Riots outside Trump Rally in Orange County

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The GOP has always had a somewhat strong Latino/Hispanic base because of their appeal to religion and family values.

Which is funny, since the current generation of the GOP are trying their hardest to piss their good will away with Latino Americans. If they keep it up, Latinos/Hispanics could end up being a permanent voter base for the Democrats, in the same way Black Americans are. That also includes the younger generation of Cubans, who tend to be more to the left than their parents and grandparents.
 
Effective protests cause a lot of hassle for everyone in the area. People worry more about the fallout, real or hypothetical, of the protest than why people are frustrated/angry enough to protest in the first place.

What makes for an "effective" protest?
 
You weren't fucking there. You don't know what you're talking about.


All of you people painting these protestors as violent hooligans are ignorant as fuck. And you've probably never been to a protest. You don't have the courage to participate. And most of you cisgender hetero white dudes (like myself) have no right to tell people of color who don't have the same political privilege that you do how and when to protest.

"Go vote instead." You know, the only "legitimate" avenue to social change. It's easy for you to say when your race, religion, and sexual orientation isn't a specific target of these "legitimate" systems in the first place. So contine sit on your ass and complain about how these thugs are making you feel bad. Talk about some farcical idea of progress in this democracy facsimile you've all conjured and believe. Because you don't give a shit about them, those people on the ground. Because you aren't even trying to understand them. You aren't even giving them a chance. Because some rocks were thrown and some car windows were shattered.

Property is God and no lives matter.

I'll be back for more after work. But the nerve of some of you people. The political ignorance and bigotry in this thread is astounding.

This is so patronizing. Like holy hell.
As a Latino man, I don't need your martyrdom.

Violence is inexcusable.
 
Effective protests cause a lot of hassle for everyone in the area. People worry more about the fallout, real or hypothetical, of the protest than why people are frustrated/angry enough to protest in the first place.

Yep.

I see it this way in the last couple years.... 3 different types:

1. Peaceful protest. Nothing gets out of hand. Doesn't get much press. Doesn't sway or get people "on their side" like so many claim they will.

2. Protest gets out of hand. Condemnation. Finger wagging. "Well now I will not support your cause!"

3. Traffic gets blocked. Major meltdowns. Like bad, bad meltdowns. People who weren't even there just can't handle the thought of a car not getting from point A to point B. Meltdowns.
 
If so, that's what this casual racism deserves.

Think about how people of color feel when they're called thugs and violent criminals during their political actions. And then told how to do it properly. That's patronizing. That's what this thread is about.

As a minority living in the South, stop trying to speak for me.
 
Rocks were being thrown at cars of people shouting out racist insults and pro-Trump bullshit. People weren't targeting random civilians. Stop buying into this bullshit narrative. It's OBVIOUSLY false. Who the fuck would do this? Do you really think hundreds or thousands of people gathered just to get violent and attack innocent bystanders?

You are no better than Trump, who is using minorities as a tool to justify violence, a smart liberal would not get into a shouting match with a republican, not to talk about the fact that they were attacking Trump supporters. People like to pick up individual cases of stupid people then writing down the whole community be it democrats or republicans just because of confirmation bias. I have always been liberal all of my life, and I am going to be till the end of times, but I have never ever been so disappointed with the left as I am now.

For those of you saying this plays into Trumps message, you're kidding yourself. So what you're really saying is that it's easy for you to believe that a bunch of young Mexican kids were acting like wild animals. That's the way you're choosing to look at them. That's the narrative you're accepting. Without any critical examination of the situation.

I know I know, nowadays it is difficult to grasp the fact that you are personally responsible how people are going to perceive you in general, maybe act like a normal human being, not like a rabid dog, then maybe it will be harder for the right to downplay you.

You're a part of the problem. Not the rock throwers or police car shatterers. And all you people throwing out this non-violent bullshit need to stop it, too. There's already a violent force at play here and it's the forces of the state and capital and their police force which systematically violate people of color every single day.

How ironic that you are citing basically a civil war, because "yeah that is going to show them", you are delusional and dangerous, as any other republican participant in this year's election.

Tell me what's wrong with defending people's justified rage. Why is it that I can log into NeoGAF and expect patronizing racists from a sizable portion of its users? Oh, because it's fucking NeoGAF.

It is utterly disingenuous and despicable thing to label people racists just because they expect to you to behave like a normal human being at public events, and once again this is reads like a bad right wing article from fox news.

Try putting some thought into your damn response. Give me something to work with here.

Obviously I don't know how to solve most of the issues sadly, but I know how I would organize a protest against Trump. I would do a BIG BEAUTIFUL SPECTACLE
where I would invite famous liberal musicians to do concerts, with awesome dancing, and doing an open culinary, because you can't argue against a basic human instinct(hunger), and maybe Trump supporters would get a change of heart after smelling good mexican food.

Go ahead and try to argue against it. But you probably can't because you think your notion of property rights and civil liberties can't be criticized as outdated even though they're probably based off of a 200 year old document evolved from a barely post-Feudalistic society.. Just to give you some damn context, I mean.

In any case, I'm so thankful that there are some actual radical-minded or at least POC-allied minds in this thread. Thank you for giving me the energy to re-enter this discussion. It's really encouraging. Is there an OT for leftists round these parts? For real.

We are living in a democratic capitalistic world, and you ask how dare we value our personal property?Dude what the fuck, you are crazy, there is no ideology which makes okay or justify destroying other people's stuff.

This is the kind of mentality which is why Trump is still in the race, and if it comes down to him winning the presidency, it's not going to be because he s that good, but because the American left tend to sabotage themselves with dumb posts and protests like this.
 
As a minority living in the South, stop trying to speak for me.

Not what's happening. I'm speaking from my own experience with the input of the types of people involved in these actions.

Minorities can participate in their own oppression. And I've gotten comments from people in the positive, as well. So it's sort of irrelevant to the argument. Your identity really has no effect on the facts of the matter I've presented.
 
Not what's happening. I'm speaking from my own experience with the input of the types of people involved in these actions.

Minorities can participate in their own oppression. And I've gotten comments from people in the positive, as well. So it's sort of irrelevant to the argument. Your identity really has no effect on the facts of the matter I've presented.

If identity doesn't matter, then stop bringing it up in every post. And you haven't presented any facts. All you've done is talk about some laughable notion that property doesn't exist.
 
If so, that's what this casual racism deserves.

Think about how people of color feel when they're called thugs and violent criminals during their political actions. And then told how to do it properly. That's patronizing. That's what this thread is about.



Yeah, read the thread please.

Not throwing rocks or inciting violence is now oppressing the right to assembly?
I've been to protests. There are always going to be provocateurs (whether planted, "anarchists", or just douchebags) at any large gathering. Condemning escalation isn't censorship.
Not what's happening. I'm speaking from my own experience with the input of the types of people involved in these actions.

Minorities can participate in their own oppression. And I've gotten comments from people in the positive, as well. So it's sort of irrelevant to the argument. Your identity really has no effect on the facts of the matter I've presented.
Are you seriously trying to victim blame here?
 
It's not their stuff, it's stolen goods.

Huh? What are you talking about?

It's not escalation as much as it is slightly leveling the playing the field of violence. The escalation of violence was introduced by the oppressors. Violence by the oppressed is self-defense.

Who is the target of this self defense? The society as a whole, the government, or random passerby? And how does escaltiong to violence solve anything. Most of the time when responding to violence, it is met by a even getter violence.
 
Not throwing rocks or inciting violence is now oppressing the right to assembly?
I've been to protests. There are always going to be provocateurs (whether planted, "anarchists", or just douchebags) at any large gathering. Condemning escalation isn't censorship.
It's not escalation as much as it is slightly leveling the playing the field of violence. The escalation of violence was introduced by the oppressors. Violence by the oppressed is self-defense.
 
You are no better than Trump, who is using minorities as a tool to justify violence, a smart liberal would not get into a shouting match with a republican, not to talk about the fact that they were attacking Trump supporters. People like to pick up individual cases of stupid people then writing down the whole community be it democrats or republicans just because of confirmation bias. I have always been liberal all of my life, and I am going to be till the end of times, but I have never ever been so disappointed with the left as I am now.

The protestors were being harassed and attacked. Self defense is not a sin. For the most part, the crowd was peaceful. So I don't know what you're getting at.

I know I know, nowadays it is difficult to grasp the fact that you are personally responsible how people are going to perceive you in general, maybe act like a normal human being, not like a rabid dog, then maybe it will be harder for the right to downplay
you.

Personal responsibility is totally important. But I'm talking about how an entire political action is being painted as a violent frenzy because the simple concept of individual responsibility is not being taken into account. If you're referring to myself in particular, I didn't attack anything or anyone. Nor did the majority of the people gathered at those fairgrounds.

How ironic that you are citing basically a civil war, because "yeah that is going to show them", you are delusional and dangerous, as any other republican participant in this year's election.

What's going to show them? Pointing out the fact that the police have a monopoly on violence and exercise it disproportionately against minority groups. That's not delusional. But it's probably dangerous, because it's fucking true.

It is utterly disingenuous and despicable thing to label people racists just because they expect to you to behave like a normal human being at public events, and once again this
is reads like a bad right wing article from fox news.

That's the thing. Read what I've posted. People were acting like human beings. There was a huge level of empathy there. People chanting "No life is illegal." "No more deportations." "Love not hate." It's the people in this thread and now you who are denying the empathetic capacity of the people involved in the protest.

We are living in a democratic capitalistic world, and you ask how dare we value our personal property?Dude what the fuck, you are crazy, there is no ideology which makes okay or justify destroying other people's stuff.

Totally. But I was responding to the idea that my philosophy is outdated with an example of how theirs may be as well. But even in leftist philosophy personal property is valued. Nobody is advocating fucking up random peoples houses. Nobodies shit was getting wrecked. This does happen as a symptom of riot, but I don't think you'll find any sources claiming it to be a focus.

This is the kind of mentality which is why Trump is still in the race, and if it comes down to him winning the presidency, it's not going to be because he s that good, but because the American left tend to sabotage themselves with dumb posts and protests like this.

The American "left" sabotages itself with centrists and conservatives like the Clintons and Obama. There's a reason why people are so fucking mad. The people who promise change never deliver it.
 
If identity doesn't matter, then stop bringing it up in every post. And you haven't presented any facts. All you've done is talk about some laughable notion that property doesn't exist.

I'm saying any individuals personal identity in this thread doesn't matter for this argument. For every condemnation, I can also find praise.

And of course property exists. Why else would I be talking about it? I'm saying it doesn't matter more than people. Which is what the rest of you don't seem to realize you're implying.

Not throwing rocks or inciting violence is now oppressing the right to assembly?

No.. where do you think I said that? I'm saying the fact that rocks were thrown and violence happened doesn't negate the entirety of the protest.

Are you seriously trying to victim blame here?

It's not victim blaming to say that people can participate in their own oppression. I can participate in my own. It's not my fault that I am oppressed, but I'm not exactly a solution to it when I ignore my participation in it.
 
Really?

Who gives a shit. It's a flag.

Not to mention Trump invokes major blind patriotism as part of his campaign so...

One of the more depressing posts I've seen on this forum.
This kind of disrespect for the country that has given us so much is painful to see.

It isn't "just a flag"; not in the US and not in many other countries where that flag represents all the hardships, victories, and brave citizens who lost their lives defending it.

But go ahead, burn it and stomp on it if it helps you feel better that some people have opposing political views...

...smh
As somebody who has lost family while they were defending this country: fuck flag burners.
 
One of the more depressing posts I've seen on this forum.
This kind of disrespect for the country that has given us so much is painful to see.

It isn't "just a flag"; not in the US and not in many other countries where that flag represents all the hardships, victories, and brave citizens who lost their lives defending it.

But go ahead, burn it and stomp on it if it helps you feel better that some people have opposing political views...

...smh
As somebody who has lost family while they were defending this country: fuck flag burners.
It goes both ways too, you know. I love this country and flag, but I have no respect for people who support a bigot who's platform includes hateful rhetoric against immigrants, minorities, and deportation, dehumanization of us as though we're animals.
 
It goes both ways too, you know. I love this country and flag, but I have no respect for people who support a bigot who's platform includes hateful rhetoric against immigrants, minorities, and deportation, dehumanization of us as though we're animals.

So why burn the flag to protest the bigot?
The flag does not represent the bigot anymore than it represents you and me.
 
The protestors were being harassed and attacked. Self defense is not a sin. For the most part, the crowd was peaceful. So I don't know what you're getting at.

If there was a physical assault from Trumpsters, then the media would have made the video viral, so I assume that there was only verbal assault towards the protestors, which wont still justify the mess that this protest was.

Personal responsibility is totally important. But I'm talking about how an entire political action is being painted as a violent frenzy because the simple concept of individual responsibility is not being taken into account. If you're referring to myself in particular, I didn't attack anything or anyone. Nor did the majority of the people gathered at those fairgrounds.

You know this goes both ways, because while I do believe not every protester are a madman, but I also believe not all Trumpsters are bad people either.

What's going to show them? Pointing out the fact that the police have a monopoly on violence and exercise it disproportionately against minority groups. That's not delusional. But it's probably dangerous, because it's fucking true.

You just can't force through that kind of reform and that is pretty irresponsible, and I tell you this while I agree that police system has to change because it is bad and corrupt.

That's the thing. Read what I've posted. People were acting like human beings. There was a huge level of empathy there. People chanting "No life is illegal." "No more deportations." "Love not hate." It's the people in this thread and now you who are denying the empathetic capacity of the people involved in the protest.

Then set an example for the people who are you protesting with, not to behave like an wild animal, or not to be brought down to shouting matches.

Totally. But I was responding to the idea that my philosophy is outdated with an example of how theirs may be as well. But even in leftist philosophy personal property is valued. Nobody is advocating fucking up random peoples houses. Nobodies shit was getting wrecked. This does happen as a symptom of riot, but I don't think you'll find any sources claiming it to be a focus.

I wasn't talking about random people. You shouldn't damage nothing, unless it's yours.

The car incident

Florida shine

The American "left" sabotages itself with centrists and conservatives like the Clintons and Obama. There's a reason why people are so fucking mad. The people who promise change never deliver it.

I just want you to be smart, because a lot depends on you guys.
 
So why burn the flag to protest the bigot?
The flag does not represent the bigot anymore than it represents you and me.

I'm not American (German), but I agree with you here. I support flag burning, foreign or one's own, but to burn one's own should be in the context of protesting the current government. Nonetheless, I am not offended by even the German flag burning, I have very little patriotism/nationalism in me, a little patriotism shines in international sport.

As you say, Trump is not involved with the current government, so burning a flag in response to Trump makes no sense. I would not burn the German flag if some far-right neo-nazis were gaining power, I'd burn their symbolism, not my flag that represents peaceful unification of German people and the current German government that does a lot to curb that behaviour.

Flag burning needs to be in context, the people burning that flag in the video seem to not like the U.S government, from what I searched, they're associated with a marxist-leninist socialist party in the U.S called Party for Socialism and Liberation, which makes sense as to why they're burning (?), I don't think they're burning it entirely in opposition of Trump even though one protester in the end mentions Trump, they seem to be burning it in context of other ideas relevant to their party.
 
So why burn the flag to protest the bigot?
The flag does not represent the bigot anymore than it represents you and me.
Trump and his supporters have made it clear that they want America to be great again for white people. Minorities be damned. They're protesting that idea the Trump and his supporters have of America. They are protesting Trump's America.

Also people get way too worked up over flag burning. You can buy hundreds of flags at the dollar store and the truth is the flag represents a lot of things to a lot of people. People who get worked up over this are way too nationalistic. People get offended way too easily about this sort of thing. When people burn or stomp on the flag it has nothing to do with the veterans who died fighting for this country. Not too mention, I wouldn't call any wars America has been involved in post WW2 as defending/protecting our nation or freedom.

Reminds me of 2015 when everyone is argueing about Confederate flags, Gay Pride flags, etc. They are just pieces of fabric and people are allowed to express their opinion. Seems more like the "offense" culture at work.
 
One of the more depressing posts I've seen on this forum.
This kind of disrespect for the country that has given us so much is painful to see.

It isn't "just a flag"; not in the US and not in many other countries where that flag represents all the hardships, victories, and brave citizens who lost their lives defending it.

But go ahead, burn it and stomp on it if it helps you feel better that some people have opposing political views...

...smh
As somebody who has lost family while they were defending this country: fuck flag burners.

To many people, the flag no longer represents what it once stood for and find it hard to be proud of it anymore. Many of the things the flag represents are being trampled on by our very own government. A protesters apathy towards the physical flag is unfortunate, however, their protest is an effort to restore/fight for the very ideals the flag represents, which is in a way honoring those who fought and died for it generations ago.
 
One of the more depressing posts I've seen on this forum.
This kind of disrespect for the country that has given us so much is painful to see.

It isn't "just a flag"; not in the US and not in many other countries where that flag represents all the hardships, victories, and brave citizens who lost their lives defending it.

But go ahead, burn it and stomp on it if it helps you feel better that some people have opposing political views...

...smh
As somebody who has lost family while they were defending this country: fuck flag burners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmG4GUjesig

Also, from the Flag Code:
The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
 
Also people get way too worked up over flag burning. You can buy hundreds of flags at the dollar store and the truth is the flag represents a lot of things to a lot of people. People who get worked up over this are way too nationalistic. People get offended way too easily about this sort of thing.

It's because people are offended by flag-burning, that demonstrators choose to burn flags. If the flag really didn't represent anything, than protestors wouldn't bother with it. I think it's strange to act like the reaction is the problem. The reaction is why the behavior exists in the first place.
 
So these awfully nice and respectful protesters were just respectfully burning the flag because they found it touching the ground? Seems like a stretch...
A flag that touches the ground is not "no longer a fitting emblem for display" according to the Flag Code. You're just supposed to move it.

Not that following the Flag Code nor treating it as a holy symbol of the church of the state is to be recommended.
 
One of the more depressing posts I've seen on this forum.
This kind of disrespect for the country that has given us so much is painful to see.

It isn't "just a flag"; not in the US and not in many other countries where that flag represents all the hardships, victories, and brave citizens who lost their lives defending it.

But go ahead, burn it and stomp on it if it helps you feel better that some people have opposing political views...

...smh
As somebody who has lost family while they were defending this country: fuck flag burners.

Nah bro nah, many countries aren't as patriotc as your making them out to be especially in Europe. Outside of sports events patriotism tends to be looked down upon, because you know the events of world war 1 and 2. Part of the package of the freedom of speech is speak freely about whether you consider the country to be in and government to be shit. Dividing yourselves based on nationality and proclaiming and bragging about how great you are doesn't really help anyone and in general leads to hostilty against outsiders. It's basic human nature that perverts every single aspect of it.

It's perfectly ok to not think highly of country your residing in, especially if it treats you like a second class citizen.
 
Nah bro nah, many countries aren't as patriotc as your making them out to be especially in Europe. Outside of sports events patriotism tends to be looked down upon, because you know the events of world war 1 and 2. Part of the package of the freedom of speech is speak freely about whether you consider the country to be in and government to be shit. Dividing yourselves based on nationality and proclaiming and bragging about how great you are doesn't really help anyone and in general leads to hostilty against outsiders. It's basic human nature that perverts every single aspect of it.

It's perfectly ok to not think highly of country your residing in, especially if it treats you like a second class citizen.

Nationality can also unite a nation in a time when they have to unite, see the events of world war 1 and 2. And flag burning / not voting is disrespectful to veterans, imo.
 
Nationality can also unite a nation in a time when they have to unite, see the events of world war 1 and 2.

Nationality was one of the reasons those wars started in the first place. Some of the worst atrocities committed during them can be attributed to nationalism.

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Interesting you added not voting being disrespectful. The republican party is trying its hardest to make it more difficult to vote for minorities. What does that make them?
 
Nationality can also unite a nation in a time when they have to unite, see the events of world war 1 and 2. And flag burning / not voting is disrespectful to veterans, imo.

But only if you were white. That "unity" did not include treating black people like human beings. Now did it?
 
A flag that touches the ground is not "no longer a fitting emblem for display" according to the Flag Code. You're just supposed to move it.

Not that following the Flag Code nor treating it as a holy symbol of the church of the state is to be recommended.

I really think you're taking the flag code out of context. These protesters are burning a flag to prove a statement.
 
Nationality can also unite a nation in a time when they have to unite, see the events of world war 1 and 2. And flag burning / not voting is disrespectful to veterans, imo.

It's not an act against veterans, who should actually be far more offended by these governments that start these maddening wars in the first place(and this nationalistic urge of feeling "united" is one of the reasons why the ME is the mess it currently is. Thanks for 8 years of Bush! Also, the added bigotry that came with such a beautifuly united nation). They should be offended by a country who supplies weapons and gives billions of dollars to shady countries, that doesn't properly take care of it's people(including veterans) to the best of it's ability, etc etc... A flag is nothing, our flag has represented some horrible shit.

Don't get angry at young people that feel marginalized, and attacked by a large chunk of the general public, that have to deal ugly rhetoric from the most visible people in the country, only to fuel as much hate and fear as humanly possible. If they wanna burn a flag as a symbolic gesture of a country they feel has ultimately failed them, or will regress even further because of certain politicians and their policies(realized or wanting to be) and the disgusting amount of people that just go right along with it, or even revel in it.

Well, then, so be it.
 
One of the more depressing posts I've seen on this forum.
This kind of disrespect for the country that has given us so much is painful to see.

It isn't "just a flag"; not in the US and not in many other countries where that flag represents all the hardships, victories, and brave citizens who lost their lives defending it.

But go ahead, burn it and stomp on it if it helps you feel better that some people have opposing political views...

...smh
As somebody who has lost family while they were defending this country: fuck flag burners.

flags should never be considered sacred objects and burning the flag, is, thankfully protected free speech. Also, there's multiple vets out there that support people's right to burn the flag.
 
I hope there's footage of the vandals, and they'll get identified and prosecuted. Protest or not, damaging other people's property intentionally is a crime and should be punished.
 
This post on reddit sums up well how best a non violent protest works. It's not gumming up the traffic or causing an inconvenience to others or just being loud and obnoxious. It's making people sympathetic to you and creating a situation where you get the people you are protesting about to act badly so people look badly on them:

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/co...es_matter_activists_interrupt_hillary/d0d33e2

A quote from the comment:


must be provocative. If nobody cares, nobody will respond. Gandhi didn't do boring things. He took what (after rigorous self examination) he determined was rightfully his, such as salt from the beaches of his own country, and interrupted the British economy, and provoked a violent response against himself.

must be certain not to justify the violent reactions they receive. It cannot succeed without rigorous self-examination to make sure you, the protester, are not committing injustice.

"hurts, like all fighting hurts. You will not deal blows, but you will receive them." (from the movie Gandhi -- one of my favorite movie scenes of all time)

demands respect by demonstrating respectability. The courage to get hit and keep coming back while offering no retaliation is one of the few things that can really make a man go, "Huh. How about that."

does not depend on the what the "enemy" does in order to be successful. It depends on the commitment to nonviolence.


Yes, it also means you might get arrested or hurt by the other side. It's actually making that sacrifice to show your point.

Being violent or showing you are not the better person does not really get people to look at you favorably. I agree with another liberal above me, protests getting violent and unruly caused by "our side' just makes "our side" look bad and gives ammo to their side how we are unreasonable (Trump probably loves this, it's playing exactly into his hands. "They're trying to kill our first amendment rights! Look, they get violent they are so threatened by us to try to shut us up." He's already said stuff like this and used this to his advantage. I'm pretty sure he's trolling for reactions like this cause this is frikking gold for him and helps him with making it look like he's persecuted).
 
It's not escalation as much as it is slightly leveling the playing the field of violence. The escalation of violence was introduced by the oppressors. Violence by the oppressed is self-defense.
How the hell are protesters throwing rocks at random motorists defending themselves from oppression, benji? I think this takes the cake as the most insane post I've seen in this thread. It honestly sounds like you're condoning terrorism, nevermind the topic of violent activism in general.
 
Everyone chill, yo. It's possible to be critical of violence and vandalism while understanding why marginalized and disenfranchised people might do those things.
 
I think this discussion originally was about if the use of violence was necessary, not the entire protest being ineffective. I think that it's a given the protest should always be allowed to happen, and to me it's even okay to be disruptive and block traffic or whatever, but violence is crossing a line and there shouldn't be any physical harm against people.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the entire protest was ineffective, just that violence should never be used.
 
zero tolerance for all forms of violence, period.

got vote. you have voice, excercize your right to vote.

You are not going to conivnce people by throwing rocks on cars and beating up people.

This is election year, just go and vote.

Trump even said that he won't run again if he loses.
 
zero tolerance for all forms of violence, period.

got vote. you have voice, excercize your right to vote.

You are not going to conivnce people by throwing rocks on cars and beating up people.

This is election year, just go and vote.

Trump even said that he won't run again if he loses.
I wonder how you would have managed during civil rights movement or the stonewall riots
 
This post on reddit sums up well how best a non violent protest works. It's not gumming up the traffic or causing an inconvenience to others or just being loud and obnoxious. It's making people sympathetic to you and creating a situation where you get the people you are protesting about to act badly so people look badly on them:

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/co...es_matter_activists_interrupt_hillary/d0d33e2

A quote from the comment:





Yes, it also means you might get arrested or hurt by the other side. It's actually making that sacrifice to show your point.

Being violent or showing you are not the better person does not really get people to look at you favorably. I agree with another liberal above me, protests getting violent and unruly caused by "our side' just makes "our side" look bad and gives ammo to their side how we are unreasonable (Trump probably loves this, it's playing exactly into his hands. "They're trying to kill our first amendment rights! Look, they get violent they are so threatened by us to try to shut us up." He's already said stuff like this and used this to his advantage. I'm pretty sure he's trolling for reactions like this cause this is frikking gold for him and helps him with making it look like he's persecuted).
That post keeps bringing up Gandhi and MLK and that's the problem, those people, leaders of that caliber don't grow on trees and you can't expect them to. Every community would GREATLY benefit from having leaders like that, able to pull everyone together, able to voice their group'a wants and desires in a clear way everyone understands, and re-direct the energy that would normally lead to violence into something else.

The rest of the time when you don't have people like that you're gonna get the next thing that people know will always get acknowledged and leads to change(for better or worse) violence.
 
This post on reddit sums up well how best a non violent protest works. It's not gumming up the traffic or causing an inconvenience to others or just being loud and obnoxious. It's making people sympathetic to you and creating a situation where you get the people you are protesting about to act badly so people look badly on them:

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/co...es_matter_activists_interrupt_hillary/d0d33e2

A quote from the comment:





Yes, it also means you might get arrested or hurt by the other side. It's actually making that sacrifice to show your point.

Being violent or showing you are not the better person does not really get people to look at you favorably. I agree with another liberal above me, protests getting violent and unruly caused by "our side' just makes "our side" look bad and gives ammo to their side how we are unreasonable (Trump probably loves this, it's playing exactly into his hands. "They're trying to kill our first amendment rights! Look, they get violent they are so threatened by us to try to shut us up." He's already said stuff like this and used this to his advantage. I'm pretty sure he's trolling for reactions like this cause this is frikking gold for him and helps him with making it look like he's persecuted).

Ghandi was also on the backs of decades of armed and violent Indian independence movements, they were even violent when Ghandi was was at his prominence. There is still a lot of ignorance regarding Indian independence, it wasn't just Ghandi that got the British to pull out. Protests need to disruptive to be effective, people who claim anger to protests likely never supported the causes to begin with.
 
Ghandi was also on the backs of decades of armed and violent Indian independence movements, they were even violent when Ghandi was was at his prominence. There is still a lot of ignorance regarding Indian independence, it wasn't just Ghandi that got the British to pull out. Protests need to disruptive to be effective, people who claim anger to protests likely never supported the causes to begin with.
Disrupting and violence are still two different things. I can see how the former can be a necessity but I wouldn't they same about violence.

Also "People who don't like it weren't supporting us anyway" is a bit of an overly comfortable mindset where you can apparently do no wrong.
 
Considering that patriotism reaches far, far beyond Trump supporters in the US I'm not sure what they hope to achieve by burning it.

I mean ultimately though who cares. It's 15 people burning a flag.

I'm amazed we have giant therads dedicated to telling oppressed people to lighten up and not take offense to racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic jokes told about them which frequently dehunanize them and we call it SJWs and outrage culture but a few guys burn a flag and all of a sudden it's defcon 5.


It's an inanimate object with no feelings.
 
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