Robin Williams wants to be the Joker in Batman Begins sequel

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BrandNew said:
I still think Crispin Glover can do exactly what the Joker needs to be. Insanely freaky while still having a slight edge of humor.
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Crispin Glover is an idiot though. Bale wouldn't put up with his bullshit and bitchslap him off the set. Thats how Christian Bale rolls. Trust me, i know first hand.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Crispin Glover is an idiot though. Bale wouldn't put up with his bullshit and bitchslap him off the set. Thats how Christian Bale rolls. Trust me, i know first hand.
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Did he give you the Phil Collins speech first?
 
i like to either see Mark Hamil (to good to be true) or Paul Bettany playing Joker. but Williams get the role i can live with it.

but no one beats Jack Nicholson
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I think Edward Norton would make a kickass joker. Or a Fight Club Brad Pitt. He did a good job of playing a psycho in that movie.
 
I actually think Robin Williams would be a great Joker if he lost a ton of weight...like a scary amount of weight...think The Machinist. He's shown that he can do scary and crazy several times but he is too fat and generally 'roundish.' The Joker needs to be a creepy, skinny, gangly freak. Let's not have the same poor interpretation of the character as '89 Batman mkay?
 
SofaKing said:
i like to either see Mark Hamil (to good to be true) or Paul Bettany playing Joker. but Williams get the role i can live with it.

but no one beats Jack Nicholson
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Nicholson was great, but it wasn't the Joker. It was Clown CrimeLord.
 
I don't get how someone said Mark Hamill is too recognizable. The dude hasn't been in any movies really for ages. Infact the few things he's been in, I've pointed him out to other people and they were shocked it was him.

Just make Mark Hamill the Joker. It will work.
 
Rotanibor Eht said:
I don't get how someone said Mark Hamill is too recognizable. The dude hasn't been in any movies really for ages. Infact the few things he's been in, I've pointed him out to other people and they were shocked it was him.

Just make Mark Hamill the Joker. It will work.
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Dude, it's Luke ****ing Skywalker. Everyone and their mother remembers him for that role, hence the Kevin Smith cameos and dubious amounts of voice work compared to on-screen work.

C'mon, you're twisting my leg, right?
 
Really. Mark Hammil is the only possible solution, unless you just use his voice (which might be a bit better).

The voice is theatrical enough without being too unrealistic, and it can go from menacing to ****ing crazy in 0.4 seconds.

And let's not forget the laugh.
 
BrandNew said:
I still think Crispin Glover can do exactly what the Joker needs to be. Insanely freaky while still having a slight edge of humor.

However, I wouldn't mind Brody, he's got the freaky smile.
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Glover looks like the Joker, and he is crazy, but he is not the Joker. There is an intelligence and awareness that the character of the joker has, and I have never seen that in Glover. He is great at crazy, he is great at nerd, but I do not think he can act "confident, crazy, menace."
 
Mark Hamill was a good Joker in the series. He became the definitive Joker in Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker...his best work ever imho, voice or otherwise. Amazing stuff.
 
Does anybody remember that one TAS episode where Batman chases the Joker into some theme park area, where the Joker sits down on a conveyor belt in a darkened room? Or at least, does anybody remember the commercial on Cartoon Network playing that scene? Soooo evil. His smile shows in the light and in the dark and all you hear is the laughing. Soooo freaky.
 
master_shake_05 said:
Dude, it's Luke ****ing Skywalker. Everyone and their mother remembers him for that role, hence the Kevin Smith cameos and dubious amounts of voice work compared to on-screen work.

C'mon, you're twisting my leg, right?
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Dude thats not going to ****ing matter. The Joker is an infinately different character than Luke Skywalker, people wouldn't be able to compair the to characters. And the dude has aged, he's not as recognizable to the average person now-a-days as you think.
 
SofaKing said:
i like to either see Mark Hamil (to good to be true) or Paul Bettany playing Joker. but Williams get the role i can live with it.

but no one beats Jack Nicholson
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I don't think Bettany would be a good Joker.

To me, I thought Jack hit it spot ****ing on. Whoever does get cast has some big shoes to fill.
 
Guys, you want to cast Hamill based on HIS VOICE WORK. Believe me, seeing him actually play the part on-screen isn't going to be the same: he's a bit too old for the role, and regardless people WILL recognize him. I loved his voice too, but either they completely make him unrecognizable or the affect won't work.
 
BrandNew said:
Does anybody remember that one TAS episode where Batman chases the Joker into some theme park area, where the Joker sits down on a conveyor belt in a darkened room? Or at least, does anybody remember the commercial on Cartoon Network playing that scene? Soooo evil. His smile shows in the light and in the dark and all you hear is the laughing. Soooo freaky.
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Yeah that's one of the better ones for sure.

For me it's all about The Laughing Fish. This was the first truly disturbing Joker story I was exposed to as a kid, and it has stuck with me. Awesome adaptation of the story.

And personally I did not like Nicholson as the Joker at all. It was just Jack being Jack with white makeup on. Completely missed the point of the character.
 
Rotanibor Eht said:
Dude thats not going to ****ing matter. The Joker is an infinately different character than Luke Skywalker, people wouldn't be able to compair the to characters. And the dude has aged, he's not as recognizable to the average person now-a-days as you think.
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No doubt, his voicework on the cartoon series is perfect. But the Joker really should be visually comparable in age with Batman. And Mark, while he is a great voice actor, has never had the physical presence to pull off this sort of character. Nicholson worked great in the original Batman, but that was a great single movie, and there are very few people at his age who could have pulled off that performance. I see the new Batman becoming a lot like Spider Man, where it is an ongoing plotline. Batmans main nemesis should be someone comparable in age.
 
Okay, I don't think Mark Hamill would 'work' as a live action Joker either, but if Robin Williams is on the table, Hamill probably should be too. :P

Most of the complaints people are levelling at Hamill apply to Williams too.
 
master_shake_05 said:
Guys, you want to cast Hamill based on HIS VOICE WORK. Believe me, seeing him actually play the part on-screen isn't going to be the same: he's a bit too old for the role, and regardless people WILL recognize him. I loved his voice too, but either they completely make him unrecognizable or the affect won't work.
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Even if they do recognize him so what? Actors are always recognized in movies, people are used too it. Jack was very recognizable when he played the role of the joker, and that didn't prove to be a problem at all. He was good for the role and it worked great. Its not going to ruin the movie if someone says 'oh hey thats the guy that played Luke Skywalker.'

I don't agree about the age thing being a problem. I've never felt the Joker ever having any sort of set age before. Its always been kind of ambiguous to me. And besides makeup can do wonders.

I will give you a point on the fact that he may not have the visual acting abilities to pull off the role, but that remains to be unseen.
 
OMG, just look at the picture I posted and the post above it. HAMILL WON'T WORK, unless they miraculously use those X3 CG effects that make people look younger. The Joker is the ying to Batman's yang, and they should both be young guys starting out on their paths throughout the series, not a 20-something year old and a 60 year old cougar.

Really, your whole argument is "well, the voice works". So what? This isn't an animated film, there needs to be a strong visual presence to complete the act. Hamill doesn't cut it. Sorry ;)
 
The point about Hamill's age makes absolutely no sense in the context of this particular thread. Hamill would only be a little older than Nicholson was in the '89 Batman if my math is right, and he's a couple months younger than Williams.
 
echoshifting said:
The point about Hamill's age makes absolutely no sense in the context of this particular thread. Hamill would only be a little older than Nicholson was in the '89 Batman if my math is right, and he's only a couple months older than Williams.
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But Nicholson didn't look the age then. Plus, as C4Lukins pointed out, he didn't need a set age at that time. He was in one film, and one film only. In this series, he will be an ongoing character and thus they need to use an actor who's left of center enough to not be too recognizable, as well as have no threat of health issues down the road. A 60 year old Joker would not mesh in this series, please stop the nastalgic loving and try to see things clearly.... :D
 
master_shake_05 said:
OMG, just look at the picture I posted and the post above it. HAMILL WON'T WORK, unless they miraculously use those X3 CG effects that make people look younger. The Joker is the ying to Batman's yang, and they should both be young guys starting out on their paths throughout the series, not a 20-something year old and a 60 year old cougar.

Really, your whole argument is "well, the voice works". So what? This isn't an animated film, there needs to be a strong visual presence to complete the act. Hamill doesn't cut it. Sorry ;)
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You're putting too much weight on the age thing. Hell even Jack's character was a great deal older than Batman in the first movie. An age difference won't ruin the character.

And dude what the hell, I already admitted that he may not have the visual presence. But thats a may, completely discounting him on that would just be pointless and silly. Don't act like I am blind to the idea that he may not have the visual talents.
 
Having seen Death to Smoochie, Insomnia and One Hour Photo...you people are crazy if you think Robin Williams isn't suitable for the role. He's pretty much ideal for it.
 
master_shake_05 said:
But Nicholson didn't look the age then. Plus, as C4Lukins pointed out, he didn't need a set age at that time. He was in one film, and one film only. In this series, he will be an ongoing character and thus they need to use an actor who's left of center enough to not be too recognizable, as well as have no threat of health issues down the road. A 60 year old Joker would not mesh in this series, please stop the nastalgic loving and try to see things clearly.... :D
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Ha, I'm actually on your side, it would be my preference to see a young, creepy, relatively unknown actor in the role...all I'm saying is if they are seriously considering Williams (which I think is a mistake) they should consider Hamill as well!

But anyways this thread should be about whether or not Williams can be the Joker, the Hamill debate has been done to death. ;-)
 
Rotanibor Eht said:
You're putting too much weight on the age thing. Hell even Jack's character was a great deal older than Batman in the first movie. An age difference won't ruin the character.

And dude what the hell, I already admitted that he may not have the visual presence. But thats a may, completely discounting him on that would just be pointless and silly. Don't act like I am blind to the idea that he may not have the visual talents.
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Are we going to continue this cherade? You just seem to be mad that your choice doesn't fit, so now you want to discount the age of a character who's just starting out on the road to a life of crime? WTF? The Joker will be in a wheelchair by the fourth movie. You are wrong about this, please stop.

EDIT -- And yes, Williams is a bad choice too. Too old, too fat, too unfunny ;)
 
Dude, it's not going to be Hamill, nor should it. He kicked major, major ass doing Joker's voice for all the animated shows, but it wouldn't work in the Batman Begins universe. It just wouldn't. That's no knock to him, the two universes just have different sensibilities.

Oh, and Christian Bale would totally not take Crispin Glover's shit. That'd be one hell of a tense set. Besides, Glover's busy making his bizarre What Is It? trilogy.
 
master_shake_05 said:
Are we going to continue this cherade? You just seem to be mad that your choice doesn't fit, so now you want to discount the age of a character who's just starting out on the road to a life of crime? WTF? The Joker will be in a wheelchair by the fourth movie. You are wrong about this, please stop.

EDIT -- And yes, Williams is a bad choice too. Too old, too fat, too unfunny ;)
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I'm mad? Haha dude you're acting goddamned enraged about this. You were attacking the minute someone mentioned it.

Its not like it matters, because even though I'd like him for the part, they won't choose him. So get your panties out of the twist man, you're grand vision of the Joker is not going to be ruined.
 
The one person who I think could really nail the essence of "The Joker" is Wayne Brady. He has the charisma and physical stature to really hit a home run in the role.

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Rotanibor Eht said:
I'm mad? Haha dude you're acting goddamned enraged about this. You were attacking the minute someone mentioned it.

Its not like it matters, because even though I'd like him for the part, they won't choose him. So get your panties out of the twist man, you're grand vision of the Joker is not going to be ruined.
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I'm enraged? So now you refuse to see things clearly and assume I'm pissed because I'm arguing with you? This is the internet buddy, I have a right to say my piece, even morseo if I'm correct in the matter. How many more people need to break the news to you before you stop acting childish about the whole thing? My panties are merely being ruffled by your idiocy, please don't try to insult me because you were proven wrong.
 
master_shake_05 said:
Why would Bale bitchslap Glover all over the place? They've got some kind of beef? o_O
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No, nothing personal or anything. Bale's an intense method actor (who'd be in the Batman mindset) while Crispin Glover is a batshit insane paranoid wacko who seems to have a distinct talent for getting under people's skin.
 
Dan said:
No, nothing personal or anything. Bale's an intense method actor (who'd be in the Batman mindset) while Crispin Glover is a batshit insane paranoid wacko who seems to have a distinct talent for getting under people's skin.
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:lol, I guess you're right. Hell, I wouldn't want to get in Bale's way on that set.... dude is ****ing RIPPED! :lol
 
master_shake_05 said:
I'm enraged? So now you refuse to see things clearly and assume I'm pissed because I'm arguing with you? This is the internet buddy, I have a right to say my piece, even morseo if I'm correct in the matter. How many more people need to break the news to you before you stop acting childish about the whole thing? My panties are merely being ruffled by your idiocy, please don't try to insult me because you were proven wrong.
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So I argue with you, and I'm mad. But when you agrue with me you're calm and collective, is that right? Thats fantastic. And I don't have my right to say my piece, even though plenty agreed it would its a neat idea? Its kinda obvious who's the childish one in this match man, and it isn't me.

You're a very unreasonable person. ;)
 
Rotanibor Eht said:
So I argue with you, and I'm mad. But when you agrue with me you're calm and collective, is that right? Thats fantastic. And I don't have my right to say my piece, even though plenty agreed it would its a neat idea? Its kinda obvious who's the childish one in this match man, and it isn't me.

You're a very unreasonable person. ;)
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Oh no. Here we go again.

I was using logic while you were throwing your nastalgia into the mix full-force, then when people started backing up my side of the argument you just chalk me up to an angry whiner. Wow, I wish all of my issues with people could be solved so easily! :lol Seriously, when you start lobbying insults at people and claiming that they're getting "their panties in a bunch", you expect them to take you seriously? Then call me a child. That's rich :lol.

I'm tired of arguing. Hamill wouldn't make a good Joker, nor would Williams, and apparently Glover's too batshit insane to play the part. Can we ****ing settle this now, and stop this back-and-forth before people REALLY get mad? o_O
 
echoshifting said:
You guys should see if you can track down a YouTube of the Crispin Glover "interview" on David Letterman.

Yeah something tells me that wouldn't go over well with Bale. :D

Here, I found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALapHYNSmoA&search=Crispin Glover Letterman
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Yeah, that's definintely a classic moment of all late night moments. I'll admit though, I felt bad for him when he was on Letterman a couple years ago while Will Ferrell was subbing (when Letterman had shingles). Glover was being pretty normal and nice, but Ferrell seemed simultaneously uninterested and hostile.
 
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