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Rob Ford: Still smoking crack. On video. Taking leave of absence.

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Zombie James

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jstripes said:
Wiretap records incoming, apparently.
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AlphaTwo00 said:
Impossible, because what's stopping me from entering on side-streets? What about properties that are sitting at the border, that don't pay into Toronto's taxes but exit directly into the city?
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Obviously it's not as simple as the elevator pitch, but this isn't intended to punish anyone for living outside of the core. The same way 407 beacons have allowances for cab drivers, we would explore how it's been done in European cities and determine the best way to move forward, likely with a commissioned study from transit experts that know better.
 
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jstripes

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Norm Kelley confirmed he has no interest in running for mayor in 2014.

I have a feeling he didn't exactly want the job of "acting mayor," but took it because he had to.
 
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You Are Viewtiful

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I think there should be a toll on highways because you need to put a price on that, whether you live in the city or not, otherwise you are just going to get unlimited traffic. People need to realize that highways and highway space aren't free and have an actual cost.

Paying it through taxes is a subsidy, it's not a price.
 
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You Are Viewtiful said:
I think there should be a toll on highways because you need to put a price on that, whether you live in the city or not, otherwise you are just going to get unlimited traffic. People need to realize that highways and highway space aren't free and have an actual cost.

Paying it through taxes is a subsidy, it's not a price.
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The Gardiner should be tolled because it is literally falling down and the huge price tag to fix/bury/solve the issue is something that councillors have baulked at for years.

Let the damn thing finally pay for itself!
 
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jstripes

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Dyno said:
The Gardiner should be tolled because it is literally falling down and the huge price tag to fix/bury/solve the issue is something that councillors have baulked at for years.

Let the damn thing finally pay for itself!
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Getting money for it doesn't mean a thing if no one can decide what to do with it.
 
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Zombie James said:
Holy shit, the Conservative introduce a bill that isn't completely idiotic. It's still partially idiotic because 25% is ridiculously low; we'd have recalls and bi-elections every other week.
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36 states have a recall system for the state and/or the municipal level, and a petition with 25% of the number of people that voted in the latest election is the level for most states and municipalities that have a recall system.

As far as numbers go, Wiki says that there were at least 150 recall elections in 2011 for the entire country. It's really easy to stage a recall for political officials who serve smaller populations, but with a city the size of Toronto, a recall election every other week is never going to happen.
 
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jstripes

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Zombie James said:
Holy shit, the Conservative introduce a bill that isn't completely idiotic. It's still partially idiotic because 25% is ridiculously low; we'd have recalls and bi-elections every other week.
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Around 800,000 people voted. You'd need to get 200,000 signatures. It's not that easy.

Of course, I can see some people taking advantage of it for "OMG GARBAGE STRIKE!"
 
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Zombie James said:
Holy shit, the Conservative introduce a bill that isn't completely idiotic. It's still partially idiotic because 25% is ridiculously low; we'd have recalls and bi-elections every other week.
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The comments are arguing it doesn't come into effect until a year after the municipal election, is limited to voters who voted in the aforementioned election, and the recalled candidate is eligible for the following election. The vote percentage to trigger a recall is low, but unless you swing a large chunk of the vote away from the incumbent, you're going to waste a lot of time for tenuous benefit.
 
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Bo said:
The comments are arguing it doesn't come into effect until a year after the municipal election, is limited to voters who voted in the aforementioned election, and the recalled candidate is eligible for the following election. The vote percentage to trigger a recall is low, but unless you swing a large chunk of the vote away from the incumbent, you're going to waste a lot of time for tenuous benefit.
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The recalled candidate should be eligible for the following election.
 
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dubq said:
Are you referring to Museum station? I believe the city/TTC only had to foot 25% of $2mil cost. The rest was either raised or came from the private sector. Also the design of a station has little to do with how long the project takes. A lot of the delays have to do with the areas they are building in. How old the infrastructure is, the digging or tunneling, etc.
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Check the costs of the stations they are building on the Spadina subway extension. They want to blow huge amounts of money on the underground LRT stations too for unnecessary design elements. It's madness to spend money on these things when we're trying to find money to build more subway lines all over the city.
 
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killer rin said:
Aren't the Environmental Assessments both a Provincial and Federal thing though. Not much the city can do about those... other than to stop cancelling projects which have already been approved and had funding set aside for.
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By the time all the administrative procedures are finished (the multiple Environmental Assessments that take 1-4 years each), government turns over and the new guys cancel all the old stuff. This has happened many times in Toronto's history. It seems to take Toronto way way longer to build any transit compared to the UK, NYC, Spain, China, Korea, Japan, etc. All levels of government are responsible for this. If any of those countries are able to build subways that are safe and operational in shorter time frames, we need to talk to them and do the same things. There's no reason why Toronto needs a special Toronto-only approach to building that takes 10x longer.
 
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Azih

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Brandson said:
By the time all the administrative procedures are finished (the multiple Environmental Assessments that take 1-4 years each), government turns over and the new guys cancel all the old stuff. This has happened many times in Toronto's history. It seems to take Toronto way way longer to build any transit compared to the UK, NYC, Spain, China, Korea, Japan, etc. All levels of government are responsible for this. If any of those countries are able to build subways that are safe and operational in shorter time frames, we need to talk to them and do the same things. There's no reason why Toronto needs a special Toronto-only approach to building that takes 10x longer.
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Metrolinx was supposed to be an agency with some independance in order to push through long term project planning.


Lol.

McGuinty Libs occasionally had the right ideas, but their execution and the people they put in charge were horrendous (ORNGE being the worst example)
 
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jstripes said:
Getting money for it doesn't mean a thing if no one can decide what to do with it.
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The first thing they need to do with it is keep it in good repair until they decide what to actually do with it. That's why it needs to be tolled. The repairs alone justify a means of funding.

Even if they do nothing but keep it standing then the toll money can go to expanding transit.
 
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Well apparently Rob Ford was so popular in the last election that even children and dead people donated money to his campaign

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