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[Gavon West]

It's too late at this point. Microsoft also don't seem to care how many new consoles they sell. It's all about software and Gamepass now.

This is the whole point. I can't understand how people continue thinking in the line of consoles sold these days. Its not. Not for MS. That's just one avenue. Not main street. They aren't leaving people behind from this gen. And Halo is still going to do banger numbers when it releases. This small hick up changes nothing.

 

[UnNamed]

They spent 3 years working on Halo Infinite on XBOX ONE, they just can't throw away all the jobs done and restart from scratch because Series X.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

Releasing the game in both generations would only make sense if the game is actually pretty good, that way they could have coop between both generations.

But this brings other problems, like what we're seeing now, if it doesnt look much better on next gen then why would people get it ? And if the game isnt good enough to maintain a solid playerbase for a few months, at least until a proper next gen xbox game is released, then they will suffer badly, that seems to be the case.

The game is very underwhelming and generic looking, the only hope for this is having a great story, which I highly doubt as well.

 

[Kumomeme]

if they really want to catch up to sony first party, ditching xbox one and lockhart is good starter..they can even has advantages of better framerate and ray tracing..no matter how talented sony devs is, there still limit to the physical hardware..well that assuming if they can have same level of talent..but it wont go anywhere if these potential talent still stuck to 1.3tf console..it wont happened overnight..but first step is important

 

[Freeman]

That is not the problem with Halo Infinite. Something is wrong with 343i and how long they are taking to do things, MCC is still not complete on PC to this day, missing multiple games.

This Halo game looks like it entered development hell a long time ago, MS then delayed and made all their plans around it thinking it would be ready for the launch (and it clearly isn't). The game we saw looks nothing like what they showed when they released the trailer in E3 2018.

 

[HarryKS]

They weren't gonna throw away half a decade worth of work for nothing....

 

[Patterson]

Maybe down the line, Microsoft can be nice enough to hire Bluepoint Games to do a remake with updated graphics and license it out to Playstation.

 

[quest]

if they really want to catch up to sony first party, ditching xbox one and lockhart is good starter..they can even has advantages of better framerate and ray tracing..no matter how talented sony devs is, there still limit to the physical hardware..well that assuming if they can have same level of talent..but it wont go anywhere if these potential talent still stuck to 1.3tf console..it wont happened overnight..but first step is important

The good stuff the new studios are working on is not cross generation. The cross generation is a handful of games for 2 years. Avowed. Hell blade, fable, everwild, forza ect are next generation only.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

I don't think you understand what they are going for with Halo. GaaS that keeps evolving with a huge multiplayer aspect. For this last part you want as many players as possible, hence they release it on every device possible.

There is a lot to be said for this, 50% of Halo players don't even play or finish the campaign. One aspect I'm happy about is maximising the multiplayer population for Halo, especially regional players such as Australia. I'm so fucking sick of USA servers, literally in MCC Xbox you can dive into 3 matches in a row with 3/4 out of 8 Aussies and always USA servers. Infinite better give control to players for region selection like Apex Legends or the GaaS will be short lived outside of USA population this generation again.

 

[Balducci30]

I don't see what people aren't getting - Microsoft isn't trying to win the console war by traditional means. That much is clear. They aren't trying to beat Sony anymore - they're banking on the services of game pass and xcloud and games as a service - they want to become the Netflix of the games industry clearly.

 

[Evangelion Unit-01]

There is a lot to be said for this, 50% of Halo players don't even play or finish the campaign. One aspect I'm happy about is maximising the multiplayer population for Halo, especially regional players such as Australia. I'm so fucking sick of USA servers, literally in MCC Xbox you can dive into 3 matches in a row with 3/4 out of 8 Aussies and always USA servers. Infinite better give control to players for region selection like Apex Legends or the GaaS will be short lived outside of USA population this generation again.

Tough being a Halo fan in Australia. I've heard that people there could not even find games until they finally fixed the match making in 2018. Now that you can find matches you get stuck in laggy matches.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

In the words of Xaero Gravity :

"Shit's dead, Jim"

 

[Kumomeme]

The good stuff the new studios are working on is not cross generation. The cross generation is a handful of games for 2 years. Avowed. Hell blade, fable, everwild, forza ect are next generation only.

thats great then..hope those title stay away from xbox one

 

[Psykodad]

Why do people blame it on XB1 when even going by current-gen standards, it's mediocre?

 

[Psykodad]

This is the whole point. I can't understand how people continue thinking in the line of consoles sold these days. Its not. Not for MS. That's just one avenue. Not main street. They aren't leaving people behind from this gen. And Halo is still going to do banger numbers when it releases. This small hick up changes nothing.

Why don't they just become a 3rd party then?
They clearly are making the moves to do so.

It'd be a win for everyone.

 

[Mmnow]

Why don't they just become a 3rd party then?
They clearly are making the moves to do so.

It'd be a win for everyone.

Because they want control of the ecosystem.

Gamepass, as it is, wouldn't work if you had to cut in Sony and Nintendo too.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Tough being a Halo fan in Australia. I've heard that people there could not even find games until they finally fixed the match making in 2018. Now that you can find matches you get stuck in laggy matches.

MCC was a nightmare for more than 1-2 years since launch, honestly it's really only stable these days with all the PC updates going for both Xbox and PC versions. It was the downfall of 15 or so of our hardcore Halo friends; from the game crashing and party chat booting people to no searches working at all and promises of fixing time and time again with updates only for us to find it completely broken. We would try for hours at a time. The population is better when playing MCC on PC, no doubt. Nowadays you can find objective only filtered matchmade games with usually Australian or Southeast Asia servers. Slayer and BTB you can find Aussie games a lot. The Xbox population is total shit, you can't even find objective only games anywhere in the world during Aussie play times.

This is so much part of why I wanted the gameplay reveal to have PvE content similar to Destiny, so we can have brilliant online gaming with our Halo friends and enjoy the world of Halo. The same circle of guys and gals whom were hardcore on halo were also pretty hardcore on Destiny 1 and fell off during Destiny 2 due to the grind required to even play high level content as well as RNG bullshit and repetitiveness.

Another aspect I wished they had of revealed with Infinite is curated but procedural PvE or PvP content, it extends the life so much. I don't understand the lack of creativity or innovation or even following major trends from Bungie out of 343. I'm at a loss and it has very little to do with whether they supported the Xbox One generation of hardware or not. A ton of what "fixes" international problems with Halo is all server/Azure based with very little to do with the processing power of the gamer's console.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Releasing Halo Infinite on PS5 would cause less damage than releasing it on Xbox One is doing.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

Why do people blame it on XB1 when even going by current-gen standards, it's mediocre?

Too bad you're not a virologist. Imagine, if you were able to spend as much time working on a CoVid cure as you do trying to tear down anything xbox, we'd have had a cure months ago. I mean it is amazing.. you can't go into any xbox relates thread without you being there eventually shitting it up. It's just sad..

 

[Psykodad]

Too bad you're not a virologist. Imagine, if you were able to spend as much time working on a CoVid cure as you do trying to tear down anything xbox, we'd have had a cure months ago. I mean it is amazing.. you can't go into any xbox relates thread without you being there eventually shitting it up. It's just sad..

Press ignore then, if my posts bother you that much.
It isn't exactly difficult to shit on MS when they throw the doors wide open.

Also, fun fact:
COVID is mostly FUD, but all the lockdowns and rules are actually making me pass more time on gaf then usual.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

Press ignore then, if my posts bother you that much.
It isn't exactly difficult to shit on MS when they throw the doors wide open.

Also, fun fact:
COVID is mostly FUD, but all the lockdowns and rules are actually making me pass more time on gaf then usual.

Its one thing to shit on MS, its another to actively go on every MS thread soley to shit on them. You and a few others end up sabotaging legit threads with continuous bullshit. I'd rather call out your endless trolling in an effort make GAF a bit better. Jesus try being constructive instead.

And fun fact:

I work emergency service... CoVid is very real. We are seeing it everyday now in my city of 200k. So save your FUD for someone else.

 

[Monkeygourmet]

They should have released multiplayer only on the Xbone and Multiplayer plus a suped up campaign on Series X

 

[ZywyPL]

They spent 3 years working on Halo Infinite on XBOX ONE, they just can't throw away all the jobs done and restart from scratch because Series X.

But MS themselves said that Series X development started right after 1X launch, so they were fully aware the next-gen system is coming, more than that, as one of the main 1st party studio they were most likely deeply involved into the system's design/specs... IMO they should've stick with that UE4 engine, so we would get 4K 60FPS with great graphics and RT, but instead they decided to drop it and make a new engine from scratch, which so far looks like a Ctrl+C Ctrl+V of their previous engine...

 

[Psykodad]

Its one thing to shit on MS, its another to actively go on every MS thread soley to shit on them. You and a few others end up sabotaging legit threads with continuous bullshit. I'd rather call out your endless trolling in an effort make GAF a bit better. Jesus try being constructive instead.

And fun fact:

I work emergency service... CoVid is very real. We are seeing it everyday now in my city of 200k. So save your FUD for someone else.

Maybe get rid if this perception that I'm "shitting" on them, that would help a lot.
Same as trying to learn to read my posts in a calm tone, because 90% of the time, that's the case.
Maybe it's thr way I expres myself, but that's how it is.

What I asked is a legitimate question.
Not only that, we get the same type of threads and discussions over and over, so yes, you might see me in certain threads.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

Maybe get rid if this perception that I'm "shitting" on them, that would help a lot.
Same as trying to learn to read my posts in a calm tone, because 90% of the time, that's the case.
Maybe it's thr way I expres myself, but that's how it is.

What I asked is a legitimate question.
Not only that, we get the same type of threads and discussions over and over, so yes, you might see me in certain threads.

You literally just said "It isn't exactly difficult to shit on MS when they throw the doors wide open.". Hard to change the perception of what you are doing when you basically admit to doing it in your previous post.

Also quit being so coy and acting like you have good intentions when you get into these threads. Your post history would easily contradict it. Anyways... I've said my piece and I'm done derailing this thread.

 

[Psykodad]

You literally just said "It isn't exactly difficult to shit on MS when they throw the doors wide open.". Hard to change the perception of what you are doing when you basically admit to doing it in your previous post.

Also quit being so coy and acting like you have good intentions when you get into these threads. Your post history would easily contradict it. Anyways... I've said my piece and I'm done derailing this thread.

But that's a fact. And it was a reaction to you implying that I was shit posting.

But to react to your (and others) accusation of me "shit posting in every xbox thread", of the ~43 threads I see on the first page, I only replied in 9 and not all are Xbox threads.
Same thing on the next page.

So again, it's all a matter of perception.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Far too late for that. It's been in development for so long as an XB1 exclusive that at this stage they may as well throw it all away if they were going to make it XSX exclusive. May as well release it on XB1 and then do a massive XSX sequel in 2 years.

The timing is terrible for MS, so I feel there's a bit of incompetence by some higher ups. As soon as the game looked like it was going to be a 2018+ game back in likely early 2017 it should have been changed to be a XSX game.

Halo 3 looked incredible graphically and Halo 4 was the best looking Xbox360 game. There's no excuse for why it can't look good and play good

Halo 3 was never a graphical powerhouse. Gears looked substantially better, as did COD 4 and many other games. Halo was about the co-op and dynamic sandbox and AI.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Far too late for that. It's been in development for so long as an XB1 exclusive that at this stage they may as well throw it all away if they were going to make it XSX exclusive. May as well release it on XB1 and then do a massive XSX sequel in 2 years.

The timing is terrible for MS, so I feel there's a bit of incompetence by some higher ups. As soon as the game looked like it was going to be a 2018+ game back in likely early 2017 it should have been changed to be a XSX game.




Halo 3 was never a graphical powerhouse. Gears looked substantially better, as did COD 4 and many other games. Halo was about the co-op and dynamic sandbox and AI.

That's wrong imo Halo 3 and Halo 4 looked great and better than most games, Gears of War looked better but it was one of very few

 

[MrFunSocks]

Halo 3 looked incredible graphically and Halo 4 was the best looking Xbox360 game. There's no excuse for why it can't look good and play good

That's wrong imo Halo 3 and Halo 4 looked great and better than most games, Gears of War looked better but it was one of very few

Halo 4 absolutely, but Halo 3 wasn't highly praised for its graphics at the time. It had nothing wrong with them, it was clean, but it was a bit "sterile" and nothing that pushed limits. I remember it copping a lot of flack back then.

What made up for it though was the gameplay and sandbox and online play.

Halo 4 was also scaled back size wise from Halo 3, which helped with the better graphics.

 

[Hobbygaming]

That's wrong IMO I remember being blown away by Halo 3 back in the day. Gears of War was one of the few shooters that looked better

 

[GymWolf]

We all know this except for the "engines are scalable, just look at pc gaming" people

There was no chance of sex not being held down by xone and no chance of Microsoft financing 2 completely different games just to piss off xone users after their "we are a big green family" narrative.

Some people in this forum is philing very silly after their denying in the past months...

 

[Zannegan]

I don't think it was necessarily a mistake to keep Halo cross-gen. They'll get lots of game sales on current gen devices and maintain goodwill with those who have already invested in their platform. But, the policy that EVERY first party game had to play across all their devices was a mistake. They should have had something else on hand as their flagship next gen game to get people excited about the XSX, and shiny minecraft isn't going to cut it... probably.

 

[LordClansman]

That's wrong IMO I remember being blown away by Halo 3 back in the day. Gears of War was one of the few shooters that looked better

Let's also not forget that everyone was shitting on the Halo 3 beta because the graphics were bad.

 

[anothertech]

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[Hobbygaming]

Let's also not forget that everyone was shitting on the Halo 3 beta because the graphics were bad.

That could have been true for the beta but the finished product was very impressive

 

[martino]

Why do people blame it on XB1 when even going by current-gen standards, it's mediocre?

have you seen how a 60fps current gen open world look ?
because the latest large scale exclusive open world not highly relying on artistic (and clever) moves at 30 fps on ps4 pro is not that great:

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this is all the time i've gone meh so far (witcher 3 on pc spoiled me with better on draw distance) and strangely it's also each time TOD is daylight (sun not rising/sinking) and meteo is clear or near clear.
now imagine how more bad image quality , draw distance etc would be to reach twice the framerate
WAKE UP 5 sec for fuck sake.....

60 fps on XSX 'or XOX and bungie DA which is bad (imo) and here we are.

 

[Psykodad]

have you seen how a 60fps current gen open world look ?
because the latest large scale exclusive open world not highly relying on artistic (and clever) moves at 30 fps on ps4 pro is not that great:

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this is all the time i've gone meh so far (witcher 3 on pc spoiled me with better on draw distance) and strangely it's also each time TOD is daylight (sun not rising/sinking) and meteo is clear or near clear.
now imagine how more bad image quality , draw distance etc would be to reach twice the framerate
WAKE UP 5 sec for fuck sake.....

60 fps on XSX 'or XOX and bungie DA which is bad (imo) and here we are.

Spiderman on PS5, current-gen game at 4K/60.

Compare those graphics.

 

[martino]

Spiderman on PS5, current-gen game at 4K/60.

Compare those graphics.

Are you serious ? scale is nowhere the same
Like comparing this gen AC with city scale (unity / syndicate) to region+ scale (origin / odyssey)
the loss in detail etc...was huge for logic reason.

but all this is not to say halo is not bad. it's really bad but let's keep the hyperbole warring in check too.

 

[ripeavocado]

Yes it is but it's too late now.
The right choice should have been made 3 years ago

 

[M1chl]

Halo 3 looked incredible graphically and Halo 4 was the best looking Xbox360 game. There's no excuse for why it can't look good and play good

Well I don't know Halo 5 looked and played really good. People don't like it for some reason, but againts Infinite, Halo 5 looks gen ahead and that game ran on XB1 OG.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Well I don't know Halo 5 looked and played really good. People don't like it for some reason, but againts Infinite, Halo 5 looks gen ahead and that game ran on XB1 OG.

I didn't really find Halo Guardians that impressive besides Sanghelios, that level was gorgeous but I agree it played very well

 

[M1chl]

I didn't really find Halo Guardians that impressive besides Sanghelios, that level was gorgeous but I agree it played very well

It's not impressive per se, but I am just comparing it to the what has been shown with Infinite. I liked the look, it's nice looking game. But calling it impressive, is not my choice of words : ) Hell RDR2 on XB1 OG, with probably same budget looked light years ahea of Infinite a that game used Dynamic lighting and all that shit as well. Which is what some defenders uses for justification, why Infinite looked bland. That ain't it chief(s).

 

[Psykodad]

Are you serious ? scale is nowhere the same
Like comparing this gen AC with city scale (unity / syndicate) to region+ scale (origin odessey)
the loss in detail etc...was huge for logic reason.

but all this is not to say halo is not bad. it's really bad but let's keep the hyperbole warring in check too.

Scale? Halo has an empty open world and it isn't even entirely open world.
Foliage is subpar.

Spiderman has much more going on and needs to render assets at a higher rate, which granted, we still have to see in action, but Halo has issues with rendering while slowly panning the camera away.

Even so, even going by Spiderman on PS4, we're talking 8GB of RAM and 1.8 Tflop vs 16Gb of RAM and 12Tflop.

All Spiderman would need, is a simple bump in res and framerate and it outclasses Halo easily.

And this is in no way a jab at the XSX, but 343 and Halo specifically.

Besides, isn't Destiny 2 running at 4K/60 on PC?
That's an even better comparison, since Halo Infinite gameplay was running on PC.

 

[kuncol02]

have you seen how a 60fps current gen open world look ?
because the latest large scale exclusive open world not highly relying on artistic (and clever) moves at 30 fps on ps4 pro is not that great:

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this is all the time i've gone meh so far (witcher 3 on pc spoiled me with better on draw distance) and strangely it's also each time TOD is daylight (sun not rising/sinking) and meteo is clear or near clear.
now imagine how more bad image quality , draw distance etc would be to reach twice the framerate
WAKE UP 5 sec for fuck sake.....

60 fps on XSX 'or XOX and bungie DA which is bad (imo) and here we are.

Grass is really good, but rest is not great (sometimes straight up terrible).

 

[IDKFA]

Microsoft no longer care if you buy the console or not. They care if you have a Gamepass subscription and they need to have new content to justify the cost on both current and next gen. This is why they said we won't be seeing first party XSX exclusive games for the first few years.

If we look at their view on Gamepass, then it makes perfect sense for them to release on current and next gen.

 

[Evangelion Unit-01]

MCC was a nightmare for more than 1-2 years since launch, honestly it's really only stable these days with all the PC updates going for both Xbox and PC versions. It was the downfall of 15 or so of our hardcore Halo friends; from the game crashing and party chat booting people to no searches working at all and promises of fixing time and time again with updates only for us to find it completely broken. We would try for hours at a time. The population is better when playing MCC on PC, no doubt. Nowadays you can find objective only filtered matchmade games with usually Australian or Southeast Asia servers. Slayer and BTB you can find Aussie games a lot. The Xbox population is total shit, you can't even find objective only games anywhere in the world during Aussie play times.

This is so much part of why I wanted the gameplay reveal to have PvE content similar to Destiny, so we can have brilliant online gaming with our Halo friends and enjoy the world of Halo. The same circle of guys and gals whom were hardcore on halo were also pretty hardcore on Destiny 1 and fell off during Destiny 2 due to the grind required to even play high level content as well as RNG bullshit and repetitiveness.

Another aspect I wished they had of revealed with Infinite is curated but procedural PvE or PvP content, it extends the life so much. I don't understand the lack of creativity or innovation or even following major trends from Bungie out of 343. I'm at a loss and it has very little to do with whether they supported the Xbox One generation of hardware or not. A ton of what "fixes" international problems with Halo is all server/Azure based with very little to do with the processing power of the gamer's console.

Similar story here. All of my friends and I bought Xbox Ones to play MCC after years of 2 and 3 on OG/360. Most of them ended up picking up Destiny. They didn't even bother with Halo 5 after not enjoying 4 and being disappointed by 4. We played D1 heavily until the launch of D2. They ended up falling off after D2 since they didn't want to maintain that level of grind. We mostly play Rainbow Six Siege, Apex, and Warzone now but we have returned to MCC on occasion since it has been "fixed".

 

[quest]

Microsoft no longer care if you buy the console or not. They care if you have a Gamepass subscription and they need to have new content to justify the cost on both current and next gen. This is why they said we won't be seeing first party XSX exclusive games for the first few years.

If we look at their view on Gamepass, then it makes perfect sense for them to release on current and next gen.

This Sony warrior fud again. Consoles sell gamepass period. No consoles no gamepass it is simple. Stadia proved no one gives a shit about cloud gaming only device. Microsoft has 2 years to transition users over from the current generation to the new generation. Microsoft does not care if upgrade this fall or next just you do. Keep the good work!

 

[PaNaMa]

I think delaying the game is a mistake.
1) Launch it on time for the millions who are not graphics whores like we are - keep them happily playing in Microsoft's ecosystem to start next gen..
2) At the same time, PLAY UP the Series X graphical update patch that is upcoming.
3) Fucking DELIVER on that graphical update patch for Series X. Improvement has to go beyond lighting.

 

[onQ123]

It would be a even bigger mistake if they would have made it for Xbox SX only.


Halo Infinite is going to do just fine might even be the biggest Halo game to come out.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

This Sony warrior fud again. Consoles sell gamepass period. No consoles no gamepass it is simple. Stadia proved no one gives a shit about cloud gaming only device. Microsoft has 2 years to transition users over from the current generation to the new generation. Microsoft does not care if upgrade this fall or next just you do. Keep the good work!

The more people by PS5, the less people would want to buy a Series X. You are assuming people would buy a Series X without games to support the money spent.

MS WANT a 2 year transition period. Sony will not give MS that long. This is a two horse race and if someone buy a PS5, they are far less likely to subscribe to Gamepass. And Sony's gameplan is to pump out games to get PS5 into as many people's hands as possible, which affects Xbox directly.