Retro Studios on why they didn't do dual analog in Metroid.
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RevenantKioku
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Scrow said:
They won't, but whatever. Took me little time to get used to it anyways.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Scrow said:
I'm not in love with the game itself, but I never saw a problem with the controls.
I never really had a problem making the transition from traditional console FPS control to Metroid Prime's. Just as Retro said, it's NOT a traditional FPS. The control for the game, after the initial learning curve, felt pretty natural to me and I'm hoping they keep it approximately the same in the sequel. It'll be nice to pick that game up and feel at home with locking-on, etc.
TheGreenGiant
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can we lock this thread now? I think nothing more could be said.
cheerio
cheerio
i guess if i was an FPS fan, i would've bitched about the controls, but i never had a problem with them. People seem to think that because the game plays moslty in the first person view and you shoot a lot that it should have FPS controls, but the focus is moreso on exploration than it is on accurate shooting.
It would still be really cool if they did include a standard dual analog setup. If not just to ssquelch the haters, to see how feasible it would be. Weapons and visors would probably share the D-pad.
It would still be really cool if they did include a standard dual analog setup. If not just to ssquelch the haters, to see how feasible it would be. Weapons and visors would probably share the D-pad.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Deg said:
gamers like you should quit gaming ...
it takes you step by step, through the controls just like a tutorial at the beggening of the game ..
at the end or something.SyNapSe said:
Thank you. I'd say that 90% of the people I know who play FPS games feel this way. It didn't ruin the game and, in all honesty, wasn't even the games biggest flaw, but there were certainly many better control scheme options that included natural freelook. The MP control scheme is just .. awkward and unnatural in first person.
It was only one of the elements that drove me crazy about that game, the other big one being the shitty AI. The game should have been in 3rd person, the lack of dual analog is just irresponsible, they know it is an issue with many gamers yet still refuse to even offer the option. Stupid!
Culex said:So, what do you think the biggest flaw was?
No story interaction - it was basically only presented if you scanned everything and read the text. Same thing that sucked about lots of other games (like Doom 3 and the stupid PDA). I understand that it goes with the empty, derelict planet feel, but I would like a bit more of an interactive story.
Plus I hated the whole "enemies only visible in certain visors" thing. If they did that, they should have at least made it logical.
Whatever. I don't see how difficult it would be to just throw in an optional dual-analog setup for those of us who can't stand the original setup. If the dual analog does not work well in the context of the game, at least they can go "See? I told you so!"
I was prepared to fork out the money for MP2E if it had dual analog despite the huge amount of games coming out this hols (I'm a 3-consoles owner who has a gaming PC, so you can imagine.....) but now I guess not. If they want to be obstinate about things then Nintendo and Retro can go screw itself if MP2E does not sell well this hols......
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I was prepared to fork out the money for MP2E if it had dual analog despite the huge amount of games coming out this hols (I'm a 3-consoles owner who has a gaming PC, so you can imagine.....) but now I guess not. If they want to be obstinate about things then Nintendo and Retro can go screw itself if MP2E does not sell well this hols......
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Nerevar said:
There was nothing wrong with the story. I'm not going to defend the scanning aspect, but if you took the time to do it, you were rewarded with a great plot and some nice tidbits of info from earlier Metroid games. Other than that, you don't need a huge story in a game like this. The game pretty much unfolds itself as you traverse the planet. It's Metroid afterall.
There was nothing wrong with the visors and not seeing the enemies. The only major enemies you couldn't see were the Chozo Spirits and one Omega Pirate boss, and all you needed was the damn cool X-Ray visor to see them.
aoi tsuki said:
easy, left control stick is move forward / back and strafe. Right control stick is freelook. Have a "trigger" button (ideally the same as the lock-on button) that, when pressed, allows you to use the right control stick to switch visors. Otherwise, right control stick looks left / right / up / down (except, as noted before, when locked on - it changes visors). I don't understand why this would be so hard to implement, and would work wonders for the playability of the game IMO.
culex said:
I wasn't complaining about it - I just thought it wasn't a very creative way to present it. Compared to other high-profile FPS games, the method of "scan things to read story text" is somewhat antiquated. I wish they could've been more creative in it's presentation, that's all.
culex said:
I agree, but I don't think it was handled well, or logically. It would have been cool if they had done something that made logical sense (like an enemy that hides underground or something that you can "see" it's skeleton with the x-ray visor and avoid it). Once again, not a major problem, just I wish they could've been a bit more creative.
In case you can't tell, my complaints with the game are all pretty minor. It's a great game that has a few flaws that make it not perfect in my eyes. You don't have to go into rabid fanboy defense mode just because I won't admit it's perfect.
Nerevar said:
Spot on.
In combat, I felt EXTREMELY limited by the controls and it bothered me a lot. I don't like feeling vulnerable in a game because of the way the controls are setup. And I put in at least 6 to 8 hours before I gave up completely so don't bitch about how some of us never gave the game "a chance".
borghe said:
No you don't. You don't care about the damn game, why even bother fabricating something like that?
The actual core gameplay of Halo would not be fully functional if they were to use the Prime style control scheme. Prime's gameplay was DESIGNED around the control scheme they used, Halo was not and would not work properly with it.
How would you jump? The Z button?!Nerevar said:
Considering jumping is like 80% of the game....No sir I don't like it
what about weapons? They'll need a button now. Then that offsets ball-mode and missle.
Missles have to stay where they are cause they have to work in conjunction with A. So what, hit start to go into ball mode? No sire I don't like it.
BS. They personally can feel however they want about the controls, but adding the option for a different control scheme would have been extremely easy, and they knew people wanted that option, whether they read forums or not, it was mentioned in just about every single review of the game. They didn't have to permanently change the control scheme, but the option for a different one would have been great.
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Maybe it has something to do with the Japaneses problem with FPS and motion sickness? More probably the reason was the fact that this control scheme is "original" and Nintendo doesn't want to be seen as "copying" other companies even at the expense of a dying console. Whatever it is, I definitely smell the familiar fragrant stink of Nintendo Exec hands on this raw deal. Like reeky, hairy hands filled with pus, bubbling with disease, with loose bits of rotting flesh dangling- handling and massaging month old raw bloody meat seeping with maggots and waiting to be fed to a now almost nonexistant pack of wolves possessed by hunger, thirst, and brand loyalty. It's feeding time again boys, soon Iwata will give you your precious again, been awhile since you ate last, eh?
drohne said:
Ding Ding Ding! And we have a correct answer!
Maybe it has something to do with the Japaneses problem with FPS and motion sickness? More probably the reason was the fact that this control scheme is "original" and Nintendo doesn't want to be seen as "copying" other companies even at the expense of a dying console. Whatever it is, I definitely smell the familiar fragrant stink of Nintendo Exec hands on this raw deal. Like reeky, hairy hands filled with pus, bubbling with disease, with loose bits of rotting flesh dangling- handling and massaging month old raw bloody meat seeping with maggots and waiting to be fed to a now almost nonexistant pack of wolves possessed by hunger, thirst, and brand loyalty. It's feeding time again boys, soon Iwata will give you your precious again, been awhile since you ate last, eh?
aoi tsuki said:
Same setup as Halo. Replace grenade button (Left Trigger) with Jump. Now there would only be the D-pad which can be used for the selection of visors and weapon. So this can be circumvented by assigning one of the ABXY buttons to toggle between visors and weapons. With such a control scheme, I don't see how the game experience would change in anyway.
The reason given by Retro sounded awfully lame. The best gaming companies in the world (ideally speaking) listen to their fans and implement things that the fans want and not give lameshit reasons for not doing something which a substantial portion of the userbase wants.....
Che said:
When it's not in first person and there isn't any shooting. I mean, honestly, that's the style of gameplay used in the game. You can say everything you want about it being a first-person adventure game or whatever bullshit Nintendo is feeding you this week but it simply isn't the case. Just like the original Metroid games were platformers, this one is a first person shooter regardless of any "exploration" you might do.
Can anyone honestly tell me the game wouldn't have played better with standard FPS controls? Exactly what actions would you not be able to do?
I really don't think a dual analog scheme would allow for smooth gameplay when fighting the types of enemies presented in the game. They attack very different from your traditional FPS.
When you add in the fact that you often need to jump around various platforms while fighting these enemies, I don't think it would work too terribly well.
I don't think the Cube triggers would function well as action buttons either.
When you add in the fact that you often need to jump around various platforms while fighting these enemies, I don't think it would work too terribly well.
I don't think the Cube triggers would function well as action buttons either.
Tenguman said:
Look, it clearly isn't 100% thought it, but you get the gist of the idea. It really doesn't intrude on the current control scheme at all except maybe adding an extra split-second to weapon switching or visor switching as you hold down a trigger key. The basic keys of the game wouldn't have to be remapped at all.
And I think the lock-on is important in this game, that's why I was suggesting something that is a hybrid of free-look and lock on control. Unlike most people, I care more about natural freelook while moving than about dual-control in combat.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Just give us the gotdamn option!!!1
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