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D23 said:
worldwide gross as of today $301,308,992
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Not everywhere has reported yet. That's just WW total from Monday plus the US yesterday. It's likely around $330m WW; we should see the totals in a few hours.

Five days, over $300m, no sign of slowing down.

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If you guys are trying to track Avatar, look more at actual Holiday movies to get an idea of the percentage drops instead of summer movies. They are 2 completely different beasts (See: National Treasure 2 being in the Top 5 of All-Time Tuesdays)

It's tracking like Return of the King now in terms of percentage drops, but better. Soft sunday drop. Good Monday drop, and then a soft Tuesday drop. If it continues to be "ROTK but better", I guess my 2nd weekend increase prediction is dying but was really close :(
 
I've got a simple question and I figured you guys would be in the best position to answer it. I've seen polarized 3D on my television before using the same glasses we got during Avatar. When Avatar comes out in 3D on Bluray what will be the difference between watching it on my TV versus these new "3D TVs" that are hitting the market?
 
XiaNaphryz said:
And I'm saying the tech's not going to stay at just that level for long, and won't necessarily be exclusive to Cameron's development house which seems to be implied here.
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I didn't mean to imply no one had similar tech, just that Cameron said in an interview that he approached your studio and Weta saying he wanted to do motion cap by mounting a camera on the actors face. He claimed to have come up with the process, if your studio did, then I apologize. No offense was intended.

koam said:
I've got a simple question and I figured you guys would be in the best position to answer it. I've seen polarized 3D on my television before using the same glasses we got during Avatar. When Avatar comes out in 3D on Bluray what will be the difference between watching it on my TV versus these new "3D TVs" that are hitting the market?
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I'm under the impression there is one polarized monitor on sale at the moment from JVC. I have no idea what you've been watching, sounds very interesting. What was the video you saw?
 
Jibril said:
Man. I want avatar to rack in that money.
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Avatar making money is so great for so many reasons.

1) We get more Avatar
2) We get more James Cameron making whatever the fuck he wants
3) Other studios will look at the money Avatar is generating as a non-franchise, non-sequel, completely original film, and see that there is the potential for massive revenue in creating a new IP as opposed to solely working from one
4) The much-debated performance-capturing tech will have been proven exceptionally effective, both in terms of the actual visuals that result from it, and the ease and intuitiveness with which it makes directing a mix of CGI and live-action (though, obviously, not every director is James Cameron, and this point would also be proven if Avatar had made $0)
5) It will also prove, as a 2:40 hr long movie, that audiences are perfectly willing to wear 3D glasses for a movie that's worth it

Taken as a collective, Avatar will have advanced filmmaking, as was promised.

And also, greater recognition for awesome people like Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana.
 
Zeliard said:
Avatar making money is so great for so many reasons.

1) We get more Avatar
2) We get more James Cameron making whatever the fuck he wants
3) Other studios will look at the money Avatar is generating as a non-franchise, non-sequel, completely original film, and see that there is the potential for massive revenue in creating a new IP as opposed to solely working from one
4) The much-debated performance-capturing tech will have been proven exceptionally effective, both in terms of the actual visuals that result from it, and the ease and intuitiveness with which it makes directing a mix of CGI and live-action (though, obviously, not every director is James Cameron, and this point would also be proven if Avatar had made $0)
5) It will also prove, as a 2:40 hr long movie, that audiences are perfectly willing to wear 3D glasses for a movie that's worth it

Taken as a collective, Avatar will have advanced filmmaking, as was promised.

And also, greater recognition for awesome people like Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana.
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Agree so much. On every single point.
 
Zeliard said:
Avatar making money is so great for so many reasons.

1) We get more Avatar
2) We get more James Cameron making whatever the fuck he wants
3) Other studios will look at the money Avatar is generating as a non-franchise, non-sequel, completely original film, and see that there is the potential for massive revenue in creating a new IP as opposed to solely working from one
4) The much-debated performance-capturing tech will have been proven exceptionally effective, both in terms of the actual visuals that result from it, and the ease and intuitiveness with which it makes directing a mix of CGI and live-action (though, obviously, not every director is James Cameron, and this point would also be proven if Avatar had made $0)
5) It will also prove, as a 2:40 hr long movie, that audiences are perfectly willing to wear 3D glasses for a movie that's worth it

Taken as a collective, Avatar will have advanced filmmaking, as was promised.

And also, greater recognition for awesome people like Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana.
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Totally agree, great post.
 
Soon, James Cameron is going to hold worldwide #2 to his crown.

And as Zeliard pointed out, this is a good thing for the industry, and is (with luck) a good sign for its future.
Fuck Michael Bay
 
Zeliard said:
Avatar making money is so great for so many reasons.

1) We get more Avatar
2) We get more James Cameron making whatever the fuck he wants
3) Other studios will look at the money Avatar is generating as a non-franchise, non-sequel, completely original film, and see that there is the potential for massive revenue in creating a new IP as opposed to solely working from one
4) The much-debated performance-capturing tech will have been proven exceptionally effective, both in terms of the actual visuals that result from it, and the ease and intuitiveness with which it makes directing a mix of CGI and live-action (though, obviously, not every director is James Cameron, and this point would also be proven if Avatar had made $0)
5) It will also prove, as a 2:40 hr long movie, that audiences are perfectly willing to wear 3D glasses for a movie that's worth it

Taken as a collective, Avatar will have advanced filmmaking, as was promised.

And also, greater recognition for awesome people like Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana.
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Nail meet head. Well said! Especially point #1.
 
Zeliard said:
Avatar making money is so great for so many reasons.

1) We get more Avatar
2) We get more James Cameron making whatever the fuck he wants
3) Other studios will look at the money Avatar is generating as a non-franchise, non-sequel, completely original film, and see that there is the potential for massive revenue in creating a new IP as opposed to solely working from one
4) The much-debated performance-capturing tech will have been proven exceptionally effective, both in terms of the actual visuals that result from it, and the ease and intuitiveness with which it makes directing a mix of CGI and live-action (though, obviously, not every director is James Cameron, and this point would also be proven if Avatar had made $0)
5) It will also prove, as a 2:40 hr long movie, that audiences are perfectly willing to wear 3D glasses for a movie that's worth it

Taken as a collective, Avatar will have advanced filmmaking, as was promised.

And also, greater recognition for awesome people like Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana.
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6) Big-budget sci-fi doesn't have to be like Bayformers.
 
Zeliard said:
Avatar making money is so great for so many reasons.

1) We get more Avatar
2) We get more James Cameron making whatever the fuck he wants
3) Other studios will look at the money Avatar is generating as a non-franchise, non-sequel, completely original film, and see that there is the potential for massive revenue in creating a new IP as opposed to solely working from one
4) The much-debated performance-capturing tech will have been proven exceptionally effective, both in terms of the actual visuals that result from it, and the ease and intuitiveness with which it makes directing a mix of CGI and live-action (though, obviously, not every director is James Cameron, and this point would also be proven if Avatar had made $0)
5) It will also prove, as a 2:40 hr long movie, that audiences are perfectly willing to wear 3D glasses for a movie that's worth it

Taken as a collective, Avatar will have advanced filmmaking, as was promised.

And also, greater recognition for awesome people like Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana.
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Uhh...what?
 
It just keeps on giving! :D :D :D

Keeping in mind that (according to boxofficemojo) studios typically receive 40% of national revenue and 50% of worldwide... how long till it is fully paid? They were counting on getting close to breaking even and then blowing past it with dvd and blu-ray, but I'm thinking that ticket sales will be enough. :D
 
Aquaman did better. 116 mio opening day or something, even with rolling blackouts.

But 300 mio ww is great, it is great to see it succesful for all those reason in the list above.

Plus I think it opens 3D to the masses
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Well it may changes Micheal's outlook on how he does a film. You know we may get a smart Bayformers 3....
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I remember when the school administration put the special-ed kids in a couple of 'normal' classes in an attempt to 'mainstream' them. While much fun and learning occurred, the kids were still retarded.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Well it may changes Micheal's outlook on how he does a film. You know we may get a smart Bayformers 3....
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People like Bay or Bruckheimer will take the wrong message from Avatar's success.
More likely that we get a green-screened mo-cap Bayformers 3.
 
Count Dookkake said:
6) Big-budget sci-fi doesn't have to be like Bayformers.
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Yes.

The fabulous alien universe in the film for me was one where action scenes are directed by a man with an understanding of spatial relations within a frame.
 
Count Dookkake said:
I remember when the school administration put the special-ed kids in a couple of 'normal' classes in an attempt to 'mainstream' them. While much fun and learning occurred, the kids were still retarded.
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Well said. :lol
 
GhaleonEB said:
Not if Bay directs it....
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Why not? Bay is a very talented directed. He certainly likes to blow things up, but I think it is a huge disservice to claim that Bay doesn't care about characters or a good script. He's just not a script driven sort of director. If he directs a movie with a great script, it's not like he throws out all the good stuff and goes "LOL LET'S BLOW SHIT UP", and The Rock is a great example of how he can direct a great action movie. The weaknesses of the story and characters in his films are due to him having less experience and talent in being able to take charge and create/supervise a solid scenario for the movie, and unfortunately working with subpar scriptwriters who literally take him for a ride.

Edit: Fuck, the Bay-haters are all out to play now. I should have known.
 
Krev said:
People like Bay or Bruckheimer will take the wrong message from Avatar's success.
More likely that we get a green-screened mo-cap Bayformers 3.
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This is the important thing in all of this. The techn is only as good as the hands its in.
 
Watched it in 3d last night.

One of the most cliched, tacky and ridiculous movies I've seen. I should have expected it after Cameron's otherovies but I was sucked in to the hype and thought it would actually be good.

Lines such as "you will cement the bond with your first ride" were laughable, as was the dialogue between sully and the chick when he was
telling her he loved her
.

Other than that, the cg and special effects were mind blowingly awesome and the 3d worked well. I like how it didn't feel like they were trying to show off 3d by bombarding you with objects coming at you. It was just integrated really well.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Uhh...what?
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I'm talking in terms of intellectual properties. Avatar is a brand new IP generated from the head of James Cameron. The storyline isn't original, but that's not what I was saying. Avatar isn't based on an existing IP like the vast majority of big-budget movies are these days (frequently being based on existing novels, short stories, comic books, TV shows, etc).

It was a huge risk by both Fox and Cameron, and it has clearly paid off handsomely.
 
duckroll said:
Why not? Bay is a very talented directed. He certainly likes to blow things up, but I think it is a huge disservice to claim that Bay doesn't care about characters or a good script. He's just not a script driven sort of director. If he directs a movie with a great script, it's not like he throws out all the good stuff and goes "LOL LET'S BLOW SHIT UP", and The Rock is a great example of how he can direct a great action movie. The weaknesses of the story and characters in his films are due to him having less experience and talent in being able to take charge and create/supervise a solid scenario for the movie, and unfortunately working with subpar scriptwriters who literally take him for a ride.

Edit: Fuck, the Bay-haters are all out to play now. I should have known.
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I'm not even sure what you're arguing. Bay makes big, dumb action movies. I really like some of his movies - The Rock is fucking awesome - but I was responding to a post that included the phrase, "You know we may get a smart Bayformers 3...."

Now, I haven't seen all of Bay's movies. But even among the ones I've seen and liked, I would not decribe ANY of them as being "smart". They're big, dumb, loud fun.

If he'd said "we may get a good Bayformers 3...." I'd have stayed quiet.

(And to be fair, I haven't seen either Transformers.)

Shorter Ghaleon: I was objecting that a Bay movie could be smart, not good.
 
stuburns said:
I didn't mean to imply no one had similar tech, just that Cameron said in an interview that he approached your studio and Weta saying he wanted to do motion cap by mounting a camera on the actors face. He claimed to have come up with the process, if your studio did, then I apologize. No offense was intended.


I'm under the impression there is one polarized monitor on sale at the moment from JVC. I have no idea what you've been watching, sounds very interesting. What was the video you saw?
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Those superbowl ads

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Avatar Avatar!

So now it's mcbain, with mario, and snake, and joke and avatar!
 
GhaleonEB said:
I'm not even sure what you're arguing. Bay makes big, dumb action movies. I really like some of his movies - The Rock and Con Air are fucking awesome
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Simon West, not Bay.
 
Dizzan said:
Watched it in 3d last night.

One of the most cliched, tacky and ridiculous movies I've seen. I should have expected it after Cameron's otherovies but I was sucked in to the hype and thought it would actually be good.

Lines such as "you will cement the bond with your first ride" were laughable, as was the dialogue between sully and the chick when he was
telling her he loved her
.
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I see you.
 
duckroll said:
Yeah, I really felt Star Trek had more in common with Mass Effect than the previous Star Trek films. :)
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Yep.

The suits, the designs, even the lens flares.

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I can't count the times I've said that JJ Abrams must like playing Mass Effect. :lol
 
Sure, I'll agree that Bay's movies are big dumb fun, but in the context of this entire discussion... isn't Avatar? I mean it's honestly a really cliched, generic story, most of us agree with that, and it's presented in a really well told way with awesome action and set pieces, while the emotional elements are all telegraphed from a mile away but some of us fall for it anyway because of how well it's directed. There's nothing really "smart" about Avatar in the larger scheme of things.
 
duckroll said:
Sure, I'll agree that Bay's movies are big dumb fun, but in the context of this entire discussion... isn't Avatar? I mean it's honestly a really cliched, generic story, most of us agree with that, and it's presented in a really well told way with awesome action and set pieces, while the emotional elements are all telegraphed from a mile away but some of us fall for it anyway because of how well it's directed. There's nothing really "smart" about Avatar in the larger scheme of things.
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Simple != dumb or poorly told.
 
duckroll said:
Why not? Bay is a very talented directed. He certainly likes to blow things up, but I think it is a huge disservice to claim that Bay doesn't care about characters or a good script. He's just not a script driven sort of director. If he directs a movie with a great script, it's not like he throws out all the good stuff and goes "LOL LET'S BLOW SHIT UP", and The Rock is a great example of how he can direct a great action movie. The weaknesses of the story and characters in his films are due to him having less experience and talent in being able to take charge and create/supervise a solid scenario for the movie, and unfortunately working with subpar scriptwriters who literally take him for a ride.

Edit: Fuck, the Bay-haters are all out to play now. I should have known.
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Just an FYI to some who do not know, duckroll liked TF2.
Yes, he did

A poor script is no excuse for a director. Bay is actively choosing/writing scripts, thats his standards. Then there are others like Nolans, Camerons and the like.
 
Just IMDB'd Bay, he has never made a good film, I'd say Cameron has never made a bad one, although True Lies doesn't do much for me.
 
I thought TF2 was written by the same guys that wrote Star Trek?
 
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