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[thepenguin55]

This whole thing is terrible all around but as a fan of Rose McGowen it’s terrible to hear she was raped too. Just goes to show what a spineless individual Ben Affleck is. When someone you care about tells you they’ve just been raped you don’t just shrug your shoulders and move on with your day

 

[broncobuster]

While I get everyone feared the wrath of Weinstein's lawyers, something should have been done sooner.

That’s the problem. People tried doing something sooner. People failed because of said lawyers. People get blacklisted from the industry and serve as examples to keep quiet. Stories continued to circulate ‘unofficially’ because nothing would stick but most wouldn’t hear about them... until this past month.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Sickening

 

[Alligatorjandro]

$$$

Money, influence and power.

Literally for a lot of people. It comes down to this. If I say something will my career be ruined? This goes for the victims and even non victims. You say something like that you better make sure you have the receipts because somebody like him will destroy you.

He produced a lottttttttt of shit, especially award winning shit that could raise any given person’s profile tremendously. Even if he didn’t do it for someone the mere prospect that he could do it gave him the confidence to pull this shit on people who wanted to break into the industry or didn’t have a lot of experience.

Damn

 

[The Driver]

I gotta say though, the American pop culture purging of these fucks is very welcomed. It’s clearly shaking this industry to the core but it’s the enema that’s been needed for a longggggg time.

If that stuff that Fieldman/Elijah Wood with the kids is true or the fuck that harassed Crews is bigger than him or ready to go down also I hope it all comes out now. It’s the only way to stop this shit from happening and move forward.

 

[Opto]

Ok, well this is a fair point. I'm just getting caught up on the fuckery of Weinstein.

I mean, back in 97 he seemed very familiar with Weinstein's actions but of course he wasn't the star that he is now. And looking at IMDB, it doesn't seem like Harvey and Ben worked on any films together since 2001 (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back).

And this isn't all on Affleck, but we do have to consider that if enough established men had supported these women earlier, this wouldn't have gone on as long as it did.

 

[brianmcdoogle]

How does one man have so much power in Hollywood? Was everyone afraid of him?

He was a winner and pulled out all the stops for talent at times.

2003
—Weinstein was involved with four of the five Best Picture nominees: Gangs of New York, Chicago, The Hours, and The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (on which he and his brother are credited as producers).

Biskind writes that after The Pianist won Best Picture at the BAFTAs, Miramax panicked. A Miramax publicist called The Pianist director Roman Polanski a "rapist" and "child molester." Then an almost 30-year-old deposition from Polanski's victim appeared on the Smoking Gun website. It's hard to say whether Miramax unearthed the document, but, according to Biskind, Miramax did have their people fan the flames.

 

[metalslimer]

So both Aflecksare trash

 

[Warm Machine]

Isn't that what I said?

I quoted the wrong person. My bad

 

[Darkman M]

Oh man, now we got Lindsay Lohan over here saying people need to leave Harvey alone. It's not fair, apparently.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/l...ad-for-him-everyone-needs-to-stop-1202586659/

How many drugs are she on?

 

[luchadork]

i wonder if a lot of people werent like 'sleazy producers and casting couchs are a real thing. and desperate actresses wanting to make it in hollywood will do whatever it takes. but he'd never _rape_ them.'

 

[Famassu]

You mean like the victims spoke up about it? There’s a reason they didn’t. And a reason he didn’t. It was pointed out in the Terry Crews tweets. “Do you like your paycheck? Do you like having work? Do you like being ostracized from all of that?”

The self righteousness on display is pathetic. It’s super easy to sit here and criticize people while we have absolutely nothing to lose. It’s another thing to go out of work permanently because you stuck your neck out for a friend, were 100% in the right, but their lawyers were bigger than your lawyers and now you’re selling used cars in Reseda.

This sucks. Weinstein’s out of a job and hopefully the worst for him is yet to come. But the people who “stood by and did nothing” did so for the same reasons the victims did nothing. The same reason these fuckers keep getting away with it. Because they are powerful and with a phone call you lose the part or don’t work again. Morals are sacred, but so is eating.

1) Excuses excuses. Of course it's different if the woman herself doesn't want to come forward, but let's cut with the dumb suffering artist act. Ben Affleck hasn't been "starving artists works at Reseda" level of actor in decades.

2) It's not just the fact that no one did anything, it's Affleck's "oh if only anyone knew this was happening" act that makes it even worse. Hollywood knew. This shit doesn't stay a secret. People might not talk publicly, but they talk privately and that shit spreads like a forest fire. He doesn't get to act as if he would've been the saviour if only someone had just powered up the bat-fucking-signal. He knew, didn't do anything but tries to come out on the other side looking like one of the good guys.

 

[theofficefan99]

Rose must've felt soooo good writing that tweet. "lmfao you fucking enabler you're gonna try acting like a saint in public? Not on my watch."

 

[VeeP]

Wow, what a fucking prick. This Weinstein thing, I'm not surprised. A lot of people knew, but no one actor could stop him. So I'm not surprised Ben didn't step up. But this type of shit there's no excuse.

 

[Warm Machine]

I gotta say though, the American pop culture purging of these fucks is very welcomed. It’s clearly shaking this industry to the core but it’s the enema that’s been needed for a longggggg time.

If that stuff that Fieldman/Elijah Wood with the kids is true or the fuck that harassed Crews is bigger than him or ready to go down also I hope it all comes out now. It’s the only way to stop this shit from happening and move forward.

Didn’t Elijah Wood back down and say he had no proof just that he heard stories? Because in his case if he does know he has to report it to the police.

 

[Seesaw15]

Damn Thomas Wayne is gonna beat Bruce Waynes ass?

 

[broncobuster]

I gotta say though, the American pop culture purging of these fucks is very welcomed. It’s clearly shaking this industry to the core but it’s the enema that’s been needed for a longggggg time.

If that stuff that Fieldman/Elijah Wood with the kids is true or the fuck that harassed Crews is bigger than him or ready to go down also I hope it all comes out now. It’s the only way to stop this shit from happening and move forward.

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, those will continue to go unnoticed unless someone as powerful is willing to combat them, and probably for some financially motivated agenda.

Harvey Weinstein certainly isn’t alone in his behavior.

 

[Korey]

What the fuck...

Why are so many Milkshake Ducks materializing these days?

 

[Puck Beaverton]

All your favs enabled rapists

 

[old manatee]

1) Excuses excuses. Of course it's different if the woman herself doesn't want to come forward, but let's cut with the dumb suffering artist act. Ben Affleck hasn't been "starving artists works at Reseda" level of actor in decades.

2) It's not just the fact that no one did anything, it's Affleck's "oh if only anyone knew this was happening" act that makes it even worse. Hollywood knew. This shit doesn't stay a secret. People might not talk publicly, but they talk privately and that shit spreads like a forest fire. He doesn't get to act as if he would've been the saviour if only someone had just powered up the bat-fucking-signal. He knew, didn't do anything but tries to come out on the other side looking like one of the good guys.

oh shit

 

[Jigorath]

How does one man have so much power in Hollywood? Was everyone afraid of him?

I think it's less about fear and more about indifference. Remember, this is the same industry that gave a guy who drugged and raped a child an Oscar and a standing ovation. Hollywood has shown over and over again that they simply don't care about women being abused in their industry.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

Affleck really should have left off the "if only we knew". Such obvious bullshit.

 

[exmachina64]

What the fuck...

Why are so many Milkshake Ducks materializing these days?

The problem is that you think it's a recent phenomenon -- it's not.

 

[Talladega Knight]

Isn't she referring to Robert Rodriguez in her tweet?

 

[Shinypogs]

Perhaps it's just because I've always lived below the poverty line but I can safely say that my morals come before money. I'm far from a perfect person and there's shit I give passes to that other people don't. However unless a victim asked me to stay silent on such a matter you're damn right I'd go back to eating mr noodles and living in a tiny apartment over living with the knowledge that I let a predator keep abusing others. No money or job or accolades from adoring fans is going to erase the gnawing guilt that'd be consuming me. Maybe you lose the legal fight but at least you tried and perhaps the accused stops now that there was a case against them even if they win it.

As a person who has also been a victim their silence is more understandable whether they were payed off or not.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I mean, back in 97 he seemed very familiar with Weinstein's actions but of course he wasn't the star that he is now. And looking at IMDB, it doesn't seem like Harvey and Ben worked on any films together since 2001 (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back).

And this isn't all on Affleck, but we do have to consider that if enough established men had supported these women earlier, this wouldn't have gone on as long as it did.

You can't do anything vs those people unless you have a looooong fucking list of names willing to come forward which is never going to happen. There's people who constantly mention fuckery about Hollywood and nobody gives a fuck, not enough to make serious noise. This happens all the time. Only reason this is happening is someone around this cunt's power level wanted to drown him.

My issue with Ben is him pretending he didn't know. If he said something, it would have likely been mild rumors for a month until something else got everyone's attention and his career would have ended in 2001. Unless you get them on video on the act, there are no actors out there that can do much.

Perhaps it's just because I've always lived below the poverty line but I can safely say that my morals come before money. I'm far from a perfect person and there's shit I give passes to that other people don't. However unless a victim asked me to stay silent on such a matter you're damn right I'd go back to eating mr noodles and living in a tiny apartment over living with the knowledge that I let a predator keep abusing others. No money or job or accolades from adoring fans is going to erase the gnawing guilt that'd be consuming me. Maybe you lose the legal fight but at least you tried and perhaps the accused stops now that there was a case against them even if they win it.

As a person who has also been a victim their silence is more understandable whether they were payed off or not.

This isn't a case of just doing something my dude, the point is impunity. Did all of you people forget the banks that hold your money put the entire world on its knees and then Obama said here's some cash for fucking everyone in the ass (like any President in his place would have). They even came on private jets to get the money. When you get to a certain level of power, it's extremely difficult to take these people down. It's either by someone in their power or from some extreme circumstances.

 

[- J - D -]

If this is true then all 3 of DC's dceu trinity are played by assholes. Shieeet.

 

[luchadork]

whoa....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMq6xDHBKwQ

 

[joshcryer]

The fucked up thing about this "Hollywood dynamic" is that a lot of people actually "consent" to get better gigs. Just wait. How many producers "date" new up and coming actresses? It's appalling. And they almost always divorce in a few years (if they get married and don't break up). In a few months or years more and more women are going to talk about the power relationship fucking them over because men held the power in the relationship and they "consented" to it.

Many are not coming forward because it would tarnish their image, because of that, even when we have this overwhelming outpouring against a single person. It's pervasive. It's not one guy. A lot more guys out there did this, and it will only get worse as more and more people come out about it. This is just the tip of the ice berg.

 

[Not]

What the fuck...

Why are so many Milkshake Ducks materializing these days?

Information spreads quickly before it can be snuffed out.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

What the fuck...

Why are so many Milkshake Ducks materializing these days?

They were on a time delay for when ppl thought social media would blow up

 

[VeeP]

The problem is that you think it's a recent phenomenon -- it's not.

Yep. Look at someone like Woody Allen who's own kid came out against him. But Hollywood still supports him, many actresses and actors still work with him. Do they know? Hell yea they do. But as long as they can keep their career's, and get put in a movie by an award winning director they will ignore it.

 

[LiK]

Holy shit, this is damning

 

[Frankie Williamson]

Asia Argento's directed rape scene in 1999:

https://twitter.com/AsiaArgento/status/917770645966114816

 

[Laughing Banana]

Wow, truth really bugged you huh?

Wow, people really going to bat for Affleck here.

The idea that there all these factors "keeping" people from doing the right thing.

Patriarchy doesn't have a scratch on it.

The difference of treatment between Affleck and Terry Crews' thread is startling, even though in Terry Crews' case he explicitly stated that he chose not to do anything to the Hollywood Executive molesting him because he feared for his career.

I suppose a key difference here is that facebook post made by Affleck.

Edit: and this, wow, I just noticed it:

 

[Volimar]

If this is true then all 3 of DC's dceu trinity are played by assholes. Shieeet.

What did Cavill and Gadot do? Aside from Gadot defending Israel re: Palestinians.

 

[Seesaw15]

whoa....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMq6xDHBKwQ

Dude seems black out drunk. Sloppy af.

 

[Intheflorsh]

whoa....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMq6xDHBKwQ

Eeeesh

 

[AuthenticM]

whoa....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMq6xDHBKwQ

this again lol

for those who have never seen this: this was a PR stunt. Ben didn't assault the woman.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Is protecting Weinstein really worth it?

 

[Anoxida]

The difference of treatment between Affleck and Terry Crews' thread is startling, even though in Terry Crews' case he explicitly stated that he chose not to do anything to the Hollywood Executive molesting him because he feared for his career.

I suppose a key difference here is that facebook post made by Affleck.

Yep. Especially when it's not up to Affleck to out these stories about other people. His post IS fucking bullshit though.

 

[UserNotFound]

Perhaps it's just because I've always lived below the poverty line but I can safely say that my morals come before money. I'm far from a perfect person and there's shit I give passes to that other people don't. However unless a victim asked me to stay silent on such a matter you're damn right I'd go back to eating mr noodles and living in a tiny apartment over living with the knowledge that I let a predator keep abusing others. No money or job or accolades from adoring fans is going to erase the gnawing guilt that'd be consuming me. Maybe you lose the legal fight but at least you tried and perhaps the accused stops now that there was a case against them even if they win it.

As a person who has also been a victim their silence is more understandable whether they were payed off or not.

It's easy to say how we all would act in such a situation, but Harvey Weinstein and the Weinstein company were the Oscar golden ticket. They had the ability to elevate any actors, mediocre or otherwise, into the global sphere. Miramax and Weinstein company were the kind of producers that could guarantee box office hits. If you're an up and coming actor and you wanted exposure and a shot at an Oscar, that was it.

There are many actors who would kill their families for that kind of opportunity. It's not just money.

 

[Replicant]

this again lol

for those who have never seen this: this was a PR stunt. Ben didn't assault the woman.

Yeah, he just assaulted a barely-legal girl instead:

 

[Boke1879]

Affleck's post is bullshit. He knew what was going on and I don't know why he tried to act like he didn't.

But it's not up to him to out something when someone confided in him.

 

[Volimar]

Affleck's post is bullshit. He knew what was going on and I don't know why he tried to act like he didn't.

But it's not up to him to out something when someone confided in him.

He could have been a hell of a lot more supportive though.

 

[AuthenticM]

Yeah, he just assaulted a barely-legal girl instead:

yes, but this doesn't have anything to do with his interview with AML.

 

[Shauni]

What did Cavill and Gadot do? Aside from Gadot defending Israel re: Palestinians.

Yeah, was kind of wondering that myself lol

 

[Replicant]

yes, but this doesn't have anything to do with his interview with AML.

It's got everything to do with it. He's a hypocrite and that is why he can't say much about Weinstein. It'd point the attention to himself (or his brother). Too late now.

 

[norm9]

We gonna have lots of left leaners eating the rest of the hypocritical left, but it's necessary. In the words of Em, momma, Gotta clean out the closet...

 

[Volimar]

It's got everything to do with it. He's a hypocrite and that is why he can't say much about Weinstein. It'd point the attention to himself. Too late now.

I get AuthenticM's point though. If you're going to condemn Ben then do it for things he's actually guilty of. Otherwise you risk the real stuff getting washed out with the "fake news" stuff.