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Toytown Assassin
Member
1st 3 episodes were about the same 'quality' but episode 4 is a total stinker 2 out of 10 episode and it only gets the 2 for making me laugh at how bad it is a few times.
Ironbunny
Member
Yea its mind blowing how stupidly it is made. They could easily make it make sense yet instead they choose this.
The viewer needs to detach themself from reality or rational thinking to make it somewhat make sense here. But to actually write this and then film it...and think you did a great job...WTF.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
First 3 episodes were amazing, way better than season 1.
Some of you just get so bent out of shape over shit I just don’t care about. Having every dwarf be the same ethnicity just wouldn’t change anything for me lol
Some of you just get so bent out of shape over shit I just don’t care about. Having every dwarf be the same ethnicity just wouldn’t change anything for me lol
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Insane Metal
Member
As I said before, I know nothing about the books so I don't give a fuck about being honest to the material or not. I thought S1 was ok and the first 3 episodes in S2 were very good, apart from the baby orc scene which doesn't really make sense IMO. Other than that,
Oberstein
Member
Some of the criticisms are quite accurate. They point out problems with the lore and numerous storytelling issues. After all, you're right, you have to be fair and weigh up the positive and negative points, because not everything in this series is bad.
But it could have been so much better, and especially without having to put so much dough on the table. A few points that annoy me:
- Galadriel and Arondir are like main characters in anime, they're the only ones who do pirouettes in every direction. The other elves, especially in this episode 4, seem heavy and barely move. This was already the case with Legolas, and it's frankly not a good idea in PJ's trilogy.
- The callbacks. In an attempt to win over fans, they make references to Jackson's trilogy - a little too many, in fact. I'd like to see more of the spirit of the books and less of the films.
- Too many fillers, there are already too many storylines scattered all over the place. At some point, something big is going to happen in Numenor, but we never spend any time there. As a result, nobody likes this section when it should be essential.
- Too many pretexts for drama: Galadriel and Elrond, for example. Out of nowhere and unnecessarily.
- Turning the creation order of the rings upside down is the biggest bullshit of the series.
- Isildur has the charisma of an oyster...
- Elves don't look like elves (apart from Cirdan and a few others).
- Diversity so over-exaggerated it's ridiculous. The elf team is the perfect example, and it's so overdone that it irritates people. We're talking about a medieval fantasy world with a powerful emphasis on geography and lineage, not a vision of New York or California.
It's a shame, because I find the general aesthetic really pleasing, some good scenes (Annatar, the dwarves, etc.), good actors (not always well served by the text), better pacing, successful prosthetics for the orcs, a very nice soundtrack, etc. But I'll wait for my judgment on the last 4 episodes, and maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. Who knows?
Mossybrew
Member
Yeah I've been feeling absolutely zero motivation to watch this new season. Maybe I'll come back around to it when I'm desperate for something to watch.
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Revolutionary
Member
Amazon is so desperate for viewers that Rings of Power shot up to the top of my "Continue watching" list despite not even finishing the first season nearly 2 years ago
The other 3 (top row) were within the last month and suddenly this crap shows up... I'm onto you, Amazon.
The other 3 (top row) were within the last month and suddenly this crap shows up... I'm onto you, Amazon.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Spoil me for today's episode, they really kill him off?
No, I wasn’t referring to any main character.
Melon Husk
Member
Episode 2 takes:
Cirdan is like cut content from PJ's LOTR trilogy. He's the first elf who looks and talks like he belongs to Middle-Earth.
It was most apprent when he was giving an epic speech to Elrond while shaving. Elrond in contrast stands awkwardly behind him in hunched nerd posture, fists clenched. These guys need posture training. I've seen bad posture break the illusion in other fantasy shows too.
Episode 2 was too close for comfort with Star Wars TV shows. We have a sith lord, his masked henchman (Mandalorian or whatever), walking in the desert (Tatooine), tusken raiders, rebel alliance planning over their star map (elf council) and on and on....
I said in in season 1 thread and I'll say it again: fire the editor. My brain is fried from switching up the subplot every 10 minutes when it doesn't make sense from a pacing perspective.
edit: Galadriel had a nice dress. They changed it from ep 1.
Cirdan is like cut content from PJ's LOTR trilogy. He's the first elf who looks and talks like he belongs to Middle-Earth.
It was most apprent when he was giving an epic speech to Elrond while shaving. Elrond in contrast stands awkwardly behind him in hunched nerd posture, fists clenched. These guys need posture training. I've seen bad posture break the illusion in other fantasy shows too.
Episode 2 was too close for comfort with Star Wars TV shows. We have a sith lord, his masked henchman (Mandalorian or whatever), walking in the desert (Tatooine), tusken raiders, rebel alliance planning over their star map (elf council) and on and on....
I said in in season 1 thread and I'll say it again: fire the editor. My brain is fried from switching up the subplot every 10 minutes when it doesn't make sense from a pacing perspective.
edit: Galadriel had a nice dress. They changed it from ep 1.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Mixed feelings on this weeks episode.
It was entertaining enough but it was distracting how heavily lifted the plot was from In the House of Tom Bombadil and Fog on the Barrowdowns. Basically transposed the plot of these chapters into second age clumsily.
Tom was okay. But lacked the whimsy and was too "aware" and caring about the world.
Also damn, the night time cinematography fucking sucks. Its way too dark. I can turn up my brightness but it makes everyrhing else washed out.
It was entertaining enough but it was distracting how heavily lifted the plot was from In the House of Tom Bombadil and Fog on the Barrowdowns. Basically transposed the plot of these chapters into second age clumsily.
Tom was okay. But lacked the whimsy and was too "aware" and caring about the world.
Also damn, the night time cinematography fucking sucks. Its way too dark. I can turn up my brightness but it makes everyrhing else washed out.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Just started this new season and it's not bad so far (2 episodes in). They better deliver on the epic battles that they hint at in the 'this season on' trailer. That was my biggest disappointment with the first season, they lacked anything really epic other than the volcano.
Also - the fact that they aren't trying to fool us over who is Sauron has definitely helped some of the characters be less boring.
Also - the fact that they aren't trying to fool us over who is Sauron has definitely helped some of the characters be less boring.
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Revolutionary
Member
That describes a lot of modern productions, unfortunately. Part of the reason why I stopped watching House of the Dragon S1 is because no one knew how to light the goddamn sets
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
Its with all these lists for every streaming service. 'top in your country' for every new release lol.Amazon is so desperate for viewers that Rings of Power shot up to the top of my "Continue watching" list despite not even finishing the first season nearly 2 years ago
The other 3 (top row) were within the last month and suddenly this crap shows up... I'm onto you, Amazon.
Melon Husk
Member
Got nothing to say about ep 3, real snoozefest that one. If only they focused on one storyline per episode, if only... gah.
There's unwarranted abuse toward royalty and it's happened on three separate occasions now.
In episode 4 we started veering into the clownish territory again.
On a positive note, our main protagonist Galadriel hasn't done anything cringe this season.
There's unwarranted abuse toward royalty and it's happened on three separate occasions now.
In episode 4 we started veering into the clownish territory again.
On a positive note, our main protagonist Galadriel hasn't done anything cringe this season.
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Insane Metal
Member
So good
Ulysses 31
Member
Tams
Member
I'm not bent out of shape, I'm just tired of this shite.
It's that they've very clearly made this a diversity thing in casting and direction. The story, logic, and acting skill be screwed; they want you to know they are diverse.
I don't reward such shit.
_Idea_of_Evil_
Member
They should have just done faithful adaptations of specific chapters from The Silmarillion as self-contained stories/seasons like True Detective. Could have been so much better.
Hopefully LotR: The War of the Rohirrim delivers.
Hopefully LotR: The War of the Rohirrim delivers.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
No. Amazon would have made a complete mess of that. In fact, that's one book I hope never gets an adaptation. Some things should remain sacred.
It has the same problem with this series. It's not based on a book, which means the writers can go full fan fiction mode and make a mess of Tolkien's world.
Musashipan
Member
So sad they can't keep it true to Tolkiens work
Imagine if PJ had 1 billion dollars to make the series, same way he did with Lotrs.
Imagine if PJ had 1 billion dollars to make the series, same way he did with Lotrs.
PJ definitely took liberties as well, though he reigned in the most egregious ones (pushing Arwen all over the place). He did nail a visual aesthetic and captured a lot of the emotional themes of the books. But by no means are the LOTR films word accurate to the books, nor do I want them to be as the different mediums do require slightly different approaches.
But RoP is sooooooooo far off reservation, plus S1 was just BAD, not just a bad Tolkien adaptation, but a dull, insipid, sloppy mess period. The Harfoots were completely useless, all the crap with the Numenoreans was a pale shadow of that they should have been, and the less Galadrial the better.
Ulysses 31
Member
They needed the Numenoreans to be a mere shell of what they are in the book so Galadriel could come along and show them how to fight.
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"Those immortal angelic beings with superhuman skills are coming to take our jerbs!!!!"They needed the Numenoreans to be a mere shell of what they are in the book so Galadriel could come along and show them how to fight.
_Idea_of_Evil_
Member
Yes, some things should remain sacred, but I still think there would be less likelihood of Amazon messing it up like they've done with Rings of Power if they could focus on telling self-contained stories (chapters) per season and not trying to adapt the entire Silmarillion. We'll never know though.
Amazon has hits and misses. Rings of Power sucks, but Fallout wasn't bad, we'll see how the Yakuza show turns out.
Also, the animated Witcher movie Nightmare of the Wolf wasn't based on anything in the books, and it was excellent. It's possible for studios to make new stories that still do right by the original works; as will hopefully be the case with The War of the Rohirrim.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Amazon would still balls it up. I think anyone would. It's not really a book that can be easily adapted. Before PJ adapted Lord of the Rings, people said it was impossible to adapt into film properly. The Silmarillion would be even more difficult to adapt, even with self contained episodes.
I think we forget that Tolkien was working on the Silmarillion well before Lord of the Rings. It was his passion project and his hobby, kind of like a man and his model train set, just on a more personal level. He never originally intended for it to be a published work, let alone had visions of it to be adapted into film. Which is why it should be left well alone.
Yet, it still wasn't near as good as what Sapkowski has produced.
The problem with adapting Tolkien is that it needs to be changed to appeal to a wide range of people, or what studio executives now call a modern audience. Deep changes need to be made to make it appealing, diverse and inclusive. This is not a complaint as such, but more of a reflection of the world we now live in.
This means new characters and plots have to be created and/or original ideas need to be altered to fit this modern criteria. This dilutes the authors original vision and makes the adaption come across as offensive fan fiction.
George Martin recently did a post discussing this. Worth a read.
Musashipan
Member
Yes, he did, that's why the call an adaptation or "based on" . I wish they did line by line!
Cyberpunkd
Member
What else can they do? It will be incredible disappointment if they ax it prematurely.
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
I hope it gets 5 seasons. I’m actually enjoying it
Unknown Soldier
Member
They are contractually obligated to make 5 seasons
Now what would happen if they broke the contract is something nobody knows outside of a few lawyers probably
Melon Husk
Member
LOTR trilogy movie adaptation was written by two women and one man. Let's not give Jackson all the credit.
Episode 5 contained two very badly written references scenes to PJ's trilogy. Not a lot of logic behind them, but they had to be shoehorned in. The Numenorrr forced GoT copycat drama remains bad.
I've honestly lost count how many "simultaneous" B-plots we have running. I want to say more than 6?
ranked from best to worst
It's mad.
Episode 5 contained two very badly written references scenes to PJ's trilogy. Not a lot of logic behind them, but they had to be shoehorned in. The Numenorrr forced GoT copycat drama remains bad.
I've honestly lost count how many "simultaneous" B-plots we have running. I want to say more than 6?
ranked from best to worst
Gand-Alf and his hobbit sidekicks
Galadriel
Elrond
Adar in Mordor
Gilgalad and his elves
The solo ranger elf helping the village of men
Annatar and the ring-forge
Dwarves
Numenor
The wicked wizard of the east (technically its own storyline now from his perspective)
Galadriel
Elrond
Adar in Mordor
Gilgalad and his elves
The solo ranger elf helping the village of men
Annatar and the ring-forge
Dwarves
Numenor
The wicked wizard of the east (technically its own storyline now from his perspective)
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Lukaku's First Touch
Member
Holy fuck what a bad a boring episode. Did that fucker really run back to his elven king instead of going to fight Sauron.
And did that ball of the black dwarf woman really roll all the way down that cave even trough a fucking T junction??
fuckkkking hell.
And did that ball of the black dwarf woman really roll all the way down that cave even trough a fucking T junction??
fuckkkking hell.
Alex11
Member
"The perfection of the Three", "Thrice perfected". Exact lines from the show, the reasoning of why 9 rings for men, then 7 rings for dwarves were what?
Jesus Christ, the reasons and writing for the forging of the rings is laughable, also Adar wants to attack Eregion with 50 orcs? Holy shit.
Jesus Christ, the reasons and writing for the forging of the rings is laughable, also Adar wants to attack Eregion with 50 orcs? Holy shit.
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
That was the balrog she heard right?
Can’t wait to see see Sauron make the one ring. When do we think he’ll do it?
Can’t wait to see see Sauron make the one ring. When do we think he’ll do it?
ManaByte
Member
They showed the Balrog in S1 when Durin woke it.
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
must've forgot about that
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Show is bangin.
Fbh
Gold Member
Some friends are into it and are inviting me and some other people over to watch this every week. I mostly go for the food and beers though I must admit hate watching this is sort of fun.
That said the first 3 episodes were pretty watchable if you just take this on its own and ignore it's supposed to be based on LOTR and the hilariously forced diversity, but these last 2 ones have been boring as fuck. The show would massively benefit from focusing on 2 or at most 3 interesting storylines instead of 87 mediocre ones
Best thing I can say about this season is that Isildur's pseudo girlfriend was sort of cute.
That said the first 3 episodes were pretty watchable if you just take this on its own and ignore it's supposed to be based on LOTR and the hilariously forced diversity, but these last 2 ones have been boring as fuck. The show would massively benefit from focusing on 2 or at most 3 interesting storylines instead of 87 mediocre ones
Best thing I can say about this season is that Isildur's pseudo girlfriend was sort of cute.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I will say the more focus on either the Dwarves or the not-Hobbits especially makes me like any given episode less.
Show in general just doesn’t have good women characters. Luckily Galadreal or whatever is taking a back seat this season good lord she is boring.
But show is still bangin this season lol
Show in general just doesn’t have good women characters. Luckily Galadreal or whatever is taking a back seat this season good lord she is boring.
But show is still bangin this season lol
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peish
Member
I find numenor GOT-lite the worst. you have the token slimey weasal white soy boy, his ambitious bad dad. one stupid eagle trolling the whole kingdom. isildur is such a boring useless simp. his sister an evil-not-really-evil character.
in fact all the female characters have been cardboard decent to good politically correct, the only woke parts i can criticise ROP.
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Melon Husk
Member
I'm always waiting for his scenes to turn into a Monty Python sketch because he looks like Michael Palin. Adding to it, Numenor costumes somehow look cheaper than they do in Life of Brian.
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