phazedplasma
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Are you not a huge fan of the OT?
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Rogue One Reviews & Impressions (Spoiler Tags Required)
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Are you not a huge fan of the OT?
When you say german showing that probably also includes german dubbed right?
Just asking because from my own experience a bad (or just not a real good) dub can go a long way to make characters look way worse than they are in the original.
I for example really don't think i would have liked Kylo Ren in the german dubbed version (to which i listened a bit on the blu ray version) since it is such a thin line with him between a good delivery and something that sounds just too emo.
But i'm just overall not a big fan of dubs.
demosthenes
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Can you comment on the underlined? How can you tell this at all? And an you tell us the basis for why you think half thought ti was great and half thought it was ok/disappointing?
Luckily press previews generally use the original voices, as was the case here. It was the original version.
I like them but I didn't grow up with them. So I don't really count myself among the big Star Wars fans, even though I read a few books, played a whole lot of SW games and of course watched all of the movies. There's obviously a difference between people like me - who enjoy the universe but don't think the OT is the be-all end- all for the franchise - and the people who grew up with them and hold the OT in a very special place in their heart.
Talked with quite a few and general chatter in the Foyer after the movie. Comparisons with 7 were running rampant. Obviously not a mathematically correct statistic
Entirely possible it's actually 1/4 to 3/4 or other way around.demosthenes
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Luckily press previews generally use the original voices, as was the case here. It was the original version.
I like them but I didn't grow up with them. So I don't really count myself among the big Star Wars fans, even though I read a few books, played a whole lot of SW games and of course watched all of the movies. There's obviously a difference between people like me - who enjoy the universe but don't think the OT is the be-all end- all for the franchise - and the people who grew up with them and hold the OT in a very special place in their heart.
Talked with quite a few and general chatter in the Foyer after the movie. Comparisons with 7 were running rampant. Obviously not a mathematically correct statistic
Gotcha, I assumed there had to have been talking in there.
Extra Sauce
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I don't expect compelling characters from the dude who made Godzilla 2014.
Why do people insist on spoiling themselves so close to release? I'll never understand it
Maybe.
Seriously, I can spoil the whole movie for you in 16 hours if you want to. But not before
Seriously, I can spoil the whole movie for you in 16 hours if you want to. But not before
For some, myself included, it doesn't really ruin the experience.
The Rottentomatoes score for this is going to be interesting tomorrow.
Same here for me as well.
Cross-Section
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Not quite as much as the Metacritic will be, I think. For comparison's sake, it was 81 for TFA (with the RT aggregate settling at 92%).
Am generally curious as to where both will fall for R1, given the impressions we have at the moment.
Not Spaceghost
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It's a way for some people to temper expectations so they don't spend the whole movie hoping for something that won't show up and they can just kick back and enjoy the ride.
It's a similar concept behind "I enjoyed it more the second time i saw it"
It's fun.
That too. I'm very glad that I spoiled myself for TFA because I would have been disappointed if I'd seen it blind. I had a lot of time to think over some of the choices they made beforehand and that made it better.
Maybe.
Seriously, I can spoil the whole movie for you in 16 hours if you want to. But not before
*stares at watch* We'll be waiting!
Is your GAF username so well known that you're risking something by discussing details?
Oh god, metacritic is going to be worse, it may fall in the 60-70 range, we'll see, hope I'm wrong.
dragonyeuw
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Personally I'm going in not expecting to see a saber used, if it happens then it's a pleasant surprise.
Haloid1177
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I'm going in expecting one and if it doesn't happen I will be both impressed they didn't go down that road but crushed they didn't go down that road.
I need Vader redemption after the prequels, dammit.
I don't really get how you could be disappointed seeing it in the film and not on paper.. that's bizarre to me.
I honestly don't get the obsession with spoilers either. For me, it's the opposite.. totally ruins the fun. I was spoiled on Han's death before I went in and it crushed me. Months before the film even came out. Sure, you're gunna see it again eventually but there's something really memorable and special about that first experience as it was designed to be seen by the director.
The fun is about not knowing and experiencing. Films aren't designed for people to know everything beforehand so I don't get where any of the "fun" comes from.
It wouldn't irk me as much if the spoiler obsession didn't negatively impact other people but it does. It's kind of a shame.
But to each their own.
phazedplasma
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I keep seeing this pop up but he didnt write Godzilla or Rogue One...
It's not just about the script. Direction can make or break characters in a film.
Haloid1177
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I would have been pretty bummed going into TFA, seeing Hamill making appearances, and then boom last scene only. That'd have soured me on the whole film. Knowing what to expect in that regard helped a ton.
Wow, really? I didn't even know about that months in advance, it was until the same month the movie was out I found out about Han's death after watching it.
WadiumArcadium
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I read a few of the early spoilers for TFA - I would have bet my house on Han dying anyway - but when 95% of the film leaked, I started to avoid them. I don't mind knowing a few bits and pieces but I wouldn't like to know how the entire film's going to pan out. That would ruin it for me. I've quit the spoiler thread now as no doubt the entire film will be out in the open soon.
Well of course, anything that's negative about the film is going to be easier to deal with knowing before hand but on the flip side of that you're dampering the reward of being surprised by the great stuff. Double edged sword there.
I'd personally rather take the good with the bad and be surprised. For me that's the entire enjoyment of seeing a film -- experiencing it fresh, as it was designed to be viewed.
That said, I don't mind watching official trailers and seeing/hearing tidbits here and there.
Yeah, I accidentally read it. Just two words.. was devastated because I didn't know any spoilers at all before that.
That's the fucked up part. A lot of people who don't want to be spoiled get shit ruined for them because of fans feverishly ripping through the internet to uncover all they can.
I'm really failing to see the fun in that.
thecouncil
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On the other end of the spectrum, if I don't go into the theater on Friday knowing everything that happens in this movie, I'm gonna be disappointed. Someone point me in the direction of all accurate spoilers.
Seeing how the movie actually comes out Thursday the whole plot will be online easily by Friday.
Yes, but if the material isn't in the script, you're grasping at nothing to find ways to make the character interesting.
If you look at the OT, those characters weren't necessarily acted well, but we like them because they were written well and given enough to work with that the audience can buy into that.
Right and I'm not blaming him for Godzilla, just pointing out that it's not just about a good script. I was speaking generally.
See, I just can't understand this perspective. I'm failing to see what is gained out of this.
I would have been disappointed if I went I blind because the plot of TFA is not what I would have wanted it to be. Following the leaks allowed me to acclimate myself to it.
I liked it.
I'm not a big SW guy, only seen EpIV and VII before this, so that perhaps colours my enjoyment of Rogue One, because a lot of the stuff is novel to me. The action sequences were good, particularly the stuff with Donnie Yen. I will say that I'd struggle to name any of the characters if put on the spot, I thought the characterization was a little poor but the spectacle and whiz bang of it all makes up for a weak cast of characters (portrayed by some great actors.)
For me though that first time experience of being surprised and watching everything unfold as a film is something you can't get back. You're always gunna be able to rewatch the movie as many times as you want and "acclimate" yourself to your hearts content. I saw TFA 7 times in theaters. Two ore three were acclimation, the rest were out of pure joy.
I'd rather have that memorable first experience and let the rest fall in place. I still remember my shock of learning Ren was Han's son, for example. Gasping with the audience was pretty cool. Those experiences don't exist with prior knowledge.
I mean, it wouldn't be hard to figure out but I don't see how it matters. I signed the NDA and I won't break it because that's not what you do in this business? They specifically allowed short tweets and posts on social media so that's all I got. Sorry, man.
Ouch. No mention of the
last 30 minutes though
Thanks for your impressions.
Damn, that's more like it. I wonder why this is so incredibly different from the post in this thread?
EDIT: Oops I misread that, I thought you said FIRST 40 min, my bad.
StopMakingSense
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He clearly talks about that in the quote?
Cross-Section
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I'm curious (and this can be addressed to SilentRob as well): I've no idea if you saw Godzilla (Gareth Edwards' last big blockbuster, for context) but if you did, how might you say it compares with R1?
Misread it, oops. Edited
Better in that it didn't concentrate too much on exposition or setting up a family drama that wasn't all that entertaining. However, there is a lack of dimension to the characters in R1, or at least I felt that way. I could describe them in broad strokes via a characteristic, but there's little to keep them in my mind.
Cross-Section
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Because both of the posters here are self-admitted casual fans and thus can maintain a bit of objectivity, whereas Sal is very obviously on the other end of the spectrum.
Not saying that fan reviews are totally worthless, but it's telling that the most that review evoked in me was this MST3K bit:
I forgot to talk about this: There are actually quite a lot of scenes and snippets of dialogue from the trailers missing in the movie. Mostly for the better since I don't think anyone will miss stuff like "You destroyed our hope!" (still a lot of "hope" talk left!) or "Good." "Good." But there were one or two specific scenes I was looking forward to that didn't happen.
Both are shot really, really well but both also suffer from often melodramatic dialogue. Edwards didn't write the movies though, so i don't know if I can fault him for that. Great thing about R1 is that you actually see the action happening (and it's goddamn amazing), even though it still stakes quite a lot of time to really get going in that regard
Meh I don't think that makes a whole lot of difference, I'd say there's just as many, if not more, HC fans that dislike TFA than casual fans.
Either way, criticism of the characters is something that I've been fearing and it seems to be creeping its way into impressions.
Megalosaro
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Is it weird I don't care for will wheaton. The dude is ok enough, but he seems like a pandering shill
Cross-Section
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Very interesting, and also kind of a bummer, given the star-studded cast. Hard to imagine that pre-reshoots, it was even worse, going by what I've heard both here and elsewhere.
Both are shot really, really well but both also suffer from often melodramatic dialogue. Edwards didn't write the movies though, so i don't know if I can fault him for that. Great thing about R1 is that you actually see the action happening (and it's goddamn amazing), even though it still stakes quite a lot of time to really get going in that regard
Yeah, script was Weitz and Gilroy, at least in terms of dialogue. That said, melodramatic dialogue was certainly an expectation of mine given that it IS a Star Wars (albeit one with a wildly different tone than the rest). Thankfully, so was spectacular cinematography!
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