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dreammastah said:
Great post.
TheGreatDave said:
And this. I can see why they're doing it "lol buy the disc you fucks", but it reeks.
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Great post.
And this. I can see why they're doing it "lol buy the disc you fucks", but it reeks.
cr_blah_blah
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TheGreatDave said:
Yeah, I do understand that. The albums are obviously aimed for Rock Band 2 owners or people looking to upgrade soon. I just think they assume their fans will just move onto 2 (whenever it's release in their territory) and are catering to that. Withholding songs to force people to upgrade does seem messed up to those not yet buying 2, but rewards those who did. I'd guess that's how they see it. Not tricking people into buying the same songs twice is still pretty valid though if nothing else. That's obviously not really a platform but I see why they would do it. PS3 owners could make the same arguments of having the album and not that song since they don't even have the standalone game either.
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I refuse to believe their decision making is in any way based on the idea of helping the consumer. Ugh. Shit like this is so annoying. Especially when I REALLY want to sing Peace Sells.
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TheGreatDave said:
Hey, at least we get World Tour soon, right?
TheGreatDave
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If only all companies were as special and lovely as Activision.
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TheGreatDave said:
As much as it pains me... I... agree?
I FEEL DIRTY.
Christoff Yurievich
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I'm not as notorious a PS3 owner as those two, eh?Duck said:
also, Panic at the Disco is no longer referred to as Panic! At the Disco. Everyone knows that, duh.
what would you suggest? And are we talking real country (pre nineties "pop") or current country (the aforementioned pop country)?rhfb said:
Damn Dave, hyperbole much? I doubt they sat down and planned this, all the while twirling their handlebar moustaches. I think that's reserved for that "it's fucking fun" guy at Neversoft. :lolTheGreatDave said:
TheGreatDave
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Region free too. I'll be importing it a little early, cos I rock like that.
So lovely.
You think it's a coincidence that of the 5 albums they announced, 4 won't be "full albums" in Rock Band 1? I bet the 20 bonus tracks include a No Doubt song and a track from Texas Flood which makes those sets incomplete on Rock Band 1 too.
So lovely.
bune duggy said:
You think it's a coincidence that of the 5 albums they announced, 4 won't be "full albums" in Rock Band 1? I bet the 20 bonus tracks include a No Doubt song and a track from Texas Flood which makes those sets incomplete on Rock Band 1 too.
Foxtastical
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I honestly have no idea how people can like the vocals that come from Panic at the Disco.
Christoff Yurievich
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not so much a coincidence as a "buy RB2 to get the whole experience". How many people do you think will not be getting RB2? Not many. I think HMX is counting on the missing songs to drive RB2 sales. Not so much a "fucking over" but a little nudge in the right direction. But that could be my marketing degree talking.TheGreatDave said:
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bune duggy said:
bune duggy said:not so much a coincidence as a "buy RB2 to get the whole experience". How many people do you think will not be getting RB2? Not many. I think HMX is counting on the missing songs to drive RB2 sales. Not so much a "fucking over" but a little nudge in the right direction. But that could be my marketing degree talking.
Whut?
TheGreatDave
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I was gonna say...
I'm going to get Rock Band 2. When they feel I'm worthy of purchasing their game. In the meantime, I'm being fucked over, and there's nothing I can do about it. What's the point of full album DLC when a song (and usually the best song) is missing?
I'm going to get Rock Band 2. When they feel I'm worthy of purchasing their game. In the meantime, I'm being fucked over, and there's nothing I can do about it. What's the point of full album DLC when a song (and usually the best song) is missing?
Affeinvasion
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I think the simple fact is that people like Dave are the miniscule minority. Harmonix wants to sell the new software, not just DLC. DLC download numbers will never be anywhere near the revenue made from software sales. This also explains why the Guitar Hero franchise doesn't give a flying fuck about DLC.
It really doesn't, though. The platform idea is that you never lose songs as you buy new software (aka upgrade the platform). Making every bit of DLC completely backwards/legacy compatible means that it's just that much harder to make improvements to the game engine.Ten-Song said:
No6 said:
Yeah, I can see it going either way, so the argument doesn't really matter much to me. One example I guess would be that I could still buy songs from iTunes if I hadn't upgraded to 8.0 yet, but along a similar counterpoint, there have been features and such that I couldn't access in previous versions of the software that have at times forced me to upgrade.
I don't really care, I get the game in two more days.
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Affeinvasion said:
I'm not sure what your point is. I completely understand the concept of keeping tracks exclusive for a disc. That's fine. I am very much a pro disc sequel guy. I'm not crying because I can't download Painkiller right now. What I'm complaining about is the fact Harmonix stressed that they see DLC for Rock Band as being for neither game in particular, but for all versions. Yet they've intentionally gone with a system where to have a full album, you have to buy their new game, for more than just this one album.
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No6 said:
Sony manage it with Singstar. What they've been doing with the PS3 version of that series is fantastic, and really puts Harmonix to shame. They're not quite at the point where you never need to buy another disc yet I don't think, as some songs aren't available in the store that are on discs, but they're doing a much better job of it. Singstar 1 for PS3 is updated to include the features of Singstar 2, for free.
I think
I'd like to see a quote for that. I know they stressed that your DLC would move with you, but I don't recall them ever saying "hey it's cool if you're too cheap to buy RB2". And at least things do move forward; I certainly hope to see you complain about Activision double-dipping if they ever release a full album containing a song from GH3/A/DLC.TheGreatDave said:
Hell, it's not like RB1 ever took advantage of full albums since everything just got dumped into a giant DLC list.
Isn't Singstar way more barebones than RB?
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Well, would it make you happy to learn that the SingStore in the US is pretty damn gimped compared to the European one?TheGreatDave said:
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Not the end of the world, dude. You modded it once...bune duggy said:
http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5132
http://www.instructables.com/id/Overdrive-Pedal-for-Rockband-Stratocaster-PS3-Xb/
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No6 said:
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66868
Q:Will Rock Band 1 DLC continue after release of Rock Band 2?
A:There is no "Rock Band 1" DLC or "Rock Band 2 DLC", all DLC is cross-compatible.
I don't care about "double dipping". GH:WT has a song I paid for in GH:3, it's annoying but whatever. I'm complaining about not being able to buy a full album because I don't buy Rock Band 2.
Affeinvasion
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DGRP said:
I think this is the bigger point against the platform idea is this...not being able to carry over stats, scores, or bands kind of sucks.
To be honest we are lucky that the new DLC even works with RB1...it actually pisses me off a bit though. Does that mean that all new DLC will not take advantage of new features like the hammer-on chords?
Prawntoast
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Affeinvasion said:
I'm with Dave on this one. Harmonix are giving all the territories that are not part of the initial launch a kick in the balls by releasing partial album downloads.
It's likely that Europe won't see a RB2 release until early next year, so we're stuck with incomplete album DLC until then.
Your argument seems to be that Harmonix wants users to upgrade to RB2 and this DLC stategy will help drive that. Believe me I want to buy RB2, but until they put together an UK release I am basically fucked.
sublime085
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Yeah, pretty much.Affeinvasion said:
Actually I've read that the songs in the All That Remains pack have slightly different guitar charts in RB1 and RB2 due to the differences in the engine. So I guess they will be supporting both engines separately in the DLC.
Take that with a grain of salt though, it could have been bullshit.
IGN review of Rock Band 2:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/909/909663p1.html
9.5 Presentation
Superb execution, with perfect camera cuts on stage and plenty of your band's personality shining through.
8.0 Graphics
It looks almost identical graphically, which is fine, since last year's model was pretty enough to get the job done.
9.5 Sound
A stellar soundtrack that is, without question, the greatest assemblage of songs to date for a videogame.
9.0 Gameplay
Little has changed in terms of how the game plays, but there have been some very welcome additions. Battle of the Bands is inspired. World Tour, though, needs a revamp.
10 Lasting Appeal
There's still a hefty amount of time to waste on World Tour, but it's the dynamic Player Challenges and Battle of the Bands that will have you hooked for the next year.
9.0 OVERALL
Outstanding
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/909/909663p1.html
9.5 Presentation
Superb execution, with perfect camera cuts on stage and plenty of your band's personality shining through.
8.0 Graphics
It looks almost identical graphically, which is fine, since last year's model was pretty enough to get the job done.
9.5 Sound
A stellar soundtrack that is, without question, the greatest assemblage of songs to date for a videogame.
9.0 Gameplay
Little has changed in terms of how the game plays, but there have been some very welcome additions. Battle of the Bands is inspired. World Tour, though, needs a revamp.
10 Lasting Appeal
There's still a hefty amount of time to waste on World Tour, but it's the dynamic Player Challenges and Battle of the Bands that will have you hooked for the next year.
9.0 OVERALL
Outstanding
TheGreatDave
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I'm fairly sure I know the answer, but do the leaderboards not carry over? Say you play Rock Band 2 and I'm on your friends list, you can't see my score for DLC we share?
This sorta answers what I asked but at the same time provides almost no support for what you want, since they are doing exactly what they say.TheGreatDave said:
No, what you're really complaining about is that you don't get one song as DLC because it's already on the RB2 disc (along with 83 other songs you can't get as DLC), which is really laughable coming from you. RB1 has no real means of using full albums, so complaining specifically it about is pointless, and going into conniptions due to a misperceived betrayal is ridiculous.
Ok Feel the pain (dino jr.) and De-lux (lush) on the ion drums is pure heaven.
They are just so much fun with their perfectly placed cymbal crashes.
+1 on the ion drums
Because the pads are spread out and you can move around the set much easier, it makes figuring out a beat (properly) much more satisfying and it actually aids in understanding how these songs are meant to be played. I'm unlearning a few bad habits I've picked up by playing on the old stock set. If anyone wants to really test their metal on the drums, you need to give the daddies a second look... its honestly a whole new game.
I should have taken my childhood drumming hobby seriously because I think I could have been much better then I ever thought.
EDIT: Also, these things should have come with the third cymbal. I've since ordered it, but it should have been in the original package. Anyone thinking about getting the ion drums, better go ahead and factor in the third cymbal because your ear is going to figure out when it should be reaching up to slam a cymbal (instead of the blue pad) and you are going to end up hitting the green cymbal instead. You can't forsee things like that, but no this... 3 cymbals is necessary.
They are just so much fun with their perfectly placed cymbal crashes.
+1 on the ion drums
Because the pads are spread out and you can move around the set much easier, it makes figuring out a beat (properly) much more satisfying and it actually aids in understanding how these songs are meant to be played. I'm unlearning a few bad habits I've picked up by playing on the old stock set. If anyone wants to really test their metal on the drums, you need to give the daddies a second look... its honestly a whole new game.
I should have taken my childhood drumming hobby seriously because I think I could have been much better then I ever thought.
EDIT: Also, these things should have come with the third cymbal. I've since ordered it, but it should have been in the original package. Anyone thinking about getting the ion drums, better go ahead and factor in the third cymbal because your ear is going to figure out when it should be reaching up to slam a cymbal (instead of the blue pad) and you are going to end up hitting the green cymbal instead. You can't forsee things like that, but no this... 3 cymbals is necessary.
sublime085
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Reviews! Aww, yeah! It is so close!
Good score, btw.
Good score, btw.
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No6 said:
I don't care that I can't get a song on the Rock Band 2 disc, I care that the "full album" DLC they're releasing isn't a full album for me. That Peace Sells is one of my most wanted tracks to play is a happy little coincidence. I'm not sure what exactly you're defending here. It's messed up to announce 4 full albums and not have them be full unless you purchase a new game after saying DLC works for both games. Ideally they should just feature albums that don't have tracks on either disc.
So if the Harmonix PR (or however it was that the albums were actually announced) had said "nearly full-albums, with the rest on the RB2 disc", you'd have no complaints? Because it's not like there's a gun to your head, forcing you to buy every bit of DLC the day of release. Nor is there any actual incentive to have full album DLC in RB1 since the game does nothing to support it.TheGreatDave said:
Prawntoast
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No6 said:
I agree that it is EA that dictates the release schedule of disc-based content but the lack of full album DLC for non-RB2 customers lies squarely at the door of Harmonix. DLC is their baby.
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No6 said:
If the announcement from day one had said "this will not be a full album in Rock Band 1" I'd be a little less annoyed, yeah. It's the entire principle that gets to me, not just because of this one album in particular but because they've now set it up so this happens for 3 other albums as well.
And even if Rock Band 1 doesn't "support" albums, I still like them. I don't like The Cars, but I couldn't have just bought one of their songs; it had to be all or nothing. It's the same reason I have entire albums downloaded on my PC when I only like a single.
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Justin said:
Obviously. I'm a whore. But seeing as we don't have a release date yet I don't know when.
Chances are I'll be importing the PS2 version again like last year.
All these bitter tears over Peace Sells, it's not even a good song, kids. Calm down.
to hear you're enjoying it though.
I can rock a mean RB1 drum session but I'm afraid I haven't the faintest idea how a real set works. I would have no idea when a green, blue, or yellow should have been a cymbal or anything like that. GladDirtbag 504 said:
ish
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border said:
I'll buy the PS2 version until I can buy the 360 version. I did the same last year. Just because I whine doesn't mean I don't give Harmonix far too much money.
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XShagrath said:
I'm pretty sure I wasn't complaining about not being able to get a full album download when Doolittle came out.
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