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[Chichikov]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/05/technology/3d_tv/index.htm

WOW doesn't that camera look similar to the one James Cameron used?

No disassemble 3D camera!

Fake edit: gah, beaten.

 

[Sharp]

FWIW, I don't recall forecasting Monday that specifically, but if I did it was really, realy stupid.

My predictions from a week ago or so for weekly drops was just that - weekly drops, based on the first (and then second) seven day performance (Fri-Thurs).

To test how that holds up, take Monday's performance and project. Yesterday was 50% off the previous Monday. So cut last week's Monday-Thursday figure in half (adjusting for the holiday last Thursday). Now put the weekend take down, say, 15%. That's a 33% drop for the week overall.

That's the kind of scenario I was trying to describe, which is what Avatar is tracking to with Monday's number.

Looks like with Monday's take it jumped Jurassic Park domestically. Next stop, Jesus.

Really? So you're predicting a $57.8 million weekend? Keep in mind that the last two weekends have included holidays (Christmas and New Year's Day) and the next holiday weekend isn't until MLK Day weekend. Obviously it's not completely out of the question, since after its Monday drop Avatar really isn't tracking like any other movie, but it seems a bit overoptimistic to me.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Really? So you're predicting a $57.8 million weekend? Keep in mind that the last two weekends have included holidays (Christmas and New Year's Day) and the next holiday weekend isn't until MLK Day weekend. Obviously it's not completely out of the question, since after its Monday drop Avatar really isn't tracking like any other movie, but it seems a bit overoptimistic to me.

To be clear it was an illustration of what would need to happen for it to hit my earlier prediction; I think it has a shot that kind of weekend. It may also be a touch aggressive, but I'd be surprised if it dropped more than 20-25% the way it's tracking.

 

[Rentahamster]

I don't think so. I had a cast on for months, when it finally came off I literally ran around the block. Not being able to move is a terrible thing.

Jake is supposed to be a professional and a marine. He's there for a job. I found that scene to be a bit off, too.

I'm not sure what it speaks of about the man who just gets new legs and is about to jeopardize them immediately by not listening to shouts of "we need to do some tests first", and "stop you might hurt yourself".

I think I would have preferred a more subtle approach to that scene.

 

[Vic]

$8M? Very nice!.

Not enough!

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Not sure why a cultural shout-out is offensive.

Regardless, I was more talking about how Cameron made the biggest-budgeted movie about interspecies romance and hid it under CG. Pretty neat trick, IMO.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[Kibbles]

Nobody clapped at the end... yet there were people applauding after Spider-Man 3? What teh fuckz.

 

[Rentahamster]

there were people applauding after Spider-Man 3? What teh fuckz.

I refuse to believe this :lol

 

[JGS]

Jake is supposed to be a professional and a marine. He's there for a job. I found that scene to be a bit off, too.

I'm not sure what it speaks of about the man who just gets new legs and is about to jeopardize them immediately by not listening to shouts of "we need to do some tests first", and "stop you might hurt yourself".

I think I would have preferred a more subtle approach to that scene.

I'm not sure what gave the impression he was a professional. He was being insulted by Grace as soon as she saw him!

Jake does not appear to be a subtle kind of guy. The earlier scenes also showed he does not take orders too well and that he likes doing things for himself. Being a Marine means by default you might hurt yourself due to the job. He's a risk taker.

It made perfect sense to me. He knows his body better than the test takers who may have been looking at it from an investment/liability standpoint.

 

[WickedAngel]

I refuse to believe this :lol

I don't know...I was really happy that it was over.

 

[Alucard]

I get why Jake ran when he first got his legs, but put me in the category of people who thought he was a moron in that scene. Dude wrecked a bunch of expensive equipment, and he really couldn't sit and show some respect to the people who just allowed him to walk again? Moron.

Anyway, awesome experience and I will definitely be seeing it again. F Titanic.

 

[WickedAngel]

He had just went from being a paraplegic to being a Na'vi. The transition would overwhelm most people under normal conditions (Given that the Na'vi have athletic abilities far superior to our own).

The last thing I would want to do after making that transition was play the role of guinea pig to some lab technician.

 

[Kuro Madoushi]

I can't believe this...

It's been out for...3 weeks or more now? I couldn't get into a 3:20 or 7:00 IMAX 3D show. Definitely reaching (if it hasn't surpassed) Dark Knight levels.

 

[gwiz210]

please for the love of god na'vi this picture

 

[DarkMehm]

Domestic: $360,209,452 33.9%
+ Foreign: $702,942,307 66.1%

= Worldwide: $1,063,151,759

 

[GhaleonEB]

Domestic: $360,209,452 33.9%
+ Foreign: $702,942,307 66.1%

= Worldwide: $1,063,151,759

That makes for $29.7m yesterday internationally, $37.8m including the US. Absurd numbers for any Monday, much less #3.

 

[Dead]

Movie is going to make $1 billion internationally alone. Absolutely unbelievable, and most importantly is the fact that there are way more 2D than 3D theaters internationally...

 

[Rentahamster]

I'm not sure what gave the impression he was a professional.

He's a professional soldier being paid a lot of money to do a very important job critical for the survival of the human race.

He was being insulted by Grace as soon as she saw him!

Because she's a smarty pants scientist and Jake's a dumb jarhead. Or something.

Jake does not appear to be a subtle kind of guy. The earlier scenes also showed he does not take orders too well and that he likes doing things for himself.

He does things for himself (like the scene where he refuses Grace's help to get into the avatar pod) to show how he's overcome his disability and refuses to let it keep him down. I'm not sure what earlier scenes your are referring to that show Jake does not take orders too well.

Being a Marine means by default you might hurt yourself due to the job. He's a risk taker.

Yeah, you might hurt yourself in combat, risking your life in order to complete an objective. This doesn't mean you go joyriding in a completely foreign body at great risk to yourself, others, and a lot of expensive equipment.

It made perfect sense to me. He knows his body better than the test takers who may have been looking at it from an investment/liability standpoint.

He doesn't know his body at all. It's a completely new body from a different species. Of course the test takers are looking at it from an investment/liability standpoint. They also don't want Jake to hurt his new bajillion dollar irreplaceable Na'vi body or the other scientists around him.

Jake sure would have been sore if he immediately got up, ate shit, injured himself, and harmed another worker. But that would make for a stupid and unnecessary plot advancement.

Look, I know that the scene is supposed to show Jake overcome with joy at the sensation of his new legs and running around going "whee!" against all common sense. The delivery is just kinda odd, and I don't think it reflects positively on his character.

He had just went from being a paraplegic to being a Na'vi. The transition would overwhelm most people under normal conditions (Given that the Na'vi have athletic abilities far superior to our own).

The last thing I would want to do after making that transition was play the role of guinea pig to some lab technician.

Yeah, but that's his job. That's what he's paid lots of money to do on this incredibly important mission. Totally unprofessional.

 

[Dead]

I dont think the mission as something that is vital to the human race at all.

It will provide advances in tech and what not, but it is a pretty much for the profit project.

 

[demosthenes]

Overrun with emotion, I'm sure it never happens to nobody. Seeing as how he just got to walk for the first time in ## years, I think it's something that should be forgiven, and actually predicted by the scientists.

As I said in my previous post, living with someone that is paralyzed makes you appreciate the scene much more.

 

[demosthenes]

I dont think the mission as something that is vital to the human race at all.

It will provide advances in tech and what not, but it is a pretty much for the profit project.

Yea, they wouldn't have been talking about money so much if the human race depended so much on this ore.

 

[Vic]

3. Dead Man's Chest $1,066,179,725
4. Avatar $1,063,151,759

Fuck, THIS close for my prediction to be right...

 

[Rentahamster]

I dont think the mission as something that is vital to the human race at all.

It will provide advances in tech and what not, but it is a pretty much for the profit project.

Oh, it's pretty vital.

 

[StoOgE]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/05/technology/3d_tv/index.htm

WOW doesn't that camera look similar to the one James Cameron used?

 

[GhaleonEB]

Yea, they wouldn't have been talking about money so much if the human race depended so much on this ore.

Yeah, I think since it's a corporation and not a nation/nations doing the mining, I think that's likely. I got the impression it was basically a giant energy company, ala Exon-Mobile, and they were the only ones with enough money to go out there and set up the operations. Basically (really, really) offshore drilling.

 

[∀ Narayan]

Jake wiggling his feet followed by shots of him stepping on the ground. It was all very well done. I think this scene actually means a whole lot more the more times you've seen the movie. I know I got something different out of it every time.

I especially like the scene when Jake starts running through the garden. The music kicks in - and you get this wonderful feeling in your gut. He's free.

Makes me tear up a bit.

 

[FirewalkR]

The international box-office numbers are incredible. This update was just for Monday right? It was way above the previous int/us ratio of slightly less than 2.

 

[Sanjuro]

http://pocahontas-dances-with-avatars.ytmnd.com/

 

[LeMaximilian]

The international box-office numbers are incredible. This update was just for Monday right? It was way above the previous int/us ratio of slightly less than 2.

What were the international Monday numbers?

 

[Rentahamster]

Yeah, I think since it's a corporation and not a nation/nations doing the mining, I think that's likely. I got the impression it was basically a giant energy company, ala Exon-Mobile, and they were the only ones with enough money to go out there and set up the operations. Basically (really, really) offshore drilling.

Only the great need for unobtanium and the energy which it allows human civilization to produce could justify the cost of creating these vessels. In fact, the unobtanium itself enabled the creation of this class of ISV’s. It is used in the superconducting magnet arrays which contain and direct the energy of the matter-antimatter annihilation which propels the ship. Without unobtanium, interstellar commerce on this scale would not be possible. Unobtanium is not only the key to Earth’s energy needs in the 22nd century, but it is the enabler of interstellar travel and the establishment of a truly spacefaring civilization.

There's no national representation because as far as I can tell, no nation invested the proper resources or research into interstellar space travel. That's why the RDA has to work under authorization from the ICA.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

According to the Pandorapdia, unobtainium is the substance around the which the economy of future-Earth is built. It's pretty fucking important.

 

[jett]

According to the Pandorapdia, unobtainium is the substance around the which the economy of future-Earth is built. It's pretty fucking important.

It's more like the substance around which RDA's economy is built on.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I especially like the scene when Jake starts running through the garden. The music kicks in - and you get this wonderful feeling in your gut. He's free.

Makes me tear up a bit.

It's also good for demonstrating how natually Jake fit into his Avatar body. While he's warming up for a sprint, you can see Norm staggering around like a drunken sailor in the background, trying to catch up. It's a great scene on every level.

The international box-office numbers are incredible. This update was just for Monday right? It was way above the previous int/us ratio of slightly less than 2.

Yup, just Monday. The weekend was revised up $7m yesterday.

It opened China on Monday to a $5m debut (setting a new record there), so that's boosting the total a bit. I'm wondering also if the school schedule that chopped the US earnings are at play overseas; I have no idea but I'm guessing from how much Avatar made it's not as much of a factor.

There's no national representation because as far as I can tell, no nation invested the proper resources or research into interstellar space travel. That's why the RDA has to work under authorization from the ICA.

I haven't read that stuff, so I was just describing how it was portrayed in the movie. Though the survival guide (and soundtrack, OMG) just arrived, so hopefully that goes into it.

 

[jett]

I remember that the overseas total numbers during the weekend were estimated at 666 million, actuals climbed up to 702 today.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I remember that the overseas total numbers during the weekend were estimated at 666 million, actuals climbed up to 702 today.

Yesterday around mid-day they revised the overseas figure up to $673.

 

[LeMaximilian]

I remember that the overseas total numbers during the weekend were estimated at 666 million, actuals climbed up to 702 today.

Ah, so that's why that figure recently changed. Makes sense now, thx doods!

 

[Dead]

Reposting the description of the Deleted Earth scenes from several pages back

The Earth scenes that got cut out were still super brief and really only reinforced classism and horrible environmental conditions, that everyone had basically accepted, to the point where breathing masks had become fashion items, etc. more Blade Runner than anything else. The planet is just screwed and no one was really inclined to change it, least of all the rich people on top of everything, which is who the corp was really there for.

Explains why Jake would be jaded as to whether or not RDA was really working for the "benefit of mankind"

Just another reason the earth scenes shouldnt have been cut I guess.

 

[Raistlin]

Brace yourself! 3-D entertainment is coming to a television set near you.

Both ESPN and Discovery Communications announced Tuesday that they will launch 3-D TV networks. ESPN will start airing its 3-D sports network in June, while Discovery Communications did not specify when it would begin airing 3-D content.


3-D entertainment has been gaining in popularity, most notably with the release of the 3-D film "Avatar," showing in theaters now.

ESPN's new network, to be named ESPN 3D, will air at least 85 live sporting events in its first year. The first 3-D event will be the FIFA World Cup between South Africa and Mexico on June 11.

"ESPN's commitment to 3-D is a win for fans and our business partners," the sports network said in a statement. "ESPN 3D marries great content with new technology to enhance the fan's viewing experience and puts ESPN at the forefront of the next big advance for TV viewing."

The sports network said it has had "productive discussions" with cable and satellite affiliates, and it believes many will sign on.

Demand for more realistic sports programming was one of the main motivators for affiliates to offer high definition broadcasting and for consumers to buy HD TV sets. Likewise, ESPN believes that there is the same type of strong demand for 3-D sports entertainment.

To view the 3-D channels, customers will have to buy a special 3D-HDTV set, which are currently available from most manufacturers. Discovery said it hopes that its network drives consumer adoption of 3-D televisions.

Although ESPN 3D will only air during specific live events, Discovery's new channel will be the nation's first 24/7 3-D network.

Discovery Communications, which owns the Discovery Channel and TLC among other cable channels, partnered with Sony and IMAX to develop the new 3-D station.

"By partnering with Sony and IMAX on 3-D, Discovery will lead the way in revolutionizing the next-generation home viewing experience in the U.S. and around the world," said Discovery Communications CEO David Zaslav in a statement.

The 3-D Discovery network will show natural history, space, science and technology programming as well as movies. Discovery will provide the content, Sony will advertise and license 3-D films, and IMAX will license movies and the technology for the venture

I'm interested ... and confused by this news.

Are there any sources that explain the details of the tech involved in this? If it's to utilize the upcoming 3-D TV's, I'm confused how the broadcasting will work?

 

[Combine]

Yeah, the Earth scenes would have gone a long way to making Jake's little Ewya prayer at the end have a bit more meaning and not a little bit sanctimonious.

 

[jett]

I'm interested ... and confused by this news.

Are there any sources that explain the details of the tech involved in this? If it's to utilize the upcoming 3-D TV's, I'm confused how the broadcasting will work?

I dunno about the 3D broadcasting standard(i'm not sure if there is any), but the blu-ray standard is meant to work with any type of TV, and every type of 3D system. 3D displays come with glasses, so I assume you'll need 3d glasses of some sort for this.

 

[Raistlin]

I dunno about the 3D broadcasting standard(i'm not sure if there is any), but the blu-ray standard is meant to work with any type of TV, and every type of 3D system. 3D displays come with glasses, so I assume you'll need 3d glasses of some sort for this.

By any TV, you mean any type of 3-D TV, that happens to be using the new standards


To my knowledge, it requires 120Hz. I don't think ATSC supports that, and neither does sat/cable.



That's where the confusion comes from

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

I'm interested ... and confused by this news.

Are there any sources that explain the details of the tech involved in this? If it's to utilize the upcoming 3-D TV's, I'm confused how the broadcasting will work?

I don't know. But I remember about 10 years ago; Canal 5 of Mexico would broadcast certain scenes in Beast Wars in 3D. You got cheap glassess from a store and you'd be able to watch it. From what I remember it actually worked really well and there was no color distortion. Does anyone know or remember what I'm talking about?

 

[Rentahamster]

By any TV, you mean any type of 3-D TV, that happens to be using the new standards


To my knowledge, it requires 120Hz. I don't think ATSC supports that, and neither does sat/cable.



That's where the confusion comes from

You can do 3D with 60fps, but the ghosting is more apparent, and it doesn't look all that great.

 

[Raistlin]

You can do 3D with 60fps, but the ghosting is more apparent, and it doesn't look all that great.

It's not an issue of ghosting.

Nearly all TV's being released next year are shutter-based. 60fps using alternating eyes is nearly unusable for an sort of extended period of time. The flicker is visibly noticeable, and cause major eye-strain if not headaches.

 

[AniHawk]

So what are we looking at be the end of the 4th weekend? $1.4B?

 

[Rentahamster]

It's not an issue of ghosting.

Nearly all TV's being released next year are shutter-based. 60fps using alternating eyes is nearly unusable for an sort of extended period of time. The flicker is visibly noticeable, and cause major eye-strain if not headaches.

The ghosting is a problem when trying to hack 3D games to work with 60hz monitors. The flicker, eye strain, and headaches goes without saying.

But yeah, it sucks.

 

[JGS]

He's a professional soldier being paid a lot of money to do a very important job critical for the survival of the human race.

He wasn't hired to be a soldier, but a replacement for his brother. In any event, him being a soldier does not mean he would listen to scientists preventing him from enjoying a run for the first time in a while.

He does things for himself (like the scene where he refuses Grace's help to get into the avatar pod) to show how he's overcome his disability and refuses to let it keep him down. I'm not sure what earlier scenes your are referring to that show Jake does not take orders too well.

He does things for himself when he knows he can walk and run. He also knows that he's fine enough to not need tests. I wasn't meaning to say he is disobedient, just that he is his own man and he does what he wants. The whole movie is about that.

Grace insulting him is at first meant to convey she's a jerk and she does not view him as a "professional" anything, but also to contrast with her respect for him a few minutes later after his "reckless" jog. She likes his initiative.

Yeah, you might hurt yourself in combat, risking your life in order to complete an objective. This doesn't mean you go joyriding in a completely foreign body at great risk to yourself, others, and a lot of expensive equipment.

Sure you do if you are familiar with the body and haven't walked in a while.

He doesn't know his body at all. It's a completely new body from a different species. Of course the test takers are looking at it from an investment/liability standpoint. They also don't want Jake to hurt his new bajillion dollar irreplaceable Na'vi body or the other scientists around him.

This is my point. Jake doesn't care what the scientist think. He risked his life in the bajillion dollarand the crews the first day out on Pandora. He did this despite being ignorant of his surroundings.

Look, I know that the scene is supposed to show Jake overcome with joy at the sensation of his new legs and running around going "whee!" against all common sense. The delivery is just kinda odd, and I don't think it reflects positively on his character.

The scene sets up getting used to his new body. It's not like he wakes up, jumps off the bed and starts bolting for the door. He adjusts to the body and then takes care of himself. If I remeber correctly, his fellow Na'vi buddy follows shortly after without the tests too.

Yeah, but that's his job. That's what he's paid lots of money to do on this incredibly important mission. Totally unprofessional.

He doesn't know what he's getting paid to do because he is not his brother. His sole reason for being there is to not ruin the investment and have on the job training, not to act like a professional scientist which would not be expected of a Marine.

 

[Chaplain]

About the 3D HDTV's:

http://dvice.com/archives/2009/12/no-new-blu-ray.php

Hold everything — HDMI 1.3 gear will work with 3D

However, as with all things, there's a catch. Keep reading to see what you'll be giving up.

Unfortunately, you'll still need a new HDMI 1.4-enabled 3D HDTV to see the 3D effect. It's necessary because those HDTVs have dual-scanning capabilities: They can display near-simultaneous frames, one for each eye, to create the 3D illusion. Current HDTVs are only single-scan.

And you won't get full 1080p 3D via an upgraded HDMI 1.3 box, either — just half or quarter resolution, depending on the source. HDMI 1.3 isn't powerful enough to stream near-simultaneous 1080p frames. From a full 1080p source such as Blu-ray or a satellite receiver, you'll instead get dual 1080i images to create 3D; from a cable box, you'll get dual 540i images. I've been told the difference between full 1080p 3D and 540i 3D is essentially the difference between Blu-ray and DVD, which for most people is not that big of a difference. I still think you'll want at least a 65-inch 3D HDTV, though, to really get an immersive 3D experience.

EDIT:

Further explanation from someone on the highdef digest forums:

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/98083-hdmi-1-3-will-support-3d-after-all.html

The HDMI 1.4 spec concentrates on three formats for 3D: 720p50, 720p60 and 1080p24, for european and american video material, and movies, respectively. The 3D versions of these formats can be fully supported by any HDMI 1.3 cable that supports 1080p60. There might be limitations in some HDMI 1.3 chipsets and media processors that exclude one or more formats, but the bandwidth of HDMI 1.3 is capable of supporting them all.

Supporting 1080p60 as a 3D format is a different story. This requires a pixel clock of almost 300 MHz, while most HDMI 1.3 (and almost all early HDMI 1.4) chips top out at about 220 MHz. So, don't expect to see too many 3D devices that support 1080p60, most will only support 1080p24.

Now, there is no "540i" format. There are 3D formats that interleave half the lines from each, the left and right image into one normal sized frame, effectively leaving 540 lines from the 1080 lines of each image. This kind of "line alternative" 3D format is supported by some 3D LCD TVs already, in particule those that have been retrofitted with special filter sheets (e.g. RealD makes those). This kind of line-interlaved format could be already encoded on the disc, since it used the standard timings, but it would not be compatible with 2D playback. This is not an ideal solution, since it jettisons half the resolution from the get-go.

A FoxNews article:

January 04, 2010
New HDTVs May Soon Be Obsolete? Thanks a Lot, 3D

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010...ision-goes-dimensional%2F%3Ftest%3Dlatestnews

A 3D HDTV must display images at a rate of at least 240 Hz, for example. Some current sets can already do that, but they lack the circuitry to combine the separate video streams that are used to trick our eyes into seeing a three-dimensional picture.

 

[Gallbaro]

No point in buying any electronic device anymore, you will be outmoded within 6 years time anyway.

Before HDTV, it use to be you owned a TV for a decade+.

 

[AniHawk]

No point in buying any electronic device anymore, you will be outmoded within 6 years time anyway.

Before HDTV, it use to be you owned a TV for a decade+.

My grandparents still have a TV from the 1970s or 1960s. It was their first or second color TV. I can't believe it's still there.