Lean Scum
Pop, Kyan

On the radar
melon, kawl

How's about nin?
 

Kawl_USC

Member
What's your argument on Gorlak? And where would you place nin?

And yes, I agree with Ouro. Post your night activities, Kawl.

No.

I'll post it when I feel it's correct. quit belaboring the point you two. While both of yall may want to just keep discussing roles and night actions, others may actually want to play the game of mafia.

Find me suspicious until I disclose fine, but discuss the posts in this game, not night actions for like a few hours. You goons
 

Ourobolus

Banned
nin sits squarely in null territory now i think.

I mean if we assume melon is the cop, there's a chance for a godfather

he's basically been nin 1.0 this game so it's really a toss up with him
 

Ourobolus

Banned
No.

I'll post it when I feel it's correct. quit belaboring the point you two. While both of yall may want to just keep discussing roles and night actions, others may actually want to play the game of mafia.

Find me suspicious until I disclose fine, but discuss the posts in this game, not night actions for like a few hours. You goons

How is that not playing mafia? More information allows us to critique the posts better.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
How is that not playing mafia? More information allows us to critique the posts better.
Because mafia in my mind is goons and vanilla townies. Power roles only really needed due to not having body language to be read.

Our community in particular becomes too dependent and focused on night actions. That's not mafia.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Because mafia in my mind is goons and vanilla townies. Power roles only really needed due to not having body language to be read.

Our community in particular becomes too dependent and focused on night actions. That's not mafia.

That's great and all, but we supposedly HAVE information that could help out. You're basically saying, "Work is fifty miles away and I have this car I can use, or I can make the walk...I mean eventually I'll get there."
 

Kawl_USC

Member
That's great and all, but we supposedly HAVE information that could help out. You're basically saying, "Work is fifty miles away and I have this car I can use, or I can make the walk...I mean eventually I'll get there."

If I had perfect information I would be sharing it. And no I don't want the information I share to dominate the discussion. We already had that yesterday and I don't think it was super helpful in terms of scum hunting unless Pop really fumbled that post that hard.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
If I had perfect information I would be sharing it. And no I don't want the information I share to dominate the discussion. We already had that yesterday and I don't think it was super helpful in terms of scum hunting unless Pop really fumbled that post that hard.

2 points:

1) Considering the only other PR we are considering is a Tracker (due to the ninja) and nothing else (due to the size of the game), there are two options. Either you protected someone or scum didn't submit a kill
2) You already claimed doctor and put a target on your back
 

Kawl_USC

Member
I'm not fighting against melon in the last few posts. At least I wasn't trying to.

And my list hasn't really changed, at least until you let us in on your nightly activities.

Scum
Gorlak, exmachina

Lean Scum
Pop, Kyan

On the radar
melon, kawl

Provide any posts or analysis about why the list has remained the same/for the tier break down??
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Provide any posts or analysis about why the list has remained the same/for the tier break down??

The top 4 are the claimed ordinaries. Obviously someone is lying.

Gorlak is asking questions like a madman which I feel he tends to do to look active
exmachina simply just exists in this game

Pop is similar to machina, but I feel he has added a bit more to the discussion
Kyan is Kyan

you and melon are just in consideration for the time being since I could see both claims being used to hide as scum
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Wait. That's it?

He had over 100 posts to dig through, not that surprising he'd be busy.

How do you feel about his vote on you?

Literally in every game he and I are in there's a post from Gorlak saying "Hey, let's get Ourobolus because of reasons!"

I just tune it out at this point
 
I mean you're not wrong. Someone is lying in a game of mafia. How do you feel about all the criticism of people calling you distanced or deattached from the game? Do you feel that's fair/warranted?

No, I don't think it is. Some of us do have jobs, spouses and sleep schedules outside of this game.

I don't trust anyone in this game currently and I'm operating under the assumption that you're all lying to some degree.

To Nin's point, should I be checking in every hour to say:

exmachina64 said:
*sigh* God, Ouro, I don't know why you keep pushing Melon when it doesn't seem like you're going to get any new info in the short term. Can you stop dicking around?

I mean, maybe I'm older than most of you and you're all on winter break from college, but it's well-past gotten old. It's not like I'm hanging around the Outer Gafia Discord all day.

I agree with Kawl's posts here and here. I don't think Kawl's budging on his night actions anytime soon.

Not surprising. Try asking for a reason and he will tell you that he is in the cinema right now.

You're the closest we have to confirmed town, but this increases my suspicion that you're a godfather.

I'm not going to dignify your other whiny posts with a response.
 
Ok, so this involves a super ballsy play by scum. I'm aware it's not incredibly likely, but given that we don't have any info yet on what happened last night, it's the best I got for now.

D1
melon claims tracker (well says that she "knows [LP] did stan dirty," which implies that LP is not only scum but the one that killed stan...so more info than a cop would know) and throws a lot of cop gifs
claims that she tracked LP and that he visited stan.
I give a recommendation to track exmachina, to which melon responds with another gif, which I assume was an agreement or something, I don't know.
I back off that and just figure she can track whomever, since I wasn't entirely sold on machina at the time.
Day ends and I subtly mention that melon doesn't have to worry during the night
LP is lynched, is scum, ninja

D2
No death
melon decides she is now a cop instead of a tracker and has checked nin as town


Ok. So let's frame this as melon being scum. Here's where it gets weird.

Melon busses teammate LP (for whatever reason, up to, and including #unnecessarygambit) in order to gain town cred. Makes sense. I mean, it's D2, but it IS a smaller game.

Bussing is fine and all, but it's not a surefire way to suddenly become townie in everyone's eyes.

So how do you suddenly become townie?

get attacked and protected by the doctor

I breadcrumbed pretty heavily that I would protect melon during the night, in part because my role isn't all that great, and if melon is town scum would have to choose whether to kill me or gamble on melon being killed. If they chose me, we'd get another track.

But if we assume scum!melon, then the way to become townie is to just not submit a kill, since she can't target herself (assumedly since it's playing against their win con).

"But Ouro, why didn't she just kill you?"

Good question, random townie. She couldn't kill me because I'd need to be around the next day to say "yep, I protected melon."

I didn't protect melon. Nor did I protect anyone else. Like I said, I don't think my role is all that useful.

So until I get more info:

Vote: melonrabbit

Why are we accepting Ouro's logic here?

Unless I'm missing something, he's breadcrumbed that he's either a doctor or blocker, but always downplayed his role as not being useful and hasn't actually protected anyone.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Why are we accepting Ouro's logic here?

Unless I'm missing something, he's breadcrumbed that he's either a doctor or blocker, but always downplayed his role as not being useful and hasn't actually protected anyone.

1. It was a theory to explain the last night. I have never said it was THE answer.
2. A blocker wouldn't be able to definitively protect melon
3. I've said not the doctor
4. I've claimed vanilla
 

nin1000

Banned
Why are we accepting Ouro's logic here?

Unless I'm missing something, he's breadcrumbed that he's either a doctor or blocker, but always downplayed his role as not being useful and hasn't actually protected anyone.

For today i see nothing wrong with it, Its more a thing of "tolerate" than accepting it.
Same with melons claim. For today it is ok
 
1. It was a theory to explain the last night. I have never said it was THE answer.
2. A blocker wouldn't be able to definitively protect melon
3. I've said not the doctor
4. I've claimed vanilla

I was baiting scum to kill me, since a cop/tracker is much more useful than a vanilla who is pretending to be a doctor

Sure.

Don't see how it didn't work

You're still alive

You.

you...
you're not enjoying this dance...?

where have i gone wrong
i'm the best looking guy at this party
whatever

Have.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
"Sure I have" what?

I'm vanilla. I soft-claimed that I would protect melon during the night. The hope that a vanilla (me) would get killed rather than the cop, since scum would want to kill the guy who just claimed doctor. And she's still alive. Obviously I didn't actually protect her, so I don't know what actually happened last night, but my point is that she didn't die.
 
"Sure I have" what?

I'm vanilla. I soft-claimed that I would protect melon during the night. The hope that a vanilla (me) would get killed rather than the cop, since scum would want to kill the guy who just claimed doctor. And she's still alive. Obviously I didn't actually protect her, so I don't know what actually happened last night, but my point is that she didn't die.

Unless you think I actually AM the doctor, in which case, why are you voting for me

It should be obvious why I'm voting for you, I think you're a scum breadcrumbing a town PR and trying to get Melon (the cop) lynched.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
It should be obvious why I'm voting for you, I think you're a scum breadcrumbing a town PR and trying to get Melon (the cop) lynched.

You're right, I mean my vote is totally on her right now and I've said multiple times that my theory is the only explanation and that Kawl is Moe.

all of these things are false
 
ok exmachina

apart from me, what are your thoughts

1. [m] Gorlak - Seems like town.
4. [f] melonrabbit - I'll accept her PR claim for now.
7. [m] nin1000 - Ostensibly town, but could be godfather or Melon's not a cop.
9. [m] Pop-O-Matic - Not posting enough.
10. [m] Kawl_USC - I trust his PR claim, I want more details from him during the next day phase.
11. [m] Kyanrute - Not posting enough.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
1. [m] Gorlak - Seems like town.
4. [f] melonrabbit - I'll accept her PR claim for now.
7. [m] nin1000 - Ostensibly town, but could be godfather or Melon's not a cop.
9. [m] Pop-O-Matic - Not posting enough.
10. [m] Kawl_USC - I trust his PR claim, I want more details from him during the next day phase.
11. [m] Kyanrute - Not posting enough.

What makes you think kawl makes it to the next day phase
 
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