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Johnny Utah said:
Am i the only one who loved Beowulf? Saw that in 3D and it's what sold me on it.

I didn't consider Avatar Use of 3D any better.

I loved Beowulf too. I actually didn't realize it was animation until 3 minutes in. I thought it look fine over all, only the hair and clothing look fake.

I remember the score being very good too.

But Avatar obviously look much better. The trees look completely real to me.
 
Somnia said:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/2010-golden-globes-james-cameron-on-avatars-shocking-win-and-billion-dollar-box-office_video_1194268

Just saw this reading an article. Pretty casual interview with Cameron, Sam, Zoe, a non-talking Weaver and Landau. Right after the Golden Globes. Nothing more than we've seen before, but they do mention sequels a bit.

Really shows what Cameron mentioned on how well the cast gets along. You can just see that they really were all pretty close by the end.

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THERE BE SPOILAHS!!!
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=atMQxdF2u6WM

Bloomberg article on Avatar from the business perspective, including all the different investors, how much of Cameron's money he put into it, what it took to get Fox on board, etc. Lots of stuff I hadn't read before, including how Fox brought in an outside venture capital company to pick up half the $237m production budget.

I thought this was amusing:

In October 2006, Fox agreed to make “Avatar.” Cameron says he recalls studio executives saying, “We don’t get the giant blue guys with the tails, but we believe in you and want to do this movie with you.” Months earlier, Cameron had put a traffic light outside Landau’s office. After Fox said yes, they switched it from amber to green.
 
GhaleonEB said:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=atMQxdF2u6WM

Bloomberg article on Avatar from the business perspective, including all the different investors, how much of Cameron's money he put into it, what it took to get Fox on board, etc. Lots of stuff I hadn't read before, including how Fox brought in an outside venture capital company to pick up half the $237m production budget.

I thought this was amusing:

Awesome find man...really liked that article. Cameron and co. are going to make a killing on all of the equipment they will be leasing out,etc. for films being done in 3D. Like it says it's just a matter of time till it's pure profit for them.

Sebulon3k said:
Holy shit watched this for the first time, MY GOD. Can't wait to go back for IMAX, tickets available in 2 weeks :lol

I plan on seeing it in IMAX for my first time (first IMAX experience on top of that) Feb. 1st. Can't wait! :D
 
Somnia said:
I plan on seeing it in IMAX for my first time (first IMAX experience on top of that) Feb. 1st. Can't wait! :D

There were signs all over the movie theater not to ask for Avatar IMAX tickets until February 15 assuming the tickets don't continue to sell out.

I Am Cry
 
tino said:
I loved Beowulf too. I actually didn't realize it was animation until 3 minutes in. I thought it look fine over all, only the hair and clothing look fake.

I remember the score being very good too.

But Avatar obviously look much better. The trees look completely real to me.
The 3D effect for the CG scenes were about the same imo. I'm not saying the CG wasn't better in Avatar, but that the 3D from what I remember was about the same. What was really noticeable to me however, were the live action scenes. The 3D effect was much more pronounced in the live action scenes than in the CG ones.
 
Mentioned it in the Eli thread, but at my theater, it seems that Avatar's popularity is finally starting to wane. Our 3D houses were only around half full. Eli might just beat Avatar for this week. Though, I can't account for the bump the Imax theaters will give it.
 
Scarecrow said:
Mentioned it in the Eli thread, but at my theater, it seems that Avatar's popularity is finally starting to wane. Our 3D houses were only around half full. Eli might just beat Avatar for this week. Though, I can't account for the bump the Imax theaters will give it.

You really think Avatar earnings will drop more the the Book of Eli earnings? I though we had learned not to doubt Avatar by now! :D
 
maharg said:
The thing that bothers me about Zameckis' films isn't so much the uncanny valley issues but his tendency to use only one or two voice actors for entire films. I have no interest in hearing Tom Hanks do lame voices for 2 hours.

He had a lot of variety in Beowulf and the acting was very good, especially Grendel.

I liked Beowulf a lot but the eyes knocked it down a few pegs (Especially John Malchovich's character). If it had come out a little earlier, I wouldn't have thought much about it, but then Gollum had already arrived and I knew what could be done.

Again, Beowulf was great except for the eyes. The music and the look were top notch.

I do wish Zemeckis would return to the real world one day as those are his best productions.
 
Trickster said:
You really think Avatar earnings will drop more the the Book of Eli earnings? I though we had learned not to doubt Avatar by now! :D
I'm just reporting what I saw. Our Eli showings were consistently full while Avatar was only partially full. Saturday could well be different.

I'm pleased when any movie I like is accompanied by a full theater. It warms the cockles of my heart ;)
 
Scarecrow said:
I'm just reporting what I saw. Our Eli showings were consistently full while Avatar was only partially full. Saturday could well be different.

I'm pleased when any movie I like is accompanied by a full theater. It warms the cockles of my heart ;)

...and yet Avatar made 3.95 Million while Eli (which is 5 weeks newer) made 2.01 Million yesterday......


just saying it might just be your theatre.
 
Sriffat said:
...and yet Avatar made 3.95 Million while Eli (which is 5 weeks newer) made 2.01 Million yesterday......

just saying it might just be your theatre.
Yeah. Avatar is going to more than double Eli this weekend.
 
Avatar has had (relatively) weak Fridays for weeks now. It's Saturday and Sunday numbers, on the other hand, are consistently very strong.
 
I never got the chance to check this movie out yet but I'm definently interested. At first I wasn't sure about the premise and the trailers didn't interest me in the beginning. But I guess I just got interested later on when the reviews came in. Plan on seeing it sometime this week or next, and it's good to see that it's still doing well in the ratings. Can't wait.
 
I can't even imagine just how smug James Cameron is feeling right now. He was doubted for the second time in a row and absolutely defied expectations once-more. Like seriously I was so hyped for this film yet towards the end of the marketing campaign I started to think it would probably not do very well and Sherlock Holmes would destroy it :lol

Still going strong.
 
I liked this small article.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/1ead44d2-06e0-11df-b058-00144feabdc0.html
Simply out of this world
By Peter Aspden

Published: January 22 2010 23:16 | Last updated: January 22 2010 23:16

Like many outstanding works of popular culture, Avatar, James Cameron’s 3D science fiction epic that threatens to become the highest-grossing movie of all time, is not a profound work. To deride it for its lack of subtlety or the deficiencies of its script is spectacularly to miss its point: like criticising the lyrics of “I Want to Hold Your Hand”, or complaining that you can’t dance to the late piano sonatas of Beethoven. There are certain works of art that magnificently achieve all that they set out to do; and others, rarer still, that radically change the direction of their very art form. Avatar does both.

That it has set new standards for movie-making is surely beyond doubt, and in some ways the least interesting thing about it. The effects realised by Cameron and his team in recreating an Edenic planet, Pandora, and its Na’vi inhabitants, who come under threat from earthly hooligans, are among the most beautifully rendered in film history. The 3D is a technical tour de force. What a privilege: we are living in a time that is literally adding an extra dimension to an art form. The journey from the flat, silvery sheen of Hollywood’s great monochrome movies of the 1940s to the multi-layered pyrotechnics of Avatar is like the tentative voyage made by the great painters of the Renaissance. Of course Giotto was a master; but Caravaggio was something else again.

But back to its lack of profoundness. This is, contrary to negative notices, far from a flaw. If those early Beatles singles of the 1960s, the true flowering of mass culture, taught us anything, it was that art could address simple themes with great simplicity, and still be artful. It was the role of the great Beethoven sonatas to remind us that life was a rich and infernally complex business; it took “I Want to Hold Your Hand” to remind us that its giddiest joys were rooted in the most basic pleasures. Popular culture took off from this premise, and achieved mighty things over the succeeding half-century.

Avatar is in this tradition. It, too, addresses a simple theme – the destruction of a planet through greed – that has contemporary resonance. It places a love story at the heart of its message. It fulminates against avarice and spite, and favours the slow, painful business of open communication in good faith with alien cultures. It is breathtaking in its political correctitude: its male lead is in a wheelchair; its three strongest characters – the sage, the warrior and the boffin – are all women. My nine-year-old daughter came out of the cinema glowing with pride in her gender. If we had been to see the science fiction sensation of 1977, she would have wanted to be a winsome princess with a flowing white dress. That is what is known as progress.

. . .

It all seems reasonable enough; yet Avatar is attacked from a multitude of different directions. Those of a liberal intellectual persuasion hate it because it is ostentatious, simplistic and cost an obscene amount of money – anything from $300m to $500m – to make. Anti-capitalists hate it because of the obscene amount of money it is already making back at the box office – $1.6bn worldwide, and counting.

The religious right is in a frenzy because it doesn’t respect traditional values. On the Movie Guide website (“A family guide to movies and entertainment”), a reviewer scorns the film’s eco-message: “The problem with life on earth is not Capitalism it is the wickedness of human nature,” it froths. “The cure for this is not found in hugging a tree ... If you want the truth, read the Bible.” In China, the film has been pulled from 2D cinemas (thereby limiting its supply, because there are so few 3D screens in the country) for fear, perhaps, of its potentially subversive message.

As if its political opponents were not enough, the film is under attack from more bizarre antagonists. There are those who are worried about the reported bouts of depression suffered by young people who fall in love with the Na’vi way of life and cannot adapt back to life on earth when they leave the cinema. And then, and this seems positively old-fashioned, there are the little boys and girls who feel sick because of the film’s 3D effects, bless them.

All this bluster is partly hype, but also indicative of the film’s strengths. It presses buttons. It gets under the skin. It irks critics because of the apparent contradiction between its formal majesty and the thinness of its message. But Cameron, self-styled king of the world, the geek who spent his youth sketching Etruscan helmets in his local museum, has shown a consummate understanding of his art form. He has created the mightiest work of art of the new millennium.
 
Scullibundo said:
There are certain works of art that magnificently achieve all that they set out to do; and others, rarer still, that radically change the direction of their very art form. Avatar does both.

....

But back to its lack of profoundness. This is, contrary to negative notices, far from a flaw. If those early Beatles singles of the 1960s, the true flowering of mass culture, taught us anything, it was that art could address simple themes with great simplicity, and still be artful.

Spot. On.

Also:
-12% from last week would be $9.15m for Friday, which would be up 132% from Thursday. Holy shit! :lol
 
Sebulon3k said:
There were signs all over the movie theater not to ask for Avatar IMAX tickets until February 15 assuming the tickets don't continue to sell out.

I Am Cry

If you want to see this movie before Feb. 15, I suggest you find a theater that sells tickets online and see if they have any tickets available. Buy them 24 hrs in advance at least. That's how I got tickets for Avatar in IMAX3D. If you just go to the theater and hope there are still tickets available, you won't get any, because they were already sold out online the day before.
 
Hi GAF! I just got back from my first viewing of Avatar. I would be typing this about 3 hours ago but the 7 PM showing in a theater that seats 500+ was sold out! :lol This is in Oklahoma City.

Saw the 10:35 and it was half full with a line of people waiting to get in 30 mins before the show. I did get a prime seat though and my family and I absolutely loved it.

No, the story is not the most original but the way it is told and the effects were absolutely incredible. I have not been in awe of a movie like that since Return of the King and Avatar transported me back to that day and how I was completely enveloped in the experience in every way. The 3D effects added so much more than any other 3D movie I have seen to date and it is going to be hard to not miss the 3D when I watch it at home.

I was so blown away that my eyes just started watering. My body and mind can only take so much awesome at one time and then it has to come out somewhere. The same thing happened with all 3 LotR movies. That is such a powerful experience when it happens.

I honestly think that I have a new favorite movie just based on how it made me feel as I sat there just trying to soak it all in. A+++
 
Scullibundo said:
Hadn't seen this interview with Cameron and Zoe before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iAah3ViRSw
I love how much comradery there appears to have been on this movie. Zoe and Sam really seemed to love the shit out of being on set in this film.


Yep! Havent seen an interview w/Cameron and Zoe and/or Sam that wasnt gold. Its always nice when the actors in the movie are actually genuinely excited about the process and eachother, rather than just going through the motions. James and Zoe pretty much get their nerd on in every one of these interviews, which is awesome.
 
Avatar is proving to be a really bad influence on some people, I think Cameron should pull the movie right now. The movie has convinced Malaysia's former prime minister that 9/11 was staged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZewcnqiZzc
http://thejakartaglobe.com/home/if-us-could-create-avatar-it-could-fake-911-attacks-mahathir/354031

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

:lol :lol
 
duckroll said:
Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

:lol :lol

If this is true, it is perhaps the best compliment to Avatar's achievements I've heard yet. :lol
 
i_am_ben said:
I feel unique when i saw Avatar (a few weeks ago) there were only 7 or 8 other people in the cinema :lol
Heh. Yeah. When I went for a second viewing, I went to a morning show (3D) and the theater was pretty vacant. All of the other showings were packed. Even the morning shows.
 
duckroll said:
Avatar is proving to be a really bad influence on some people, I think Cameron should pull the movie right now. The movie has convinced Malaysia's former prime minister that 9/11 was staged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZewcnqiZzc
http://thejakartaglobe.com/home/if-us-could-create-avatar-it-could-fake-911-attacks-mahathir/354031

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

:lol :lol
:lol No way

And I've been meaning to ask, what's the most reliable / frequently updated list of the highest grossing films? Or just a list of Avatar's numbers on it's own... I've been checking Wikipedia for the last month for updates but I'm sure there's a more official list.

I just want to be there when it reaches #1 :D
 
Mechanical Snowman said:
:lol No way

And I've been meaning to ask, what's the most reliable / frequently updated list of the highest grossing films? Or just a list of Avatar's numbers on it's own... I've been checking Wikipedia for the last month for updates but I'm sure there's a more official list.

I just want to be there when it reaches #1 :D

I use boxofficemojo. Deadline gets predictions up faster.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
So TDK is going down this weekend, eh. :P
$7.4m to go - tomorrow.

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Edit: better graph.
 
msdstc said:
this is ridiculous... Avatar looked pretty damn good at parts, but it didn't look THAT good.

Coming from Southeast Asia, I can assure you that Mahathir is not a dumb person. He is intelligent, but is getting old. Either his mental ability has declined since retirement, or he is deliberately saying this to stoke the flames of fundamentalist Muslims in Malaysia.
 
hsukardi said:
Coming from Southeast Asia, I can assure you that Mahathir is not a dumb person. He is intelligent, but is getting old. Either his mental ability has declined since retirement, or he is deliberately saying this to stoke the flames of fundamentalist Muslims in Malaysia.

I think he's getting senile AND trying to fan the flames to get more attention. Just yesterday he also added that 9/11 could not have been planned by Arab terrorists because they are disorganized and lack the ability to plan things through because they usually just "strap a bomb to their back and run into a crowd". So yeah. :lol
 
duckroll said:
I think he's getting senile AND trying to fan the flames to get more attention. Just yesterday he also added that 9/11 could not have been planned by Arab terrorists because they are disorganized and lack the ability to plan things through because they usually just "strap a bomb to their back and run into a crowd". So yeah. :lol

You're probably right -- but then again, even active and prominent politicians from that region say the darnest things.
 
Hm... according to this source, the budget was $307 million. Given that it comes from the Economic Development Minister of New Zealand, who helped finance the film with a $45 million tax subsidy, I'd say this is probably the most accurate source we have so far and would, I believe, make it the most expensive movie ever made. Not that that's really relevant for a $2 billion movie.
 
Sharp said:
Hm... according to this source, the budget was $307 million. Given that it comes from the Economic Development Minister of New Zealand, who helped finance the film with a $45 million tax subsidy, I'd say this is probably the most accurate source we have so far and would, I believe, make it the most expensive movie ever made. Not that that's really relevant for a $2 billion movie.

It's hard to say. We have budget numbers for other movies, but who knows if those numbers are anymore, or less, accurate than Avatar's official budget?
 
Sharp said:
Hm... according to this source, the budget was $307 million. Given that it comes from the Economic Development Minister of New Zealand, who helped finance the film with a $45 million tax subsidy, I'd say this is probably the most accurate source we have so far and would, I believe, make it the most expensive movie ever made. Not that that's really relevant for a $2 billion movie.
That's a New Zealand site, reporting in NZD. $307m converts to $218m USD, which is close to the reported production budget ($230m) - close enough that float in the exchange rate is probably the difference.
 
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