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[Crossing Eden]

I love how people still keep trying to convince themselves a year later TFA wasn't a mediocre remake of ANH.

I love how people keep trying to convince themselves that the majority of film critics were wrong and that general audiences are all wrong as well on the quality of a great film. It's hilarious to see really. "No no guys, YOU'RE ALL WRONG, the movie sucks, because I said so, on a forum."

 

[DeathyBoy]

I love how people keep trying to convince themselves that the majority of film critics were wrong and that general audiences are all wrong as well on the quality of a great film. It's hilarious to see really. "No no guys, YOU'RE ALL WRONG, the movie sucks, because I said so, on a forum."

No, but see ROTS was a better film because there was a light sabre fight that went on long time and it was so intense and choreographed and egmagerd Rey has a vagina and made Han look old.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I love how people keep trying to convince themselves that the majority of film critics were wrong and that general audiences are all wrong as well on the quality of a great film. It's hilarious to see really. "No no guys, YOU'RE ALL WRONG, the movie sucks, because I said so, on a forum."

A majority of film critics and general audiences loved Skyfall and Marvel movies but GAF still keeps the knives out of those. Nothing is sacred here in these walls.

 

[Bronx-Man]

No, but see ROTS was a better film because there was a light sabre fight that went on long time and it was so intense and choreographed and egmagerd Rey has a vagina and made Han look old.

I'm gonna let you in on a secret

it's possible to think that tfa is mediocre and all the prequels are dogshit

 

[Veelk]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1161509

The OP is quality, and there is some good discussion, but despite this my long-term plan is to fire that thread into the sun. I just wish the entire inane argument could go with it.

I should probably save that post in a doc file or something then.

Do you guys really just delete threads after a while? I thought they were kept stored somewhere.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I'm gonna let you in on a secret

it's possible to think that tfa is mediocre and all the prequels are dogshit

I'll let you in on a secret, I think The Avengers is mediocre. But I don't start countless threads over it and call Black Widow a Mary Sue.

 

[kswiston]

I'll let you in on a secret, I think The Avengers is mediocre. But I don't start countless threads over it and call Black Widow a Mary Sue.

Black Widow would be the worst Mary Sue of all time. What did she even do in Age of Ultron?

Spoiler

I get your point

 

[Bronx-Man]

I'll let you in on a secret, I think The Avengers is mediocre. But I don't start countless threads over it and call Black Widow a Mary Sue.

I don't even think Rey is a mary sue, so if you wanna complain about that, go to Max Landis' dumbass and confront him about that.

 

[MHWilliams]

I love how people still keep trying to convince themselves a year later TFA wasn't a mediocre remake of ANH.

TFA was a great remake of ANH.

 

[Timu]

Well deserved, really good movie.

 

[Forsaken82]

51% decline, that $4B still looking good Disney?

Spoiler

/s

This is a joke post right?

 

[Dominator]

This is a joke post right?

Click the spoiler.

 

[PeskyToaster]

I love how people still keep trying to convince themselves a year later TFA wasn't a mediocre remake of ANH.

I too love that climatic lightsaber battle at the end of ANH. Very memorable.

 

[Bronetta]

TFA was a great remake of ANH.

 

[Bronx-Man]

TFA was a great remake of ANH.

You must've seen the cut without 15 minutes of those goofy-ass Rhatars and the First Order building something other a 3rd goddamn death star.

I too love that climatic lightsaber battle at the end of ANH. Very memorable.

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

I love how people still keep trying to convince themselves a year later TFA wasn't a mediocre remake of ANH.

TFA is an enjoyable but highly derivative film. That is and always will be part of Abrams shtick. It was a fun, nostalgic trip back to Star Wars. It however does not hold a candle to any of the original three films but it is infinitely more watchable then the Prequels.

 

[bonesmccoy]

I only saw TFA once while it was in the theatres. I'll definitely see Rogue One at least once more.

TFA was a great remake of ANH.

It was a great 'remake' of the entire OT. All that material is pretty much used up now. And the slate is mostly clean? The FO is probably in pieces, the Republic definitely is, and the Resistance has like 8 X-Wings left and Leia's dumpy converted B-Wing.

 

[DarkGorgon]

I thought Rogue One was great and actually preferred it over TFA

Please don't hate me!

 

[Timu]

I thought Rogue One was great and actually preferred it over TFA

Please don't hate me!

A lot of people will agree with you on that.

 

[Sanjuro]

Rouge One was a bad remake of Denzel Washington's Magnificent Seven.

 

[Jumeira]

Definitely not better than Episode 7 in terms of quality or sales.

Agreed. Just got back, it's a good SW movie, very good, but not close to TFA

 

[Haloid1177]

I thought Rogue One was great and actually preferred it over TFA

Please don't hate me!

Nah bruh you got the right opinion.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Agreed. Just got back, it's a good SW movie, very good, but not close to TFA

RO seems inferior to me in every way - acting, characters, CGI, budget, dialogue - in every major area TFA has it beat yet there is this growing tide of people claiming RO is the better film. People, watch TFA again after watching RO.

 

[MHWilliams]

You must've seen the cut without 15 minutes of those goofy-ass Rhatars and the First Order building something other a 3rd goddamn death star.

The Rhatars were goofy, but the point of the scene was to show Han was still in the game. Plus Rey and Film's excitement at surviving that whole scene was great.

I don't fault Death Star #3, because why not? No one's bothering you and their first strike destroyed five goddamn planets in one shot. Much better than a Death Star. Is your problem that they built another superweapon?

Seriously, if we're talking about 10 minutes bringing down a 2 hour, 15 minute film, then we should be all over RO's rogue opening acts and missed characterization opportunities. Of course, I'm not the one making that argument.

 

[PeskyToaster]

You must've seen the cut without 15 minutes of those goofy-ass Rhatars and the First Order building something other a 3rd goddamn death star.

That's like a minute long scene in the middle of the movie.

 

[Haloid1177]

RO seems inferior to me in every way - acting, characters, CGI, budget, dialogue - in every major area TFA has it beat yet there is this growing tide of people claiming RO is the better film. People, watch TFA again after watching RO.

Watched it before RO and after RO and still think RO is better.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Watched it before RO and after RO and still think RO is better.

I doubt that.

OT this is going to be big in China because of Donnie Yen alone.

 

[Sanjuro]

The charisma and performance from the leads in Force Awakens already pushed the needle farther for me in direct comparison.

The best performance in Rogue One is from a droid, then there is a steep drop off.

 

[Haloid1177]

I doubt that.

I've been on a disgusting Star Wars kick this entire week like it's obsessive at this point.

 

[MHWilliams]

RO seems inferior to me in every way - acting, characters, CGI, budget, dialogue - in every major area TFA has it beat yet there is this growing tide of people claiming RO is the better film. People, watch TFA again after watching RO.

Watched it before RO and after RO and still think RO is better.

They're very different films. They do different things well and has different aims. TFA was meant to bring back Star Wars for a mainstream audience. RO is meant to show how flexible the concept and universe is.

I think they both succeed and which one you enjoy depends on what you want out of Star Wars.

Edit: as an example

The charisma and performance from the leads in Force Awakens already pushed the needle farther for me in direct comparison.

The best performance in Rogue One is from a droid, then there is a steep drop off.

TFA creates a strong emotional connection to the involved characters. RO is more about their mission and the overall meaning of that sacrifice. TFA is about Rey and Finn. RO is about the Rebellion and its third act tension is seeing everyone pitch in against overwhelming odds.

 

[Haloid1177]

They're very different films. They do different things well and has different aims. TFA was meant to bring back Star Wars for a mainstream audience. RO is meant to show how flexible the concept and universe is.

I think they both succeed and which one you enjoy depends on what you want out of Star Wars.

Oh I agree. I completely understand what TFA had to do for Lucasfilm and the franchise and I thought it worked out really well. But I enjoy this time period in Star Wars and it felt inherently different than anything I've seen in the franchise, and unlike the prequels it was a good different.

I think that TFA did have the better leads, but they also had the knowledge they had more movies with the cast. The characters in this film felt like soldiers to me, a single goal and insurmountable odds that didn't need to have a ton of focus thrust upon them, unlike Rey.

 

[MHWilliams]

Oh I agree. I completely understand what TFA had to do for Lucasfilm and the franchise and I thought it worked out really well. But I enjoy this time period in Star Wars and it felt inherently different than anything I've seen in the franchise, and unlike the prequels it was a good different.

I think that TFA did have the better leads, but they also had the knowledge they had more movies with the cast. The characters in this film felt like soldiers to me, a single goal and insurmountable odds that didn't need to have a ton of focus thrust upon them, unlike Rey.

Pretty much, as I said in my edit. I don't fault those that preferred one to the other. I think RO has one if the strongest third acts on the franchise.

To use an Extended Universe example, some prefer the Rogue Squadron books to something like Traitor or the rest of the New Jedi Order. Different story types.

 

[Sanjuro]

TFA creates a strong emotional connection to the involved characters. RO is more about their mission and the overall meaning of that sacrifice. TFA is about Rey and Finn. RO is about the Rebellion and its third act tension is seeing everyone pitch in against overwhelming odds.

That difference in narrative is set up perfectly to learn more about these characters through foxhole driven dialog. Leaving the film, I learned practically nothing interesting about these new characters, even when I wasn't anticipating the same level of attachment to the viewer. I needed to care about someone. This film just didn't set out to accomplish that.