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[SpartanForce]

"Remember, remember, the 5th of November
The gunpowder, treason and plot;
I know of no reason, why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot."

 

[Joel Was Right]

The Gunpowder Plot: The Origins of the 5th of November. Narrated by GAF's Feep

 

[Fry]

I read the thread title in Portman's voice... wtf

 

[FlyingTeacup]

 

[mysticwhip]

I only know of this date through John Lennon's song, I should look up what it means someday.

 

[painey]

that movie ruined november the 5th. it used to be guy fawkes day, now its stupid fucking mask day.

 

[Discotheque]

that movie ruined november the 5th. it used to be guy fawkes day, now its stupid fucking mask day.

indeed. crappy comic and even crappier film. Features one of the worst Brit accents this side of Dick Van Dyke too.

 

[Starfish_Oxide]

The only good thing about the 5th of November is because its my birthday.

In before I make a thread about it.

Spoiler

LOL not an attention seeker, please disregard the post

 

[Deleted member 81567]

This thread is now a Natalie Portman appreciation thread

 

[AlimNassor]

Why do people like Guy Fawkes and claim he's a hero?

 

[_woLf]

Why do people like Guy Fawkes and claim he's a hero?

 

[pringles]

indeed. crappy comic and even crappier film. Features one of the worst Brit accents this side of Dick Van Dyke too.

Awesome movie.

But yes, Portman's accent is beyond terrible.

 

[Kurtofan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTbw9iytjvI From Pink Panther Passport to Peril.
That's how I learned about GF as a kid.


Edit: with the French version precisely http://www.youtube.com/user/Laewig#p/u/8/qgiq8AztSpI

 

[Count Dookkake]

I learned about Guy Fawkes from the back of a GI JOE Dreadnok figure's packaging.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

This thread is now a Natalie Portman appreciation thread
http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2011/06/tumblr-tumblr-ln0q8wt00e1qzpay7.gif[ /IMG][/QUOTE]

Does that even work without fistfull?

 

[Angry Fork]

Movie was great even though the commentary has aged badly since bush hate is cliche now.

Still, awesome visuals, music, lots of great scenes.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

Happy birthday Robert Patrick!

 

[Enkidu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTbw9iytjvI From Pink Panther 2.
That's how I learned about GF as a kid.

Wait, that was a sequel? What game was the original?

 

[DanteFox]

One of my favorite movies and graphic novels.

 

[Foob]

my favorite line from watchmen

 

[Deleted member 81567]

Does that even work without fistfull?

who dat?

 

[Kurtofan]

Wait, that was a sequel? What game was the original?

I thought it was the sequel but I have no idea, I loved this game as a kid.

 

[Shanadeus]

People shouldn't be afraid of their government.

Governments should be afraid of their people.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

It was the day time travel was invented!

 

[Joel Was Right]

Why do people like Guy Fawkes and claim he's a hero?

Guy Fawkes was part of a group that sought to remove the government by force during the Protestant Reformation; a period of Catholic repression. Fawkes himself was Catholic. He may not be considered a hero across Catholicism, or indeed a martyr as some figures that preceded him were, but his name is a reminder of the sectarian tensions that once gripped Western Europe, albeit a bitter one for Catholics in particular. If you'd like to know more, check out the link to the thread I posted earlier here.

 

[bsb]

Remember remember the 5th of november when a religious fundamentalist terrorist tried to murder a bunch of people in the hopes of triggering a war that would allow his religion to take over the government

 

[The Technomancer]

Why do people like Guy Fawkes and claim he's a hero?

V for Vendetta

People shouldn't be afraid of their government.

Governments should be afraid of their people.

This is such an infuriating way to think. The government is supposed to be of the people, not some adversarial entity.

 

[Discotheque]

So in a hundred years do you think Osama Bin Laden will get his own holiday and movie? The masks would look kind of bizarre though.

 

[Pandaman]

Remember remember the 5th of november when a religious fundamentalist terrorist tried to murder a bunch of people in the hopes of triggering a war that would allow his religion to take over the government of another group of religious fundamentalists already in the process of murdering people.

fixed that for you

 

[Buckethead]

Ok Calendar Man.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

It's not a holiday. People just get together at the night and start fires to burn effigies of old Guido and set off fireworks. I suppose we can see next year if people across America start making effigies of Bin Laden and shooting them in public. I would be a little surprised, but not much.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

It was the day time travel was invented!

This.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Glad to know I am not the only person to be weirded out by people seeing Fawkes as a hero.

 

[victreeb3l]

i hate this fucking movie

 

[DanteFox]

Glad to know I am not the only person to be weirded out by people seeing Fawkes as a hero.

Most people associate it more with V than with Fawkes, whom I doubt most know of.

 

[Emerson]

I love the movie though I hate that every person feels like they have to reference it and talk about it as often as they do.

 

[Woorloog]

who dat?

A guy who.. um, had a creepy collection of pictures of Natalie Portman.
Someone have a link to the thread?
Then he went and admitted using AdBlocker and got banned "until he would PayPal EviLore $50 for the lost ad reveneu".
I'm not mixing two people am i?

 

[MechDX]

Yes, Remember to turn your clocks back tonight!

 

[badcrumble]

I mean, he was basically a Catholic radical monarchist. If people want other 'heroes' like Fawkes, they should also love Francisco Franco and Brent Bozell.

 

[Woorloog]

Once's hero is another's, um, terrorist is reserverd for freedom fighter, so [insert appropiate word here].

 

[Bloodbeard]

Guy Fawkes stood up for what he believed in an a government that oppressed an essential part of his identity. If you can't understand why that has made him a folk hero to so many then the issue is your own.

Lol, at "cultured"-gaf quipping "ugh, I hated that movie".

 

[ReBurn]

Guy Fawkes stood up for what he believed in an a government that oppressed an essential part of his identity. If you can't understand why that has made him a folk hero to so many then the issue is your own.

Lol, at "cultured"-gaf quipping "ugh, I hated that movie".

I thought he wanted to switch an anglican monarch with a catholic one.

 

[Bloodbeard]

I thought he wanted to switch an anglican monarch with a catholic one.

details details. Narratives take lives of their own.

 

[badcrumble]

details details. Narratives take lives of their own.

this is literally the dumbest reply possible

you're saying that the facts don't matter

not only this, but he was actually *never* considered a hero, just a terrorist, and Guy Fawkes day is about celebrating the fact that he *didn't* blow Parliament up

by 'narratives take a life of your own' what you're basically saying is what the rest of us are saying, which is 'a bunch of teenagers saw V for Vendetta and think he was awesome now' except you're saying it approvingly, which is insane

 

[ReBurn]

details details. Narratives take lives of their own.

Like the Poligaf threads!

 

[ghst]

Guy Fawkes stood up for what he believed in an a government that oppressed an essential part of his identity. If you can't understand why that has made him a folk hero to so many then the issue is your own.

Lol, at "cultured"-gaf quipping "ugh, I hated that movie".

people don't tend to have annual nationwide festivals where they burn effigies of their folk heroes.

even if a violently off-target comic book did stoke some kind of alternate-history nerd fantasy for you, fawkes was a fall guy, a gun for hire. catesby was the seed of the whole thing, but you probably don't even recognize his name - let alone recognize a caricature of his face.

 

[BGBW]

Yes, Remember to turn your clocks back tonight!

Again? Or are you telling us you've been one hour off all week?

Why does no one go round asking for a penny for the guy anymore?

 

[Bloodbeard]

this is literally the dumbest reply possible

you're saying that the facts don't matter

not only this, but he was actually *never* considered a hero, just a terrorist, and Guy Fawkes day is about celebrating the fact that he *didn't* blow Parliament up

by 'narratives take a life of your own' what you're basically saying is what the rest of us are saying, which is 'a bunch of teenagers saw V for Vendetta and think he was awesome now' except you're saying it approvingly, which is insane

Facts really don't matter, and I'm not really concerned with how Guy Fawkes day is celebrated in the UK. But I'm confused with the issue you raise in your last bit. Why is it insane to say that narratives take a life of their own separate from facts, or that meaning and symbolism can be established without or even in spite of historical fact? EDIT: Or that these meanings can be positive even when the actual situation may not have been? Like I said, a life of its own, only tangentially related to reality.

even if a violently off-target comic book did stoke some kind of alternate-history nerd fantasy for you, fawkes was a fall guy, a gun for hire. catesby was the seed of the whole thing, but you probably don't even recognize his name.

I don't read comics and I've never seen V for Vendetta. I'm just sayin'

He was explaining how SOME PEOPLE would consider him a hero, not making that argument himself.

thank you.

 

[BY2K]

Ok Calendar Man.

? We need to go see him today?

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Happy birthday Robert Patrick!

I'm happy I've finally found someone with bigger ears than mine.