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RTX 4060 and RTX 4060 Ti Announced - Coming May 24 for $299
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Wow, finally a worth upgrade for my 1660 super
That slap on the 4070 stockpiling on inventory really moved the needle now, it seems. Congratulations everyone.
That slap on the 4070 stockpiling on inventory really moved the needle now, it seems. Congratulations everyone.
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Bojji
Member
Nope, 4060ti is ~3070 performance and 16GB version is 500$ so 600$ 4070 is better value.
4060ti has more vram but pitiful memory BW that will limit it in resolutions above 1080p (just like 4070 is above 1440p compared o 3080).
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
TrueLegend
Member
8GB vram is not the problem. Most 8gb ram card are playing games at 4k ultra textures easy if the games are even barely optimized. And not all 8gb ram card are meant to played at 4K.
Skifi28
Member
Not now, but I imagine one is upgrading their GPU wanting it to last for years down the line. 8GB is borderline now, they're in for a very bad time in the not so distant future. Much like how many 3GB 1060 owners saw their cards performing worse and worse due to memory while their 6GB brothers keep on trucking even until now. We've all been here before having had the exact same arguments about memory, history is only repeating itself.
Having said that, I can live with the "basic" 4060 having 8GB, but a 4060ti with that memory and bandwidth is just sad.
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nkarafo
Member
They don't need the latest card either then.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
This is barely better than a 3060 and you all think this is a great deal. It would be a good deal if it had the usual performance uplift from last gen, but it's what a 15% uplift. Are you freakin kidding me? You can talk about frame generation all you want, but that doesn't count when you still have the same lag (even more so actually).
Nvidia suckered you... and here I go back to gaming on my 4090!
Nvidia suckered you... and here I go back to gaming on my 4090!
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
If you're thinking about the 16 GB at $499, I'd suggest saving an extra $100 and getting a 4070 as you'd get an even bigger performance boost. 3060 Ti to 4060 Ti is only around 20% extra performance, while 3060 Ti to 4070 would be closer to 50% extra performance.
It's good to have the choice. If you're okay with 8 GB on 4060, I don't see why you think it's an issue on the Ti.
Why not? Imagine someone gaming at 1080p on something like a 1060 or 1660, they'd finally get access to things like ray-tracing and a massive performance uplift along with more VRAM and have the option of frame generation. That's a much improved experience.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
Depends on what cards people are currently rocking and what their budget is
But no don't upgrade for the frame generation only
I know someone still rolling on a 1060 of all cards and he was waiting for the prices of these cards to build some sort of budget gaming PC, curious to find out his thoughts now with those prices.
Skifi28
Member
It's not really a choice though, mostly just a trap for less informed people. Might as well release 6Gb versions of the 4070 and then blame those that bought it when they complain games are unplayable . "Hey, you made the choice to save money, it's your fault".
It's much worse for the 4060ti because it's a mid-range card, not entry level. People going for it will also likely target higher resolutions making those 8GB all the more painful.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Because it's a piece of crap. That thing is slower than the fucking 3060 Ti.
nkarafo
Member
300/400 euros for 1080p gaming you say?
Ray Tracing you say? That demands extra VRAM doesn't it?
I have a 1060 and the only thing the 4060 makes me feel is an urge to switch to consoles.
I had the 6GB model for many years now. I'm not going to pay 300/400 euros+ for a measly 2GB upgrade in 2023.
12GB should be the minimum these days, for the cheapest cards.
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ToTTenTranz
Banned
These cards aren't cheap for the performance they bring. In fact they're already more expensive per-FPS than some street prices of the previous generation.
Further notes:
1 - The RTX 4060 Ti is hardly better than the RTX 3060 Ti. From Nvidia's own cherry-picked tests it's only some 5-10% faster. The only time it gets better is when frame generation gets turned on. In which case FSR3 on a RTX3060 Ti may run very similar to DLSS3 on the 4060 Ti.
2 - The RTX 4060 non-Ti is quite a bit slower than the RTX 3060 Ti. Don't get the 4060 over the 3060 Ti if the price is similar, you're only losing value and longevity.
3 -These cards have 8GB RAM, they're doomed from the start. The only exception goes to the $500 model with 16GB, which performs much worse than the similarly priced RX 6800XT.
Whomever was hoping for RTX 3080 performance for <$500 is up for some disappointment. These cards don't even reach RTX3070 performance numbers.
Further notes:
1 - The RTX 4060 Ti is hardly better than the RTX 3060 Ti. From Nvidia's own cherry-picked tests it's only some 5-10% faster. The only time it gets better is when frame generation gets turned on. In which case FSR3 on a RTX3060 Ti may run very similar to DLSS3 on the 4060 Ti.
2 - The RTX 4060 non-Ti is quite a bit slower than the RTX 3060 Ti. Don't get the 4060 over the 3060 Ti if the price is similar, you're only losing value and longevity.
3 -These cards have 8GB RAM, they're doomed from the start. The only exception goes to the $500 model with 16GB, which performs much worse than the similarly priced RX 6800XT.
Whomever was hoping for RTX 3080 performance for <$500 is up for some disappointment. These cards don't even reach RTX3070 performance numbers.
Hot5pur
Member
No lol.
The 40xx is hot garbage value wise if you already have a 30xx gpu.
That's the intent though, because they want to move 30xx leftover stock.
LostDonkey
Member
Might finally upgrade my 1070.
6700k worries me though.
6700k worries me though.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Fixed that for you.
VAVA Mk2
Member
LOL my bad. I guess I am too optimistic.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Umm...yeah
kvltus lvlzvs
Member
Do any of you all think nvidia will ever release a 16gb vram 4070?
Corporal.Hicks
Member
554 GB/s effective memory bandwidth? And people thought 4060ti will be BW limited.
Midn1ght
Member
Thanks for that!
The 4070 is tempting but I literally had someone offering me 280 for my 3060 Ti yesterday, getting a 20% increase + access to Frame Generation for an extra 220 is tempting but I'll probably pass.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Yes, 4060-series seems to be designed for 1080p.
I had an 8 GB 3070 for nearly two years and I tried out numerous games with RT and they all ran fine, and I was playing at 1440p (with DLSS Quality). 8 GB is probably fine for 98% of RT titles out today at 1080p.
Someone with a 1060 can run 0% of those games at acceptable frame-rates.
1060 is a 7 year old card...
I had one at launch, great 1080p card for it's time. Whenever I'm not happy with a certain class of GPU I move up a tier. I went from 1060 to 2070 (in 2018). And since I care about performance I upgraded several more times since.
I'd never switch to a console. I do have a PS5 though, but it's a secondary gaming machine. I'll always be PC first since the PC is a better platform for me personally.
It will be even more funny to see the 3060 12 GB beat the brand new RX 7600
No, because of the 192-bit bus.
winjer
Gold Member
That is a bullshit number for PR. Reality is more complicated.
The reality is that a 32MB cache like that should have a 50% hit rate, at 1080p. Which supposedly can reduce bandwidth traffic by a significant margin. By the slides NVidia provided, it should do it by around 40-50%.
But the problem is that at higher resolutions, cache hit rate is reduced. So at 1440p, the hit rate should be around 40%. And at 4K, is should be around 25%.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Right on! We really needed to have some decent affordable cards this gen. Even if they're VRAM limited and not suitable for 4K. There's just a huge, hungry market for a $300 GPU with modern features right now.
I just built a new system with a 4070Ti, so this is not for me, but it keeps the dream of the $1000 gaming PC alive a little longer and I am all for it.
I just built a new system with a 4070Ti, so this is not for me, but it keeps the dream of the $1000 gaming PC alive a little longer and I am all for it.
Bojji
Member
You will get better performance in VRAM limited games and thanks to DLSS 3 in games that support it. Otherwise it's just slight upgrade.
554 GB/s effective memory bandwidth? And people thought 4060ti will be BW limited.
It's bullshit/magic PR number. 4070 vs 3080 shows that with higher resolutions L2 cache can't help that much when memory BW is much lower. Same will happen with this GPUs vs 3060ti/3070/3070ti.
The Cockatrice
Member
Hardware dumbasses will tell you yes. In reality, that card's 16GB ram is fucking useless marketing gimmick for those hardware dumbasses.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
To be fair I would expect MUCH BIGGER difference. The RTX 3080 (12GB version) has 384-bit bus and a whopping 914 GB/s of memory BW, however the RTX4070 is not that far off, with only a 192-bit bus and 504 GB/s
Bulletbrain
Member
These prices are meaningless without 3rd party reviews and benchmarks that will quantify the exact performance.
I'm hoping to finally upgrade my 1660 ti which I bought 4 years ago. Currently the best option seems to be the discounted RX 6800. The 4060 ti 16gb Vs Rx 6800 will be an interesting one I feel at the 500usd mark. Not to mention the possible Rx 7700 xt which should be revealed in the next few months.
I'm hoping to finally upgrade my 1660 ti which I bought 4 years ago. Currently the best option seems to be the discounted RX 6800. The 4060 ti 16gb Vs Rx 6800 will be an interesting one I feel at the 500usd mark. Not to mention the possible Rx 7700 xt which should be revealed in the next few months.
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Bojji
Member
Yeah, L2 is doing good work without it card would be massacred. But what people are saying is that there will be settings that will make 3060ti faster than 4060ti, just by having higher memory bandwidth. Just like 4070 is about on par with 3080 in 1440 but loses by few % in 4k.
Andrenicks
Neo Member
I hate Nvidia's new course but finally a card within 120w with the performance I need, I really think the 4060 will fit in my case unless Amd churns out something better in the same power consumption range.
Bojji
Member
Uh
It's not useless at all
But this only applies to 8gb, 12gb cards are fine for now.
It's not useless at all
But this only applies to 8gb, 12gb cards are fine for now.
The Cockatrice
Member
Lmao I wont even bother explaining, but heres a small tip, it's not the VRAM that is the issue.
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Bojji
Member
Lol, you literally have comparison between 3070 and 16gb version of it and it performs shit tons better in some games. 8gb cards are fucking dead.
The Cockatrice
Member
Hardware threads on gaf. Why do I even bother. Might as well tape 16GB to a worm and gaf will still love it.
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XesqueVara
Member
Sadly they downgraded the Chip of xx60, now it's using 107 instead of 106.
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