Is it wrong to say, That would be absolutely the greatest movie of all time.Jibril said:
The real life heroes you love vs the fictional ones. One must fall combat!!!!
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The real life heroes you love vs the fictional ones. One must fall combat!!!!
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So is it a safe bet that we can guarantee a sequel to Avatar?
Jibril said:
Avatar, without a shadow of a doubt. TDK is a great movie, but it doesn't have the sheer joy and sense of wonder that Avatar holds, nor does it hold that kind of hypnotizing power over me that Avatar does. Its also horribly difficult to rewatch at home, which is when the thrill of the theatrical experience is gone and you notice the clunky areas. When you consider the action, scope and art direction of Avatar, it becomes clear which is the winner. Basically: TDK for writing, Avatar for everything else.
SpeedingUptoStop said:
And here we go!
Guardian Bob said:
Well, that puts my fears at ease! Sit back fellas, Cameron gonna deliver again.
Saw it a second time yesterday at around 11 AM. The theater was packed, and almost sold out! School was canceled on Monday and Tuesday due to that insane snow storm, and there were lots of families in attendance. Just some anecdotal evidence that the parts of the North East that got snowed in haven't forgotten about this film.
As much as I enjoyed it the first time, I liked it that much more the second as I was able to take in the more subtle things this time. And that I See You song is really starting to grow on me.
I so want to see a sequel to this, but I want Battle Angel just as much.
Has anybody picked up the artbook yet? Is it worth it?
As much as I enjoyed it the first time, I liked it that much more the second as I was able to take in the more subtle things this time. And that I See You song is really starting to grow on me.
I so want to see a sequel to this, but I want Battle Angel just as much.
Has anybody picked up the artbook yet? Is it worth it?
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sprsk said:
Pfft, IMAX (true imax) costs $24.50 here.
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Listening to 'You don't dream in Cryo' really reminds you how epic the opening of AVATAR is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyC1Ffp6Ahc I love the horn at 2:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyC1Ffp6Ahc I love the horn at 2:46
Scullibundo said:
That's exactly how I feel about it. First few minutes where breathtaking. Establishing itself as the 2001 of our generation in terms of technical achievement.The entire first 10-20 minutes was beyond what I could have ever expected it to be.
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Solo said:
This Rottenwatch thread has moved FAST.
Jibril said:
Calling it the 2001 of our time isnt really apt. 2001 was panned initially and no one knew what to make of it. Took many years for it to get the respect and esteem it now has. Star Wars is a much more apt comparison.
Scullibundo said:
7000 posts in 13 days. Id say so!
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Solo said:
Exactly. What 2001 unearthed in so many people was that cinema could be anything. It didn't have to follow the sensory motor-schema - the film language that audiences had now ingrained in their minds as expected. 2001 was revolutionary in more than how it was shot and produced.
Solo said:
Really I didn't know that. I personally thought 2001 was pretty damn amazing considering technical limitations back then. Much like in 2001, the first 20 minutes of AVATAR made everything look real, as if it actually was possible. It looked like you've just been transported decades into the future. 2001's set pieces ect. Where damn good. When I remember Star Wars( last time I watched it was 3 years ago), I get the feeling that it's too far up fantasy valley ( puppetry etc.) in terms of some set pieces and why things happen.
But yeah, in terms of reception. It's much more similar to Star Wars.
Star Wars I must watch again. *Yoda nod*
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The green logo is obviously foreshadowing of AVATAR2 which will be much darker than the original.
I won't fully compare TDK and Avatar yet. I've seen TDK like 12 times (mainly Blu-ray) and I could watch it an infinite number of times more. Something about the film just cries out to me. Personally, after 2 viewings of Avatar, I think TDK is the better film with respect to plot, characters, acting, depth and editing. But Avatar is the better experience, namely because of the cinematography, art direction, aesthetic splendor, imagination and sheer scale of it all. That's not to say Avatar doesn't have a decent plot and some fantastic characters, but just not on the same level as TDK, which to me threw the entire comic book movie possibilities book upside down. It plays more like an action packed layered thriller than a typical comic book movie. Whereas Avatar is still at the core, a rather typical action blockbuster film, just with a lot more grandeur and technical potency. That said, I actually think Avatar tugs at far more emotions than TDK does, so who knows, maybe it is too early for me to properly compare.
All I know is, both films are sublime.
All I know is, both films are sublime.
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I just got back from this movie (yeah I know im LTTP) and I thought 2 things
1. First hour and a half was useless, I don't want to watch Pocahontas HD
2. Fight Scene at the end was good
I've only seen the last page so the only debate I see right now is the Avatar vs. Dark Knight one...I say TDK by a mile. I think some people are forcing themselves to like Avatar because they were part of the hype machine, and if they don't trick themselves into believing it, their souls will be crushed.
TLDR: Average movie, TDK is better
1. First hour and a half was useless, I don't want to watch Pocahontas HD
2. Fight Scene at the end was good
I've only seen the last page so the only debate I see right now is the Avatar vs. Dark Knight one...I say TDK by a mile. I think some people are forcing themselves to like Avatar because they were part of the hype machine, and if they don't trick themselves into believing it, their souls will be crushed.
TLDR: Average movie, TDK is better
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stuburns said:
I was just throwing it out there. Also, I just started posting on GAF so I was trying to get quoted for the first time by saying something ignorant.
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This track from the Lab scene is just haunting. Amazingly powerful, especially the vocal at the end. Haunting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJP3u7ZAno&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJP3u7ZAno&feature=related
TDK is better. And I didn't even like it that much on the second view. It was pretty entertaining on the first time though.
And the Star Wars comparison is pretty believable. The biggest difference between those movies is a memorable cast though. And do I need to mention the score...
And the Star Wars comparison is pretty believable. The biggest difference between those movies is a memorable cast though. And do I need to mention the score...
jett said:
Yeah I loved the boldness in Aliens and True Lies's score. I can bring parts from both of them to my mind instantly. That's pretty rare for pure action movies.
Also one of my biggest problems was with Mr Generic Marine. I mean empty protagonists work sometimes, but I was used to Cameron having strong charismatic main characters in his movies. I wish Grace was the main character in Avatar :b
zoukka said:
Out of curiosity what makes Jake a generic marine and by the same token, how then isn't Grace a rather cliche/generic good guy scientist character? Also, what is your idea of a non generic lead marine/soldier?
I actually thought Jakes character was brilliantly realised. Fearless, brave, bold and careless all at the same time. Cheeky but not witty with constant one liners. Cocky but never arrogant, and accomplished in the things he does within the film, but still always humble and retaining a sense of humility. He never really lets any emotion get to the extreme and I liked that about his character. His qualities aren't as down your throat as with other leads in similar roles.
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Jibril said:
I think Dark Knight is better written, has better villians, & more intense. If I had it in graph form against Avatar it would probably win. However, Avatar beats it in the very abstract category of pure emotion. This causes it to win by a wide margin for overall prize.
They are both the complete packages though, which is mandatory to be in my top ten. Avatar pushed Star Wars out of it (It was on it's way out anyway).
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I think, on a qualitative spectrum, The Dark Knight is the better film. TDK is a great film. I personally feel as though there are more than a couple of things holding Avatar back from being considered a great film. That said, however, it's a very good and very captivating film (even more-so than The Dark Knight).Jibril said:
Yes.JGS said:
nib95 said:
Wow you throw out superlatives like candy. And yes, you can't make a normal jarhead that compelling, but still I had absolutely no feelings for the guy. I thought I'd seen this character on screen many times before. It might be intentional, but I had zero emotional connections with him. Neytiri falling for him was way too convenient.
And Grace was generic like all the Avatar cast, but well... she wouldn't have been a boring jarhead I guess
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