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[Leonidas]

So is this good or bad lol

I see some people at each others throats over 8GB Ram.

Pricing wise it's better than most expected.

I'd be okay with this if I had a $299/$399 budget for a GPU and was gaming at 1080p. I used a 3070 (also 8 GB) for nearly two years at 1440p and never ran into VRAM issues.

The number 1 Steam card is a 4 GB card. This doubles it. This is a great upgrade for the 1650, the most popular card on Steam.

RTX 4060 is faster than 10 out of 12 of the top ten Steam GPUs.
RTX 4060 Ti would be the fastest card on this list.
RTX 4060/Ti is a VRAM improvement over 8/12 of the top ten Steam GPUs.
RTX 4060/Ti has 4x the VRAM of the lowest VRAM card on this list.

 

[Tarin02543]

I’ll stick with my 12gb 3060.

 

[Black_Stride]

554 GB/s effective memory bandwidth? And people thought 4060ti will be BW limited.

Effective bandwidth basically bullshit PR.
Unless you are playing at 1080p and NOT streaming in content that ~300GB/s is going to fuck you up sooner rather than later.
True bandwidth is the answer.
Even AMD after their infinity cache dance ended up giving the 7900XT(X) true bandwidth cuz they knew they/we would need it.
L2 cache is relevant but this effective bandwidth bullshit is misleading.

 

[Black_Stride]

Pricing wise it's better than most expected.

I'd be okay with this if I had a $299/$399 budget for a GPU and was gaming at 1080p. I used a 3070 (also 8 GB) for nearly two years at 1440p and never ran into VRAM issues.

The number 1 Steam card is a 4 GB card. This doubles it. This is a great upgrade for the 1650, the most popular card on Steam.

RTX 4060 is faster than 10 out of 12 of the top ten Steam GPUs.
RTX 4060 Ti would be the fastest card on this list.
RTX 4060/Ti is a VRAM improvement over 8/12 of the top ten Steam GPUs.
RTX 4060/Ti has 4x the VRAM of the lowest VRAM card on this list.

You think the 4060Ti will outdo the 3070?

 

[Soodanim]

Friendly reminder that Lisa Su (CEO of AMD)'s grandfather is Jensen Huang (CEO of NVIDIA)'s uncle.

Fact-Check: Is NVIDIA CEO an 'Uncle' of AMD's CEO Dr. Lisa Su?

As the Radeon RX 6800 XT goes head-to-head with GeForce RTX 3080, it's hard to believe that the leaders of these 2 companies are actually related!

www.techtimes.com

That's news to me, too. Very interesting. It sounds more removed than it is when laid out like that, they're just 1st cousins once removed.

 

[The Cockatrice]

You're trying to spread the bullshit that slower GPUs can't make use of more RAM, which is completely at odds with modern rendering.

If you give modern games more ram overhead they will use it.

Yeah, in your dreams maybe.

 

[Joramun]

So is this good or bad lol

I see some people at each others throats over 8GB Ram.

BAD. They're selling you a "new" card that will die off pretty soon with its very limited specs.

 

[lukilladog]

 

[supernova8]

554 GB/s effective memory bandwidth? And people thought 4060ti will be BW limited.

The specs aren't even flattering. Going from 7 TF to 16 TF with the 3060 Ti and then only going to 22 TF with the 4060 Ti seems like er... a bit shit.

 

[winjer]

Of course this card is shit. It's basically a 4050 rebranded to a 4060.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Pricing wise it's better than most expected.

I'd be okay with this if I had a $299/$399 budget for a GPU and was gaming at 1080p. I used a 3070 (also 8 GB) for nearly two years at 1440p and never ran into VRAM issues.

The number 1 Steam card is a 4 GB card. This doubles it. This is a great upgrade for the 1650, the most popular card on Steam.

RTX 4060 is faster than 10 out of 12 of the top ten Steam GPUs.
RTX 4060 Ti would be the fastest card on this list.
RTX 4060/Ti is a VRAM improvement over 8/12 of the top ten Steam GPUs.
RTX 4060/Ti has 4x the VRAM of the lowest VRAM card on this list.

The most played games on Steam don't require a high end gaming PC.

(I have a 3060 which I'm happy with because I mostly play Japanese games and old titles. I'm currently playing Atelier Meruru which is a port of a PS3 game).

 

[Leonidas]

You think the 4060Ti will outdo the 3070?

I could see them being about the same (at 1080p). But the 4060 Ti has frame-generation and 3070 doesn't so I would give the edge to 4060 Ti if it ends up trading blows with 3070 (at 1080p).

The most played games on Steam don't require a high end gaming PC.

True, but the 4060/Ti still represents a great option if those people do decide to upgrade, and the 4060/Ti is most likely to become the highest 40-series card on this list...

 

[Bojji]

I could see them being about the same. But the 4060 Ti has frame-generation and 3070 doesn't so I would give the edge to 4060 Ti if it ends up trading blows with 3070.


True, but the 4060/Ti still represents a great option if those people do decide to upgrade, and the 4060/Ti is most likely to become the highest 40-series card on this list...

16GB version of 4060ti is much better than 3070, it may lose in some bandwidth heavy scenarios but Vram will save it in many more games. 8gb is shit... It won't be able to even do frame gen in many games thanks to shit Vram amount.

I'm not impressed with dlss3, I tested it in most games that have this feature and i can see image quality issues in most of them. Input lag is also noticable compared to dlss2 and reflex (one of the best Nvidia features).

 

[emmerrei]

299$ in Europe will become 449€. I still play the few games i do on a 1070ti, the 3060 was much or less the same performance, this one i have to see if it's worth

 

[Denton]

299$ in Europe will become 449€.

4060 recommended price in Czechland is 330€.
It is just 299$ + VAT.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I'll repeat this again, this is a step in the right direction.

I have a 4090 and I can understand why some think the high end is expensive because they're right. But I think nvidia needs to balance things out because the sales don't lie and if they want to keep growth and market dominance they need to come back down to earth. This is better.

 

[Bojji]

Yeah, in your dreams maybe.

With more than 8GB 3070TI (600$ MSRP) wouldn't have this many problems:



You call everyone morons but you can't handle simple truth: 8GB of RAM should be reserved for low end cards and it's not enough for modern games.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

The specs aren't even flattering. Going from 7 TF to 16 TF with the 3060 Ti and then only going to 22 TF with the 4060 Ti seems like er... a bit shit.

Keep in mind that ampere flops werent nearly as fast as turing, so 3060ti wasnt 2x faster compared to 2060S as numbers (flops) suggest, but only 30-35%.

 

[tusharngf]

RTX 460 = $299
RTX 460 TI (8 GB) = $399
RTX 460 TI (16 GB) = $499

RTX 460 TI (16 GB) is the only card that's somewhat future proof of course.

What is this apple like pricing? Lol

 

[El Muerto]

Waiting to see real world performance. At these prices the RX 6700xt looks to be a better buy at $359.

 

[CrustyBritches]

4060 Ti 3DMark performance leaked via VideoCardz:

4060 Ti Graphics Score:
Time Spy(DX12, 1440p) = 13395
Time Spy Extreme(DX12, 4K) = 6287
Speed Way = 3176
Fire Strike(DX11, 1080p) = 33596
Fire Strike Extreme(DX11, 1440p) = 15873
Fire Strike Ultra(DX11, 4K) = 7357

3060 Ti Graphics Score:
Time Spy(DX12, 1440p) = 11723
Time Spy Extreme(DX12, 4K) = 5722
Speed Way = 2950
Fire Strike(DX11, 1080p) = 29504
Fire Strike Extreme(DX11, 1440p) = 14377
Fire Strike Ultra(DX11, 4K) = 7239

3070 FE Graphics Score:
Time Spy(DX12, 1440p) = 13714
Time Spy Extreme(DX12, 4K) = 6807
Speed Way = 3505 *Gigabyte Gaming
Fire Strike(DX11, 1080p) = 32896
Fire Strike Extreme(DX11, 1440p) = 16683
Fire Strike Ultra(DX11, 4K) = 8543

 

[Bojji]

4060 Ti 3DMark performance leaked via VideoCardz:

4060 Ti Graphics Score:
Time Spy(DX12, 1440p) = 13395
Time Spy Extreme(DX12, 4K) = 6287
Speed Way = 3176
Fire Strike(DX11, 1080p) = 33596
Fire Strike Extreme(DX11, 1440p) = 15873
Fire Strike Ultra(DX11, 4K) = 7357

3060 Ti Graphics Score:
Time Spy(DX12, 1440p) = 11723
Time Spy Extreme(DX12, 4K) = 5722
Speed Way = 2950
Fire Strike(DX11, 1080p) = 29504
Fire Strike Extreme(DX11, 1440p) = 14377
Fire Strike Ultra(DX11, 4K) = 7239

3070 FE Graphics Score:
Time Spy(DX12, 1440p) = 13714
Time Spy Extreme(DX12, 4K) = 6807
Speed Way = 3505 *Gigabyte Gaming
Fire Strike(DX11, 1080p) = 32896
Fire Strike Extreme(DX11, 1440p) = 16683
Fire Strike Ultra(DX11, 4K) = 8543

With resolution increases difference between 3060ti and 4060ti shrinks.

 

[nkarafo]

The number 1 Steam card is a 4 GB card. This doubles it. This is a great upgrade for the 1650, the most popular card on Steam.

An upgrade for the 1650 should be the next "50" card. A 1650 owner paid less than 150$ for his card. Of course any 300/400/500$ card will be a "great upgrade"

The 4060 should be an upgrade over older "60" cards. But compared to the previous 3060 it's hardly an upgrade and the 16GB version is expensive enough to be considered a higher tier card price wise. At 500$ you should be able to get a "70" tier card.

Generational upgrades on the same tier should have been enough is what i'm saying. A next generation "60" card needs to be a reasonable upgrade over the previous card of the same tier. When i upgraded from the 960 to the 1060, i got almost 100% increased performance and 3x the VRAM amount. And i only had to pay 50$ more then my previous one. That was a single generation jump. And now, 3 full generations later, i have to pay 200$ more to get the same jump.

 

[CrustyBritches]

With resolution increases difference between 3060ti and 4060ti shrinks.

Some other observations worth noting:
-The 3060 Ti beat the 2080 Super in 5/5 Time Spy and Fire Strike tests.
-The 4060 Ti loses to the 3070 in 4/5 Time Spy and Fire Strike tests, only winning the DX11 1080p test.
-For 4070 vs 3080, Time Spy graphics score at 1440p is equal to the relative performance of the cards at 1440p across 25 games according to TechPowerUp.
-GTX 1060 and RTX 2060 were as powerful as the previous gen's xx80 card. 3060 was as powerful as the 2070. Now 4060 Ti is less powerful than the 3070.
-Historically, the 4060 Ti isn't even good enough to be considered a xx60 card.

 

[KungFucius]

The xx60 on Pascal and Turing was as powerful as the xx80 card from the previous gen. When we got to Ampere, the 3060 was only as powerful as the 2070. The leaked Geekbench 5 CUDA score for the 4060 Ti is 146170. The 3060 Ti scores 130000-140000. 3070 is ~150000. Obviously we'll have to wait for reviews, but in this test the 4060 Ti isn't even hitting 3070 level, let alone the 4060.

If that ends up being reflected in benchmarks, then we went from xx60 being as powerful as the xx80 from the previous gen, to the xx60 being less powerful than xx70, and possibly even the xx60 Ti from the previous gen. Don't be fooled by the naming convention and price point, this is a 4050 renamed to a 4060.

This isn't even getting into the whole VRAM deal. The 8GB 4060 Ti is a definite no-go. If you're cool with med-high settings and want a new card with warranty, then the 4060 might be a consideration. My take is that this is more trash from Nvidia.

This kind of makes sense as a strategy. How much improvement can we expect when the top cards can do 4k 120 FPS? They can add more RT and keep it worth it to upgrade at the high end for a few gens but that is about it. At the lower ends they want to bake in an incentive to go to the next class of GPU so they are going to have very marginal improvements. It's not like the 1060 owners jumped to 2060 and 3060. They buy their GPUs and keep them for years. This is not an upgrade for the 3060 but simply a replacement with very small feature improvements.

It sucks because Nvidia is the market leader and by the standards they defined in being the leader, this gen has been a poor upgrade in performance and price across the board with the exception of the 4090. The only reason the 4090 is not as bad is because the 3090 was a relatively poor deal compared to the 3080. Poor sales will be shrugged off and they will do the same thing next gen.

 

[CrustyBritches]

This kind of makes sense as a strategy. How much improvement can we expect when the top cards can do 4k 120 FPS? They can add more RT and keep it worth it to upgrade at the high end for a few gens but that is about it. At the lower ends they want to bake in an incentive to go to the next class of GPU so they are going to have very marginal improvements. It's not like the 1060 owners jumped to 2060 and 3060. They buy their GPUs and keep them for years. This is not an upgrade for the 3060 but simply a replacement with very small feature improvements.

It sucks because Nvidia is the market leader and by the standards they defined in being the leader, this gen has been a poor upgrade in performance and price across the board with the exception of the 4090. The only reason the 4090 is not as bad is because the 3090 was a relatively poor deal compared to the 3080. Poor sales will be shrugged off and they will do the same thing next gen.

Their strategy has been to rename and price the cards 2 tiers up. So now the xx60 successor to the $329 3060 12GB is sold as the $599 4070 12GB. The xx50 successor to the $249 3050 8GB is sold as the $400 4060 Ti 8GB. It's a really scummy move by Nvidia.

 

[Senua]

Some other observations worth noting:
-The 3060 Ti beat the 2080 Super in 5/5 Time Spy and Fire Strike tests.
-The 4060 Ti loses to the 3070 in 4/5 Time Spy and Fire Strike tests, only winning the DX11 1080p test.
-For 4070 vs 3080, Time Spy graphics score at 1440p is equal to the relative performance of the cards at 1440p across 25 games according to TechPowerUp.
-GTX 1060 and RTX 2060 were as powerful as the previous gen's xx80 card. 3060 was as powerful as the 2070. Now 4060 Ti is less powerful than the 3070.
-Historically, the 4060 Ti isn't even good enough to be considered a xx60 card.

And yet we have people here celebrating it because it's not expensive! guys, it's not a real 4060 ti card. nvidia are playing you like a fiddle! a fiddle i say!

 

[CrustyBritches]

And yet we have people here celebrating it because it's not expensive! guys, it's not a real 4060 ti card. nvidia are playing you like a fiddle! a fiddle i say!

The crypto craze really fucked gamers over. Now Nvidia has decided to do the scalping themselves and they’re doing it with sneaky naming conventions in addition to increased prices. It’s hard to blame someone for being glad that something is finally in their price range. It’s almost a no-win situation.

 

[blakdecaf]

PC nerds: Is the 16gig ti worth jumping on to replace my 1660ti or is there something else I should look at?

Aiming for solid 1080p/1440p and to be able to play stuff like cities skylines with mods without it dropping to 10fps.

I'm on a Ryzen 7 3800X / 32gb ram.

 

[Xyphie]

PC nerds: Is the 16gig ti worth jumping on to replace my 1660ti or is there something else I should look at?

Aiming for solid 1080p/1440p and to be able to play stuff like cities skylines with mods without it dropping to 10fps.

I'm on a Ryzen 7 3800X / 32gb ram.

If you're considering the 4060 Ti 16GB you should just save $100 extra and buy a RTX 4070 instead, the card is pretty pointless at $499 when a $599 RTX 4070 is so much faster.

 

[Gen.Grievous]

PC nerds: Is the 16gig ti worth jumping on to replace my 1660ti or is there something else I should look at?

Aiming for solid 1080p/1440p and to be able to play stuff like cities skylines with mods without it dropping to 10fps.

I'm on a Ryzen 7 3800X / 32gb ram.

If you're considering the 4060 Ti 16GB you should just save $100 extra and buy a RTX 4070 instead, the card is pretty pointless at $499 when a $599 RTX 4070 is so much faster.

Also the 4070 has deals often bringing it even closer to the 4060 Ti 16GB. The latter will probably get deals as well but it will take a few months of not selling. Don't worry about the VRAM difference. 12GB of the 4070 is plenty for 1440p.

 

[blakdecaf]

If you're considering the 4060 Ti 16GB you should just save $100 extra and buy a RTX 4070 instead, the card is pretty pointless at $499 when a $599 RTX 4070 is so much faster.

Also the 4070 has deals often bringing it even closer to the 4060 Ti 16GB. The latter will probably get deals as well but it will take a few months of not selling. Don't worry about the VRAM difference. 12GB of the 4070 is plenty for 1440p.

Thanks! will look at the 70.

 

[Bojji]

Thanks! will look at the 70.

Yep.

But this CPU could be also limiting you in games like city skylines, you should think about changing it to at least 5600 (5800x3d is the best your motherboard can support).

 

[Leonidas]

-GTX 1060 and RTX 2060 were as powerful as the previous gen's xx80 card. 3060 was as powerful as the 2070. Now 4060 Ti is less powerful than the 3070.
-Historically, the 4060 Ti isn't even good enough to be considered a xx60 card.

GTX 980 and 1080 used the mid-range X04 GPU. It was easy for the 1060 and 2060 to match it. RTX 3080 used the big X02 GPU, there was no chance for the 4060 Ti to match it. The X06 GPU (typically used in the x60) historically matches the previous gen X04 GPU (typically an x80 class GPU, but last gen it was the 3070...)

4060 Ti should end up matching 3070 at it's intended resolution of 1080p.

The last time Nvidia released the big GPU as a x80 class (GTX 780) the next x60 GPU also lost (GTX 960).
This generation is similar to that.

 

[Bojji]

GTX 980 and 1080 used the mid-range X04 GPU. It was easy for the 1060 and 2060 to match it. RTX 3080 used the big X02 GPU, there was no chance for the 4060 Ti to match it. The X06 GPU (typically used in the x60) historically matches the previous gen X04 GPU (typically an x80 class GPU, but last gen it was the 3070...)

4060 Ti should end up matching 3070 at it's intended resolution of 1080p.

The last time Nvidia released the big GPU as a x80 class (GTX 780) the next x60 GPU also lost (GTX 960).
This generation is similar to that.

That's correct, everyone (including me) focuses on retail names of GPUs but forget chip naming.

But reality is nvidia sets prices way too high for small chips they are selling.

 

[Leonidas]

But reality is nvidia sets prices way too high for small chips they are selling.

AMD sets prices way too high. As a result AMD cards are discounted more heavily than Nvidia.

 

[OverHeat]

For gaming at that price with those performance buy a console…

 

[Senua]

AMD sets prices way too high. As a result AMD cards are discounted more heavily than Nvidia.

Both are shite, though yes AMD has shit the bed so far this gen.

 

[Leonidas]

Their strategy has been to rename and price the cards 2 tiers up. So now the xx60 successor to the $329 3060 12GB is sold as the $599 4070 12GB. The xx50 successor to the $249 3050 8GB is sold as the $400 4060 Ti 8GB. It's a really scummy move by Nvidia.

If that were the case, wouldn't it be easy for AMD to compete? Why haven't they? Why is AMD also only doing the same 10-20% increases as Nvidia at the low end?

Both are shite, though yes AMD has shit the bed so far this gen.

AMD is worse, since their cards are discounted quicker and by bigger amounts, a clear sign that most AMD cards are overpriced. AMD will probably have trouble competing with their last gen discounted cards... AMD already has the market saturated with $199-$329 last gen GPUs that will have similar price/performance as their 7000 series low end.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Pricing wise it's better than most expected.

You and Nvidia's PR team are literally the only people in the world who believe this.
Assuming you're not one and the same.

Effective bandwidth basically bullshit PR.

It is and it isn't.
Cache hit rates apparently depend a lot on the target resolution. AMD provided this study back in the RDNA2 days, but they claim their hitrate-per-MB increased for RDNA3.

The way you calculate effective bandwidth is cache bandwidth * hitrate percentage + VRAM bandwidth * (100% - hitrate percentage).

The problem with Nvidia's marketing is how they're probably calculating cache hit rates on the 4060 and 4060Ti for 1080p at best, whereas their predecessors were mostly 1440p cards.
While the 4060 Ti's effective bandwidth may indeed be 588GB/s at 1080p, after you switch to 1440p it will be a whole lot lower than that.

In the case of using 32MB cache, it gets ~55% hit rates at 1080p, but only~33% hit rates at 1440p.

 

[CrustyBritches]

GTX 980 and 1080 used the mid-range X04 GPU. It was easy for the 1060 and 2060 to match it. RTX 3080 used the big X02 GPU, there was no chance for the 4060 Ti to match it. The X06 GPU (typically used in the x60) historically matches the previous gen X04 GPU (typically an x80 class GPU, but last gen it was the 3070...)

4060 Ti should end up matching 3070 at it's intended resolution of 1080p.

The last time Nvidia released the big GPU as a x80 class (GTX 780) the next x60 GPU also lost (GTX 960).
This generation is similar to that.

Except this is the 4060 Ti, not the 4060, losing to the 3070. The 4060 will be even lower in performance. Probably lower than 3060 Ti performance even at 1080p. With both the 4060 Ti and 4060, the higher the resolution goes, the worse they perform relative to the 3070 and 3060 Ti. As shown in leaked benchmarks, the only 3DMark win the 4060 Ti had versus 3070 was in DX11 1080p, so 1080p is the best-case scenario for these cards.

According to Nvidia's own hand-picked performance comparisons 4060 loses to 3060 Ti in 6 out of 7 games.

SOURCE:

 

[Leonidas]

Except this is the 4060 Ti, not the 4060, losing to the 3070. The 4060 will be even lower in performance. Probably lower than 3060 Ti performance even at 1080p.

Naming means nothing to me and it shouldn't to you either (that can change every generation on a per chip basis), only price/performance matters. Nvidia improves price/performance at each price point on the low end by 10-20%.

4060 Ti will be close to 3070 at 1080p. 4060 will be close to 3060 Ti while both improve performance per dollar. 3060 Ti today still goes for close to it's MSRP of $400. 4060 is $100 cheaper while offering close to it's performance. It's a price/performance increase.

The problem with AMD is that it looks like they will go backwards on performance per dollar compared to current market value. They already have cards on the market selling at -30% MSRP, meaning for 7600 to match price/performance of the $199 6600 (current going price) it needs to be $260 just to match that card in price/performance. 0% gen/gen gains in the actual market price. It would have to come in at less than $260 to be better price/performance than the 6600, but it seems like the chances of this happening are slim.

Nvidia low end cards from last gen remained near MSRP so that there will actually be a price/performance increase on Nvidia cards.

 

[lukilladog]

 

[CrustyBritches]

Naming means nothing to me and it shouldn't to you either (that can change every generation on a per chip basis), only price/performance matters. Nvidia improves price/performance at each price point on the low end by 10-20%.

4060 Ti will trade blows with 3070 at 1080p. 4060 will be close to 3060 Ti while improving performance per dollar. 3060 Ti today still goes for close to it's MSRP of $400. 4060 is $100 cheaper while offering close to it's performance. It's a price/performance increase.

That's not how generational leaps traditionally occur. The $399 3060 Ti gave you superior performance to the $699 2080 Super. Whereas the $399 4060 Ti gives you inferior performance to the $499 3070. Same with the 1060 and 2060 that gave you performance of previous gen cards $250 more expensive. Whereas the 4060 gives you inferior performance to a previous gen card that's $100 more expensive. Nvidia is increasingly pocketing the generational gains.

You can be impressed by the 4060 losing to the 3060 Ti in 6/7 games at 1080p, but that's a poor generational leap. Even worse than the shitty 3060.

 

[FireFly]

The problem with AMD is that it looks like they will go backwards on performance per dollar compared to current market value. They already have cards on the market selling at -30% MSRP, meaning for 7600 to match price/performance of the $199 6600 (current going price) it needs to be $260 just to match that card in price/performance. 0% gen/gen gains in the actual market price. It would have to come in at less than $260 to be better price/performance than the 6600, but it seems like the chances of this happening are slim.

Nvidia low end cards from last gen remained near MSRP so that there will actually be a price/performance increase on Nvidia cards.

There is no magic force stopping 7600 prices from dropping. Navi 33 is 14% smaller than Navi 32 and has the same 128-bit bus with the same 8 GB of memory, so the BOM should be similar.

I also find it funny how performance/$ improvements apparently didn't matter for the 4070, but now suddenly do matter for the 4060.

 

[Leonidas]

That's not how generational leaps traditionally occur. The $399 3060 Ti gave you superior performance to the $699 2080 Super. Whereas the $399 4060 Ti gives you inferior performance to the $499 3070. Same with the 1060 and 2060 that gave you performance of previous gen cards $250 more expensive. Whereas the 4060 gives you inferior performance to a previous gen card that's $100 more expensive. Nvidia is increasingly pocketing the generational gains.

You can be impressed by the 4060 losing to the 3060 Ti in 6/7 games at 1080p, but that's a poor generational leap. Even worse than the shitty 3060.

I'm not impressed with the 4060 or 4060 Ti, but it is increasing performance per dollar compared to last gen Nvidia cards. The same probably can't be said for AMD's low to mid-range over AMD's 30% discounted last gen cards.

4060 series is a good generational leap in today's market if you consider inflation. Cost per transistor has increased. At least Nvidia increased value over their last gen cards...

RX 7600 launches in 2-3 days and AMD still doesn't want to give us the price... with no known date for anything between 7600 and 7900 XT.

Nvidia improved price/performance at every price point this generation.

There is no magic force stopping 7600 prices from dropping.

7600 will drop in price shortly after launch if AMD gets greedy with the MSRP again. Why doesn't AMD launch it at $200-$230 so that it can have a decent price/performance gain over the $199-$209 6600 that you can pick up today and get great reviews? Instead AMD will probably choose to launch it at $280-$300, get panned, and then the market will force the price to drop as it has done with the overpriced 7900 XT, overpriced Zen4 and all the low end last gen 30% discounted RDNA2 cards.

I also find it funny how performance/$ improvements apparently didn't matter for the 4070, but now suddenly do matter for the 4060.

Performance/$ improvement did matter for me for the 4070. I give Nvidia some slack over the $100 gen/gen price increase because of inflation and they increased VRAM by 50%.

The 4070 beats the mythical $699 3080 in terms of perf/$, and the 4070 is a better GPU overall since it has 12 vs. 10 GB of VRAM, is way more efficient, and has frame-generation.

Nvidia improved price/performance at every price point this generation. The only GPU company to do so.

 

[lethial]

Still rocking a 1080. I haven't seen a point to upgrade as I don't play in 4k but those prices aren't too offensive. Everything else in the pc is new but the video card.

 

[SF Kosmo]

You think the 4060Ti will outdo the 3070?

It should narrowly beat it in pure raster, and have a more significant edge in RT.

I think 4060 seems like the best card you're gonna get for the money, and easily good enough for any current gen gaming. The VRAM limit is gonna be an issue in certain titles, they should have gone with 12GB, but other than that, it seems solid.

Nvidia improved price/performance at every price point this generation.

They did, but the price points they targetted don't feel like they're based in the realities of the market. These 4060 cards are the first they've announced that people might actually buy because the price makes sense.

We went from $700 flagships to $1600 flagships in just a few gens, and it's not hard to see why people are a little taken aback.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Anyone buying these cards (or any Nvidia GPU after the 1080ti is getting fleeced.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

I'm not impressed with the 4060 or 4060 Ti, but it is increasing performance per dollar compared to last gen Nvidia cards. The same probably can't be said for AMD's low to mid-range over AMD's 30% discounted last gen cards.

4060 series is a good generational leap in today's market if you consider inflation. Cost per transistor has increased. At least Nvidia increased value over their last gen cards...

RX 7600 launches in 2-3 days and AMD still doesn't want to give us the price... with no known date for anything between 7600 and 7900 XT.

Nvidia improved price/performance at every price point this generation.


7600 will drop in price shortly after launch if AMD gets greedy with the MSRP again. Why doesn't AMD launch it at $200-$230 so that it can have a decent price/performance gain over the $199-$209 6600 that you can pick up today and get great reviews? Instead AMD will probably choose to launch it at $280-$300, get panned, and then the market will force the price to drop as it has done with the overpriced 7900 XT, overpriced Zen4 and all the low end last gen 30% discounted RDNA2 cards.

Performance/$ improvement did matter for me for the 4070. I give Nvidia some slack over the $100 gen/gen price increase because of inflation and they increased VRAM by 50%.

The 4070 beats the mythical $699 3080 in terms of perf/$, and the 4070 is a better GPU overall since it has 12 vs. 10 GB of VRAM, is way more efficient, and has frame-generation.

Nvidia improved price/performance at every price point this generation. The only GPU company to do so.

I like reading your comments because it puts things into a different perspective than what I generally see elsewhere.