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Restaurant checks in the US of A

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Why are you still living in the 80s? I mean the staff is taking your credit card away for processing? I can't split my bill between guests? I have to sign for my credit card? And the worst, I have to manually calculate the tip? What nonsense is this?! I thought it might be just one restaurant but they all work like that!
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
Not all of them, some of them put Tip percentages on checks to help out. Many places I go to ask you how you want the check split. Some places ask me to sign some don't. They do all take my card to run it.

Probably because they haven't had a reason to innovate.
 

Mamofish

Member
Still perfer it over some of the new systems where you order on the website at your table and pay upfront with the expectation of tip before service.
 

jshackles

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I can't split my bill between guests?
They'll either usually ask upfront or will expect you to tell them upfront if the bill will be on separate checks.

Otherwise, I agree with you OP.

Also, you guys still have sit down restaurants? Everything here within 50 miles has moved to delivery or take out only. Everything else has been driven out of business with the constantly changing COVID restrictions.
 

Dural

Member
Still perfer it over some of the new systems where you order on the website at your table and pay upfront with the expectation of tip before service.

Yeah, and it seems everyone wants a tip nowadays even when it's just counter service.

There are a bunch of restaurants that have the tablet at the table that you pay on and it has the ability to split checks and auto add a certain percent to the check.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
They'll either usually ask upfront or will expect you to tell them upfront if the bill will be on separate checks.

Otherwise, I agree with you OP.

Also, you guys still have sit down restaurants? Everything here within 50 miles has moved to delivery or take out only. Everything else has been driven out of business with the constantly changing COVID restrictions.
Didn't find one place that accepred yet.

I'm currently in Hawaii with friends for my 40th birthday, where restaurants are fully open. I live in Ontario and same, you just remove the mask at your table.
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
Yeah, and it seems everyone wants a tip nowadays even when it's just counter service.

There are a bunch of restaurants that have the tablet at the table that you pay on and it has the ability to split checks and auto add a certain percent to the check.
The counter service tip to me is the worst. You took my order and that was it. I don't know why I should tip you.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Not all of them, some of them put Tip percentages on checks to help out. Many places I go to ask you how you want the check split. Some places ask me to sign some don't. They do all take my card to run it.

Probably because they haven't had a reason to innovate.
In Canada it's the norm (at least French Canada) to have individual bills. If you shared dishes, you might have 1/3 pizza, 1/2 garlic fingers depending what you had in your group. Payment is either at the table if the hostess has a portable machine or on your way out at the main counter. You then select the tip amount or percentage on the machine and it calculates automatically, then you enter your card and pin if the amount is over $250 or just tap if less.
 
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KrakenIPA

Member
Why are you still living in the 80s?
I think that back in the 80's the issues that you bring up with progress regarding transactions were considered cutting-edge, and systems that were implemented at that time became stagnate to growth for some reason.
I mean the staff is taking your credit card away for processing?
I suppose this may be to prevent dine-and-dash? Having a CC on file (or physical CC in hand) is a bit of extra security, but it's pretty damn extra, these days.
I can't split my bill between guests?
This might be due to complications with servers juggling tables and bills. Keeping it simple prevents loss of revenue, and depending on the server, garners a larger tip that won't be taxed and/or won't be shared with other servers or host/hostess.
I have to sign for my credit card?
In the future someone may just have to...I don't know...tap their watch on a screen to pay for something. Maybe in like a hundred years.
And the worst, I have to manually calculate the tip?
I usually pay my bill with CC and tip with cash, it keeps it between you and the server (and the cook, hopefully)
What nonsense is this?! I thought it might be just one restaurant but they all work like that!
My sleepy little Pacific Northwest town is stuck in the 80s-90s era, sometimes I hate it, but most of the time I love it. Goonies never say die. Last year we finally got a Wendy's and it was huge news.

I hope you're okay with adapting to life that doesn't progress in some places around this crazy world. Cheers!
 
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chromhound

Member
Why are you still living in the 80s? I mean the staff is taking your credit card away for processing? I can't split my bill between guests? I have to sign for my credit card? And the worst, I have to manually calculate the tip? What nonsense is this?! I thought it might be just one restaurant but they all work like that!
we are too advance for these Americans
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Why are you still living in the 80s? I mean the staff is taking your credit card away for processing?
Several resturants like Olive Garden and Red Robin let you pay at the table using a tablet thingy.
I can't split my bill between guests?
Every single resturant lets you do this. Thats literally how work lunches work.
I have to sign for my credit card? And the worst, I have to manually calculate the tip?

90% of the resturants i go to print pre-calculated tips on the receipts. No idea wtf you are talking about tbh.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Never mind cheque splitting, I think a lot of US places dont even do tap. The terminals require you to insert and type in you code like it's the 90s.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Several resturants like Olive Garden and Red Robin let you pay at the table using a tablet thingy.

Every single resturant lets you do this. Thats literally how work lunches work.


90% of the resturants i go to print pre-calculated tips on the receipts. No idea wtf you are talking about tbh.
Maybe it's an Hawaii thing but no restaurant allowed food splitting so far.

Why print it and add a total when a machine can do it?
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Maybe it's an Hawaii thing but no restaurant allowed food splitting so far.

Why print it and add a total when a machine can do it?
Because they arent forcing a rate on you. you can either tip 10%,15%, 20% or whatever you want. its just a helpful guide so you dont have to do math like you wanted.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Every automatic tip thing I've seen goes by a percentage of the grand total. Tips are supposed to be calculated by the subtotal. You have to calculate it yourself if you don't want to get ripped off.
Yup.

The higher the tax, the more you pay if you do it on the grand total.

Here in Ontario its 13% tax. Add 15% tip on top the the final total and really youre paying about 17%.

Of course no server will ever tell you that.
 

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We split, let women pay. Send bill requests and never pay tips.
 

BigBooper

Member
I felt like a boss but cheap at the same time yesterday. Some places have started adding an extra 3% surcharge saying it's to help with some government requirements on employees or something, but that they will remove it if asked. I'm thinking if you're tired of your idiotic government then vote differently. I'm just a visitor here.

So I got my waitress to remove the $1 extra off my check.
 

Sub_Level

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I felt like a boss but cheap at the same time yesterday. Some places have started adding an extra 3% surcharge saying it's to help with some government requirements on employees or something, but that they will remove it if asked. I'm thinking if you're tired of your idiotic government then vote differently. I'm just a visitor here.

So I got my waitress to remove the $1 extra off my check.

She is probably used to taking care of annoying customers, I wouldn't worry about it.
 

Enjay

Banned
Why are you still living in the 80s? I mean the staff is taking your credit card away for processing? I can't split my bill between guests? I have to sign for my credit card? And the worst, I have to manually calculate the tip? What nonsense is this?! I thought it might be just one restaurant but they all work like that!
Pretty much why I stopped tipping at restaurants. But it ended up being irrelevant anyway as I haven't gone out to eat at a restaurant since early 2019 much to the delight of restaurant workers everywhere.
 

HoodWinked

Member
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more restaurants are starting to use these. I'm a bit bummed people are souring on this aspect of American restaurants it's kind of something that's unique to our culture. You get those stories about those big tips once in awhile and how they change lives, or brightened their day.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
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more restaurants are starting to use these. I'm a bit bummed people are souring on this aspect of American restaurants it's kind of something that's unique to our culture. You get those stories about those big tips once in awhile and how they change lives, or brightened their day.
And how technology prevents that? You can put a grand in tips if you want electronically. If anything it'll remove the pervs, 50% tip, 100% of my tip.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Yeah, why are tips still a thing? Just an excuse for restaurants to pay their staff peanuts.
And for servers to pretend they make zero money.

I was a both a busboy and a waiter in the early-mid 90s. And a busboy is lower than a waiter. Even 30 years ago clearing tables and hauling garbage and bins of dirty plates I was making around $12/hr after I factor in hourly wage and tips (which the waiters controlled).

The second I started working as a waiter PT, I was averaging a solid $20-30/hr and a lot more tips back then were cash which you just pocketed. And back then more people paid 10%. At some point, tips got edged up to 15% and now they want 20%.

And the funny thing about waiters and servers complaining about cheap bosses and customers, the servers are the CHEAPEST fucks you'll ever meet. When my busboy shift was done (this job does all the hard dirty tasks as fast as possible), they'd give me like $20 for my shift split from 3 servers working that area. So they literally gave me like $6.66 each across 5 hours. So each of them literally gave me about $1.30/hr of their tips to do all the grungy tasks while they served food and poured water.

I was thinking maybe they dont get a lot of tips, so $20 isnt so bad. But then when I became a waiter, that fucking tip can they'd hide in the top shelf was overflowing with money. And that didnt even include credit card tip. Yes, youd give a bit to the staff up front, but there was still plenty. Sometimes I'd get even $10 and one of them would show me the tin can and there wasnt a big haul that night. Then I'd think to myself well, what about the credit card tips that dont show up in the can? I'm not that stupid.

Shifts were only about 5 hours each as restaurants dont need you for 8 hrs straight (at least the place I worked at never had that), but everyone was pulling in around $150 (hourly + tips) for a 5 hr dinner shift, especially weekends when it was busier. And this was 25+ years ago.

So any server claiming they are dead broke, their restaurant has no customers or the cheapest customers ever is likely lying. They all claim that. You'll never get one that says you can make decent money as a server at the right place.
 
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Tschumi

Member
Here's an idea... Food costs what it costs on the menu and restaurants pay their staff fair wages! Wahey...

what's that you say? it means the staff won't be polite to earn their tip? welcome to the rest of the world guys, and it's not like the states are a heaven of kindness to strangers anyway !
 
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GeekyDad

Gold Member
Here's an idea... Food costs what it costs on the menu and restaurants pay their staff fair wages! Wahey...

what's that you say? it means the staff won't be polite to earn their tip? welcome to the rest of the world guys, and it's not like the states are a heaven of kindness to strangers anyway !
There's some truth to what you're saying, I think. But I don't think that's the incentive of the employers. And if you think of it in terms of retail or any other job that requires customer service where tips don't factor into the equation, a good wage makes a difference for most folks and their level of customer service.
 

Tschumi

Member
There's some truth to what you're saying, I think. But I don't think that's the incentive of the employers. And if you think of it in terms of retail or any other job that requires customer service where tips don't factor into the equation, a good wage makes a difference for most folks and their level of customer service.
I'm sorry could you rephrase that second point about "retail or any other job"? I'm a bit tired lol didn't quite get what you mean
 

GeekyDad

Gold Member
I'm sorry could you rephrase that second point about "retail or any other job"? I'm a bit tired lol didn't quite get what you mean
I just mean that any job that requires customer interactions that is either salary or hourly and tips are not an option, their pay usually is a big component of the quality of the customer service.
 

Tschumi

Member
I just mean that any job that requires customer interactions that is either salary or hourly and tips are not an option, their pay usually is a big component of the quality of the customer service.
Oh yeah true that.. in Australia the minimum wage is, i dunno last time i was looking for jobs there in like 2015 or something it was maybe $16 an hour.. it might be around $20 or something now... It's a healthy minimum wage.. problem is most businesses probably struggle to sell the thousands of dollars of stock required to cover those wages for multiple employees, so everything costs too much... So even higher wages don't really lessen anybody's stress lol unless they're determined to not be materialistic... Everyone's still a wanker lol you haven't had coffee until it's been served to you by a 6ft3 blonde who is pissed at you for having the impertinence to order it
 
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RoboFu

One of the green rats
Eh most moderate restaurants like chili’s, outback, Applebee’s all use the table screens here. They are annoying while you eat but handy when it comes to paying.
 

TonyK

Member
I don't understand those "mandatory" tips. They do their work, why do they deserve a tip for doing the base task they are paid for? Also, the worst waiters I faced where in a travel to San Francisco. I was advised to give tips and I did it in all restaurants, but they generally didn't deserve it. In Spain, where I live, waiters are a lot better and they are not tip hungry.

I tip a waiter when they do something above regular, but making it mandatory has no sense. If they want to earn more, better claim to your employer not to costumers.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Tipping is a beggar mentality in the west. As as some of you said above, even counter service have tip jars. Hell, go to a convenience store and they'll probably have one hoping you tip them $1 while buying a pack of gum.

When I was in Hong Kong way back, I tried to offload some coins at a bakery (HK coins are oddly big and weigh down your pockets). I tried to dump off about $2 CDN worth of HK coins to an old lady.

She took my hand and put the coins back in my hand. She didnt want any part of it. I have never once seen anyone not wanting leftover change or tip in Canada. Once they see you take out some money, it's vulture eyes.

If this was a fucking gas station down the street, the guy would had pocketed like he was entitled to customers tipping him.

Totally different set of mentality. And lets face it. It's not like the old bakery lady is rolling in the money. But that's the difference between some countries and places like US and Canada where it's a money grubbing every man for himself attitude.

Anything for a grimey dollar.
 
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DarkestHour

Banned
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more restaurants are starting to use these. I'm a bit bummed people are souring on this aspect of American restaurants it's kind of something that's unique to our culture. You get those stories about those big tips once in awhile and how they change lives, or brightened their day.

I'd like these more if they weren't so huge and were cleaned. They're typically covered in absolutely vile shit from other customers not using napkins before touching them.
 
I absolutely hate that whole tipping mentality in North America, if you provide exceptional service sure, but if turned round grabbed a beer, slammed it on the counter and expect me to pay extra for it... Fuck off, it felt like every cunt was expecting a tip anytime I holidayed over there for just doing their fucking job
 

Coolwhhip

Neophyte
Do all Americans still walk around with paper money and coins in their pocket all day so they can tip everyone?
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
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more restaurants are starting to use these. I'm a bit bummed people are souring on this aspect of American restaurants it's kind of something that's unique to our culture. You get those stories about those big tips once in awhile and how they change lives, or brightened their day.

Those kiosk suck.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Those kiosk suck.
I've never seen one of those.

Aside from some restaurants doing sales on tablets (like a Japanese buffet), when it comes to paying the bill its just the server bringing over the credit card terminal doing people one by one, unless the table says keep it on one bill or combine two people into one etc....
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
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more restaurants are starting to use these. I'm a bit bummed people are souring on this aspect of American restaurants it's kind of something that's unique to our culture. You get those stories about those big tips once in awhile and how they change lives, or brightened their day.
Canada is the same as USA. Taxi, hotel luggage guy, waiters, convenience store tip jar etc.... Exact same.

Reason why people dont like it (I'm included) is because:

1. Entitlement for tips. Even if they do a shitty job, the expectation is gimme tips

2. Even for things that dont even involve traditional service jobs wanting tips now (the guy at the gas station working cash and selling you lottery tix with a tip jar)

3. Waiters get paid more than you think. I was one about 30 years ago. The hourly rate is shit (I think our hourly wage was $2 below normal min wage), but after tips the total pay per hour is nice. Wont make you a millionaire, but trust me they way more than a fry cook. And more cash tips the better because you just pocket it. Every waiter claims they are dirt poor, their place gets zero customers and every customer tips nothing so they play the pity game hoping everyone treats them like a GoFundMe page. Total fucking liars

4. Somehow the tip rates have increased. Was 10% back then, then 15%, now expectation is 20% (or more). It's not like service has improved 50% or 100%, so whats with the tip % hike?

5. If anything they've done less work. Back then, taking orders and doing bills was a lot more manual and required more walking around as people paid cash so it's an extra trip to bring back change. They also had those god awful carbon paper CC gadgets where you get the pink copy thing which were a pain in the ass

6. It's not even a hard job. If I could be a busboy and waiter later on when I was in late high school and did it fine, it cant be the hardest job in the world. I'd say the hardest part was memorizing the menu, and taking orders without a note pad
 
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