Retro Studios working on fucking Donkey Kong
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Pancakes R Us
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I don't think so, because Prime is the game of the forever. Whilst DKCR is awesome, I think some we've seen enough Nintendo 2D platformer a to get a break for a while. That and the fact that Retro could probably make a visually stunning 3D game on Wii U but is essentially making (what will no doubt be) a great game that visually doesn't look far removed from the game a few years ago.
ViewtifulJC
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We're getting plenty of 3D games on Steam and Wii/Wii U, too
Is there a point to this besides "2D is inherently worse/cheaper than 3D, and therefore should be sub-$20 bucks on e-shops" shit all the other half-wits were saying when Rayman Origins came out
You guys need to understand something. Metroid Prime is not objectively better than DKCR. It's not. 3D games are not inherently better than 2D games. And most importantly - Nintendo is pleasing more people by making DK games than by making Metroid games, and I'm not sure if you noticed, but this WiiU console kind of needs to please more people.
Only military shooters are real games.
What?
ElectricBlanketFire
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I know you're speaking about the general audience, but I would buy a Wii U today if a Metroid title by Retro was announced.
KeeSomething
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Nicely stated.
I definitely prefer a new DK to a new Metroid. The Prime games were getting steadily worse, while DKCR was the best 2D platformer I've played since Super Mario World. It's clear Retro was running out of ideas with Metroid yet they seem adamant they can one-up the last DKC game.
If I didn't like DKCR, I'd probably be bummed too.
It is a little disappointing that they're not doing something brand new, but oh well. Everything they've made has been great, even with different teams, so I trust them to deliver high quality content, no matter what it is.
Here's hoping they really go bonkers after DKC:TF is done though. I do want to see new things out of this group!
It is a little disappointing that they're not doing something brand new, but oh well. Everything they've made has been great, even with different teams, so I trust them to deliver high quality content, no matter what it is.
Here's hoping they really go bonkers after DKC:TF is done though. I do want to see new things out of this group!
Gamers, at least the non-corporate apologists, do not care what's best for the company though. They care about what interests them. Some people aren't interested in DKCR. I definitely would have taken Metroid over DK any day, but I'm fine with DKCR2.
I think he worded it wrong. The wii u is getting too many platformers this year. Platformers are nice but i would like some more variety and this year the only genres in which the games i am getting seem to be platformer or adventure for the wii u.
If possible i would rather have mario kart this holiday season than dkcr2 Super Mario 3d world for example
GrotesqueBeauty
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1.5 million seller = Ace in the hole
5 million seller = Mega disappointment
Makes sense.
SporeCrawler
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On the other hand if you look at the general market it is flooded with shooters.
It is better to get that "we have a platform with games you dont get on other platforms, like platformers" vibe than trying to get ont he shooter boat with a niche shooter title that isnt an online multiplayer shooter and that wasnt very succesful (unfortunately) saleswise.
Well, this is downright idiotic. If Nintendo prospers there are better chances of getting the games you want from them. Nintendo struggling with WiiU isn't going to give me a lot of Kirby games, that's for sure.
Not to mention we DKCR fans are gamers as well. I think.
Carpe Libertatem
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Well, besides action games (W101) and RTS (Pikmin 3, which is basically the only game of its kind on consoles), yeah. But even with platformers 2D and 3D are pretty different types of games. The notion that Wii U is only getting platformers or mostly platformers isn't really true. It's getting two 2D and two 3D ones and half of those are from third parties.
evilromero
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Why is this so hard for some to understand? Nobody is arguing that DKCR isn't fun. Rather, many of us feel sorely let down by not getting a game that lives up to Retro's potential. Nobody should ever take this stuff personally. It's a matter of opinion.
Not really. They can choose to do what they want but if you're backing their decision just because they're more prosperous as a result, that's more idiotic. I see nothing wrong with people who want Metroid Prime or whatever.
Edit: I never said they weren't gamers...obviously.
That's not how real life works. WiiU is not in a situation where Nintendo can just do whatever they want and call it a day. You don't have to agree with this, but it's smarter to put out a DKCR game than a Metroid game at this point. And a TON of gamers support this decision (with our wallets, BTW).
Including the titles previously released and the ones on e-shop its a pretty decent amount, especially in regards to the major titles for the first year of wii u. Like i said theres nothing wrong with platformers and to be honest if it were to get decent third party support i would be welcoming it
I also do know that they all play differently i've beaten dkcr, nsmbu and been playing rayman legends app which is a ton of fun, 3d platformers are a completely different experience.
I meant they can make decisions that can benefit them in the long run and we don't have to like it. Obviously, they always look in what's their best interest first and foremost. I never said a ton of gamers don't support DKCR. Hell, I'm buying it because I want it. I'm just saying the people who don't want DKCR don't necessarily care what the company wants. They care more about their interest and if DKCR falls under your interest then good for you. It doesn't happen to fall under everyone's interest. They simply don't care that it would make Nintendo more money.
littlebirdtoldme
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the last donkey kong game was to hard for me
Fantastical
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We'll see. I really don't think this game will move a ton of units (of Wii U's). Mario will do that. Metroid would go for an entirely different crowd. It wouldn't have sold as much, but maybe different people would have bought the system.
evilromero
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We'll see if this is the case. Going by your framework, New Mario Bros. U should have been a massive success. We've already argued to death that the Wii U is missing its catalyst title like Wii Sports, which is a big part of its poor sales. Part of the reason the Wii U needed something big and grand from Retro is because there is nothing big and grand on the system. Let's face it- DKCRTF may or may not sell well. We cannot count on the same numbers its predecessor did. But in exchange for getting this game, Nintendo has stunted the excitement and enthusiasm of the core gamers.
They're putting an easy mode (more lives and special items for falls/chariots/rockets) if you're having trouble.
Agreed. I don't think DKCR is a console seller. They'll probably sell about the same, if not more, as DKCR in the long run. Short-term, I don't think so. Not to mention that the Wii had a pretty large install base by the time DKCR came out.
I reckon it'll have a pretty good attach rate. But yeah, let's see
BTW if DK is not a system seller, there's no way, absolutely NO way Metroid is. Metroid isn't a huge seller even on consoles with big install bases.
RawkHawk2010
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With the mass-exodus of Retro dudes over the past few years, have you people ever thought that maybe Retro isn't capable of the mindblowing Monolith Soft-esque undertaking everyone had pictured in their heads? If it has taken them three years to do a DKCR sequel springboarding off the previous game's general formula, then perhaps they're not capable of what people had in mind?
Tropical Freeze may very well be the extent of their current abilities. (And that's more than fine by me, 'cuz they're using them fantastically well.)
Good man.
Tropical Freeze may very well be the extent of their current abilities. (And that's more than fine by me, 'cuz they're using them fantastically well.)
Good man.
I reckon it'll have a pretty good attach rate. But yeah, let's see
BTW if DK is not a system seller, there's no way, absolutely NO way Metroid is. Metroid isn't a huge seller even on consoles with big install bases.
Metroid definitely isn't. No way. I just think the crowd it would attract would be different from the NSMBU, 3D Mario, Mario Kart crowd which would add diversity to a console that needs it.
I think they're capable of anything. Just look at how Nintendo flipped NLG around
evilromero
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I reckon it'll have a pretty good attach rate. But yeah, let's see
BTW if DK is not a system seller, there's no way, absolutely NO way Metroid is. Metroid isn't a huge seller even on consoles with big install bases.
I think you have a bit too much faith and I'm saying this purely on what I've seen as far as Wii U sales are concerned. No hopefulness or anything on my part. I'd rather see more variety on the system sooner and get a game like DKCR a bit later. In fact, I would have been happy to see an epic Donkey Kong 3D platformer from Retro. I think that would have surprised many people. Nintendo needs buzz and a little bit of good will towards the Wii U right now.
Sammy Samusu
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Retro Studios is working on yet another Nintendo kiddy 2D game and you guys expect us to be happy?
I don't think you noticed, but New Mario of 26million fame did diddly squat. People don't buy a console to play the same 2D platformer as last time.
Rovio is pleasing more people with Angry Birds, isn't going to sell any smartphones.
^ Dimishing returns, of course, but if DKCR3D is doing pretty well in Japan and America I think this game will do fine as well. And really, lol if you think Metroid would sell better than either this game or NSMBU.
See, I'm obviously not saying we shouldn't get a Metroid Prime, and I'm all for variety, really. But see 3DS - before we got Fire Emblem or Animal Crossing we had to get Mario. Mario's role is to drive sales and probably even funding other games. Of course DK is not Mario by any means, but both versions of DKCR have pulled off pretty great numbers and it'll resonate with the people who will be picking up a WiiU later this year when 3D World hits the stores. So I'm not expecting it to set WiiU on fire, but I think it's going to be a very profitable project for Nintendo on top of being a great game that appeals to a ton of us.
evilromero
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I reckon it'll have a pretty good attach rate. But yeah, let's see
BTW if DK is not a system seller, there's no way, absolutely NO way Metroid is. Metroid isn't a huge seller even on consoles with big install bases.
Metroid may not have sold more, but I can tell you right now it would have attracted a lot of buzz and attention from the core gamer, which is something Nintendo really needs. They are not reaching the casual gamer like they used to and let's be honest- they have plenty of titles to fill the role that DKCR is playing. We have Super Luigi U (and NSMBU) and Mario 3D World along with whatever third party stuff like Rayman. Nintendo needs variety more than anything. It is the spice of life after all and gamers appreciate diverse experiences. Maybe I'm wrong, and DKCR will just blow the doors off the Wii U and we'll be having a different conversation. It's fun to speculate at least.
Retro Studios is working on yet another Nintendo kiddy 2D game and you guys expect us to be happy?
Sure as fuck is better than adding another game to the pile of "mature" FPS games flooding the market right now.
You're arguing this backwards. The Metroid games don't sell as much with big casual install bases yes, but unlike the bridge Mario or DK games they do shift consoles. A lot of core gamers really want to play the next Metroid. DK, not so much.I reckon it'll have a pretty good attach rate. But yeah, let's see
BTW if DK is not a system seller, there's no way, absolutely NO way Metroid is. Metroid isn't a huge seller even on consoles with big install bases.
Are comparing Metroid Prime to CoD and Battlefield?
How do you know Metroid shifts consoles? Do you have any proof of this? When has it happened?
At the same time you can't prove that DKCR2 will shift consoles either. The Wii had a pretty good install base worldwide when DKCR came out. I think he's trying to say that a Metroid game would attract a different crowd that the Wii U probably needs.
Carpe Libertatem
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Just how many more consoles do you think a Metroid game would shift - given the series' performance on both the Gamecube and Wii - compared to a Donkey Kong game?
The only thing I really wished they did for DKCR and DKCR2 was bring back the tag teams gameplay. I don't like that diddy kong is only used for his jet back. Plus now that we have dixie, both of their moves become redundant. Also bring back the animal buddies and things like the DK coin. I loved collecting them.
Oh and better bonus challenges and enemy design (DKR2 seems to be fixing the latter).
Oh and better bonus challenges and enemy design (DKR2 seems to be fixing the latter).
I already addressed this. I don't think DK will set WiiU on fire, but overall will be a much more profitable project than a Metroid game.
Fair enough. However, I personally think a Metroid title would have been nice this holiday season as opposed to DKCR. I wouldn't have minded them holding of DKCR2 until next year.
Porcile
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Wow - that's a lot of conjecture! I think people really overestimate the pulling power of Metroid in this day and age.
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thepotatoman
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Completely agree, I don't care how many people act like this statement is somehow crazy. Retro Studios can make system selling stuff, but another left to right 2D platformer is not that.
New Super Mario Bros U, New Super Luigi U, Rayman, Yarn Yoshi, and the probable eventual Kirby game will be more than enough satisfy that genre on the Wii U. Even Super Mario 3D World scratches that itch given the very 2D linear style they've taken with the level design.
I do assume you mean 2D platformer when you say 2D though. I mean I would be happy if it were something like a 2D adventure, or puzzler, or hack and slash, or shooter instead.
w1gglyjones
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The idea that Retro was a studio that was "fully staffed and capable of a AAA console experience" similar to Sony making a God of War or Uncharted or TLoU or Bioshock Infinite or Tomb Raider...
yeah, that idea was created in the minds of gamers, not Nintendo or Retro. You hyped Retro.
Not saying that they can't or couldn't do it... but even Nintendo's Japanese studios could do that.
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